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i love how all of you completely ignored this post...

Thatd be fine if you prefer PC gaming... but if you like gaming in general, and want the best, for the money the 360 is a better way to go...eventually it would be wise to get a PC in say a year that is a good value that would be better than the 360.

I really hate sony for what they are trying to do to gamers this round. They are forcefully shoving blue-ray down our throats and charging a huge premium for it too. They spent all of their time developing Cell and basically slapped on a 7900gt into the mix because it was what Nvidia would have available at the time. Then they copied nintendo's controller at the last minute, rehashed the DS controller which is simply an extension of the SNES controller. They gave MS shit about 2 SKU's and then they go out and do it them selves. Now they are gonna charge a huge price for the game sequals we are getting tired of. I already have a 360 and plan on getting a Wii along side of it, both for the csot of a single PS3.

Totally true and you all have valid points about it being not in the nature of consoles to have two versions in the first place, and certainly not in the nature of consoles to lack the ability to all be equal.

This is a PC forum, and you're all complaining about having to 8O pay extra for more features.

I accept that it's really not cool that they're choosing ^^ that as one of the features borrowed from a PC, but the console market has used the same "Console.....Newer Console.....Newer Console" structure for over a decade.

I think it's a healthy evolution of their business that they're introducing different tiers of their Consoles. If in 5 years it turns out that nobody bought one of the versions of 360 or PS3 and they sold 99% the cheaper model and 1% more expensive one (or the other way round), I'm sure they'll abandon the idea and try to innovate in a different way.

ok then... so it looks like the 360 is the right choice for me, and i may get a new computer in a year or so.

If your budget is that limited, I would suggest the XBox 360... they contain a hell of a lot of hardware for $399 (probably still being sold at a loss) and no $399 PC can compete with it. Sure, you give up the keyboard and mouse, but you gain one hell of a video subsystem.

I agree with a previous poster... going to an 2800+ processor isn't a large enough upgrade to warrant the expense... aim a little higher or settle for the XBox 360.

If your budget is that limited, I would suggest the XBox 360... they contain a hell of a lot of hardware for $399 (probably still being sold at a loss) and no $399 PC can compete with it. Sure, you give up the keyboard and mouse, but you gain one hell of a video subsystem.

I agree with a previous poster... going to an 2800+ processor isn't a large enough upgrade to warrant the expense... aim a little higher or settle for the XBox 360.

You might be interested in this and you could have the best of both worlds

Cellocity - basicly (for how I understand it) if you have anything that resembles a pc with
256 MB of ram.
10 GB of hard drive space.
A 32 bit 64 bit or Cell CPU.
A DVD drive.
you can have a windows-linux-OSX pc even if it is a ps3 or an xbox 360 normaly, I dont know about the rest of you but If I can get a fully functioning pc out of a 360, it just became worth the money to buy it

this is a link to cellocity features page its not much but its what they put up
http://www.cellocity.net/dnn/Featu [...] fault.aspx

Well, For that amount of money, I'd note that your PC would fall seriously behind the capabilities of the Xbox 360, so unless you have significant reasons for gaming on the PC, go for the console.

However, I'd caution you to examine the other console contenders before making your choice; it looks as this round of "the console wars" will wind up being more open, and perhaps a lot closer, than the last round.

Also know that technically, a console will be fine playing any games released within its lifespan, but on the other side of that coin, if it's also availible on PC, it will work on an equally-old system, just at lower settings; with what will then be a modern system, you'd be able to SURPASS the settings found on the console.

However, looking more in-depth into your setup, let me give a few more details:[*:fc51af5ace]The AXP 2800+ and 6600GT, contrary to what some might believe, is actually not ALL that far from an Xbox 360. However, it is still significantly less, perhaps a little better than half as good. Also, for those with an SDTV, that sort of system would actually produce similar results to an Xbox 360.
[*:fc51af5ace]You've got a 50" HDTV? What are you using it for? With an HDTV, you've got the other necessary component to actually make the Xbox 360 or other console a viable good-looking platform.

we must not forget that consoles do not need to run windows, which itself consumes a lot of memory, not so much cpu and all games must be api-bound. With a console, you have none of these elements, and there's much more flexibility in game development.

Also, with a fixed hardware configuration, game developers make a game that is meant to run optimally in that particular piece of hardware. PC games have minimum and recommended requirements, so the developers have more "freedom" to do their games. If they can develop a game to run with 4GB of ram and 2.5GHZ, why would they mind if the game runs on a 1GHZ 256MB?

Hmm so he should upgrade to a PC that will only last him another 6months of gaming?

In his case, and what he has told us, he should definately get the 360, especially with a 50" TV!!!!!

What type of computer do you use that needs to be replaced in 6 months?

The last one I built uses:

Optron 146 (running 2.95Ghz on 1.4 volts) $200
7900GT $287
G.Skill DDR500 ram (2X1GB) $160

I average 127 fps in FEAR with everything turned up (tops out at 308 fps) and I have not even OC the card yet.

Yes it will connect to HDTV sets.

If you think any of this will need to be replaced in 6 months....your just not thinking.

Don't spread misinformation like that. A simple Google search would disprove the idea that a PS2 is a Pentium 2 based system.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/PlayS [...] patibility

i think he meant that it's supposed to perform like a P-II, as it's ~300mhz, but that proved wrong...
Reading the article you posted, there's this link:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Emotion_Engine

and it says it is 2 times faster than a P-III 733... oh boy

The information I was referring to was in some article Toms' did about RPGs a while ago (about how on PC there were hardly any people in a city scene, whereas it was densely populated on PS2).

Xbox and a P3 class CPU perform similarly because

a) they use a VERY similar CPU
b) An Xbox is pretty much a PC anyway

As for deleting my post? Why? It was relative to another post. Like I said, read it in context. If you care that much you'll search the archives for the article I'm referring to.

It is similar in specification.

Emotion Engine - 294mhz, 10.5 million transistors, 64 bit, 16k + 8k + 16k cache
Pentium 2 - 3-8 million transistors, 32 bit, 512k cache

I'd say that's pretty similar.

I'm not saying that either is an exact clone of the other, but those specs read pretty darn similar.

Thats the most retarded thing I've ever heard.

With antialiasing disabled on what resolution?

You're kidding right?

My two cents:

If you are in a hurry, get the Xbox 360. If you need to upgrade to the spec of the 360 you need a lot more than $400.

If you can wait, then all PC hardware will reduce in price later. RAM, the current AMD, and Intel CPUs, etc as AM2 and Conroe will come out, as well as the next gen DX100 GPUs. So PC upgrade to the level of the 360 will be cheaper than if you upgraded now.

From your specs, I would don't think "Upgrade" would be worth it, (old MB, RAM). In your case a new system in early 2007 would be best value for money).

As with all console purchases check out the current and forthcoming games. Not all PC games will come out for console and vice versa. Some games play better on the PC, so what games you like should influence your decision.

That's what I was saying.

I bet Tom is hastily digging through his archives to delete that before you find it.

if your only upgrading that much, the 360 is the clear choice

*ic you already upgraded... so anyways.... have fun i suppose