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an aneurism.

Finally you've achieved something everyone else can be proud of.

an aneurism.

Finally you've achieved something everyone else can be proud of.


But it's not a tumor.

I would have to agree, well I do beleive he is incorrect sometimes I dont believe it warrants the repreve he gets. The people who are deserving of a somewhat violent reaction are people like MMM, 9Inch, gotaloveIMC and coolzmikey. When they are wrong they simply refuse to admit it in any way, as well as insulting any who challange their POV.

Hard to believe isn't it.... actually, he has claimed to be an analyst, an MS kernel debugger, a consultant, and now a developer.

Hard to figure.

Just so I can tell THE WHOLE WORLD.


I started out as an ME(mecahnaical engineeer), but found MS more interesting. I did USB testing which at that time was strictly kernel drivers. I have watched the industry and noticed trens away from the "800lb gorillas" in IT/SW - hmmm worked at MS only used Intel for his studio - hmmm. Most devs end up consulting as it's more flexible. Consultants are usually devs or testers.

STFU.


Funny, when I earned my degree, it was spelled Mechanical Engineering.

Of course, we also had to take technical writing courses to train us to write sentences which actually made sense.

Guess I'm out of date, or your not really what you claim.


Typos and misspellings are not the same thing. Crawl back under your rock. Odoriferousness is not a sign of strength.

Once again, a case of the pot calling the kettle black. While I am far from a perfect typist, one of the fundemental principles of ANY of the engineering diciplines is "Attention to detail". Lack of that, especially in ME, gets people killed. It means you go back and recheck your work to insure its correct. You, clearly, do not, which again leads me to question your credentials.

You cannot have logical arguments if your statements have no logic. I would still love for you to decipher:

Im guessing it means your the NASA technician who forgot to convert from metric to SAE

So, after all Intel doesn't seem to be as "reliabale" as many have thought. 8)

You are infuriating! Why dont you ever stay to defend yourself? Why would you even pay attention to a test done by a competing company? Why why why?

So, after all Intel doesn't seem to be as "reliabale" as many have thought. 8)

You are infuriating! Why dont you ever stay to defend yourself? Why would you even pay attention to a test done by a competing company? Why why why?

He doesn’t stay to defend himself because aside from the evidence that he is not a "true" poster, but rather an AMD marketing plant, his posts are indefensible. He simply regurgitates pro AMD headlines without bothering to investigate their validity. If he took the time to verify the information he posts, he would find it was usually incorrect and/or out of context and thus, never post anything.

Well, let's see:

hmmm... worked at MS; only used Intel for his studio;

HAPPY

I guess it was meant to be a sentence fragment

Good for you I guess?
I dont have any problems with bashing fanpois, the mature or the childish way, I dont care

This is a CPU forum not a CNC design session.

This is a CPU forum not a CNC design session.

ROFLMAO

You're quite right, I doubt you could speak with any more credibility in a computer numeric controlled machine design forum than you can here. However, it is you who has used your claim of a degree in ME to lend yourself and thus your statements credibility, not I. Yet when your bet is called, you whine:

.

Well guess what, I concur with you. Absolutely. As such, I expect you will refrain from claiming you hold a ME degree in further attempts to provide yourself any sort of expert stature or “air of authority” within the CPU forum. You started this argument, not me.


In regards to your arguments, what you don’t seem to understand is that just as 9 Inch does more to tarnish AMDs reputation than shine it with his opinionated, unsubstantiated blathering, your methodology discredits anyone who holds a degree in ME. What does that mean? Well, in case you haven’t noticed, you don’t seem to get much respect in Tom’s forums, except from a very limited group of acknowledged Fanboys. Why? Simple, you don’t deserve it. Did you ever wonder why some people on this forum command respect, while others such as yourself fight uselessly for it? Several reasons Here’s why:

Oh, before I proceed, let me state that I know for fact that I am not one of those few who deserve respect in this forum for their CPU technical acuity, I do not presume to include myself in that group, nor will I ever claimed to be in that group.

Back to the why:

Those who have earned their respect: Jumping Jack, RichPLS etc.
Those who have not: BM, 9 inch, MMM, Shariboob etc.

Jumping Jack, RichPLS etc: Clearly identify theories, arguments and opinions
BM, 9 inch, MMM, Shariboob etc: Make inflexible argumentative statements, or jump on argumentative bandwagons

Jumping Jack, RichPLS etc: Take time to research all sides of theory, argument, or opinion
BM, 9 inch, MMM, Shariboob etc: Provide only one side of theory or argument: Theirs

Jumping Jack, RichPLS etc: Provide both positive and negative information from their research as it relates to the theory, argument or opinion at hand
BM, 9 inch, MMM, Shariboob etc: Provide only information which is pro-their argument or point of view.

Jumping Jack, and RichPLS etc: Provide access to multiple sources of information, both positive and negative, in order to legitimately substantiate that information.
BM, 9 inch, MMM, Shariboob etc: Provide…..The Inquirer or themselves as sources of information, with no further substantiation

Jumping Jack, RichPLS etc: Identify sources reliability and provide justification of reliability rating
BM, 9 inch, MMM, Shariboob etc: Rigidly adhere to notion that The Inquirer and their opinions are reliable, even when conclusively proven wrong.

Jumping Jack, and RichPLS etc: Set positive/negative information into logical arguments
BM, 9 inch, MMM, Shariboob etc: Present only pro-their-opinion information allowing no room for examination of negative factors, or blithely disregard negative information

Jumping Jack, RichPLS etc: Seek to address positive/negative information with substantiated facts
BM, 9 inch, MMM, Shariboob etc: Don’t spend time substantiating negative information or facts, and present their opinions as substantiated fact

Jumping Jack, RichPLS etc: Draw conclusions based on the sum of information presented
BM, 9 inch, MMM, Shariboob etc: Come pre-opinionated with conclusions in hand

Jumping Jack, and RichPLS etc: Differentiate between their opinions and fact
BM, 9 inch, MMM, Shariboob etc: State their opinions AS fact

Jumping Jack, RichPLS etc: Admit when they are wrong or have made a mistake
BM, 9 inch, MMM, Shariboob etc: Never wrong or mistaken, according to themselves

Jumping Jack, RichPLS etc: Admit when they don’t know, or are unsure and clearly identify their opinions as just that, opinions.
BM, 9 inch, MMM, Shariboob etc: Always sure, always know, EVEN IN THE FACE OF SUBSTACIATED FACT PROVING OTHERWISE

In short, if someone were to ask a question of you or Jack, they could reasonably expect a factually truthful answer from Jack, regardless of its implications. You…well there’s really no point in asking because your answer is already known… the fanboy opinionated answer

People like you both shame and scare me. You’re so narrow minded and opinionated, you are incapable of admitting you may be wrong. It embarrasses me that you may hold the same credentials that I do. That very inability to admit you may be wrong is an exceptionally dangerous personality trait in someone who may design something which someone’s life may depend on, regardless of whether it’s an aircraft, automobile etc or the microprocessor that controls it.

With the aforementioned stated, I would now expect one of your witty and intellectually challenging (or challenged?) responses such as “Oh STFU” You should get that copyrighted, you seem to use it quite a bit

This is a CPU forum not a CNC design session.

ROFLMAO

You're quite right, I doubt you could speak with any more credibility in a computer numeric controlled machine design forum than you can here. However, it is you who has used your claim of a degree in ME to lend yourself and thus your statements credibility, not I. Yet when your bet is called, you whine:

.

Well guess what, I concur with you. Absolutely. As such, I expect you will refrain from claiming you hold a ME degree in further attempts to provide yourself any sort of expert stature or “air of authority” within the CPU forum. You started this argument, not me.


In regards to your arguments, what you don’t seem to understand is that just as 9 Inch does more to tarnish AMDs reputation than shine it with his opinionated, unsubstantiated blathering, your methodology discredits anyone who holds a degree in ME. What does that mean? Well, in case you haven’t noticed, you don’t seem to get much respect in Tom’s forums, except from a very limited group of acknowledged Fanboys. Why? Simple, you don’t deserve it. Did you ever wonder why some people on this forum command respect, while others such as yourself fight uselessly for it? Several reasons Here’s why:

Oh, before I proceed, let me state that I know for fact that I am not one of those few who deserve respect in this forum for their CPU technical acuity, I do not presume to include myself in that group, nor will I ever claimed to be in that group.

Back to the why:

Those who have earned their respect: Jumping Jack, RichPLS etc.
Those who have not: BM, 9 inch, MMM, Shariboob etc.

Jumping Jack, RichPLS etc: Clearly identify theories, arguments and opinions
BM, 9 inch, MMM, Shariboob etc: Make inflexible argumentative statements, or jump on argumentative bandwagons

Jumping Jack, RichPLS etc: Take time to research all sides of theory, argument, or opinion
BM, 9 inch, MMM, Shariboob etc: Provide only one side of theory or argument: Theirs

Jumping Jack, RichPLS etc: Provide both positive and negative information from their research as it relates to the theory, argument or opinion at hand
BM, 9 inch, MMM, Shariboob etc: Provide only information which is pro-their argument or point of view.

Jumping Jack, and RichPLS etc: Provide access to multiple sources of information, both positive and negative, in order to legitimately substantiate that information.
BM, 9 inch, MMM, Shariboob etc: Provide…..The Inquirer or themselves as sources of information, with no further substantiation

Jumping Jack, RichPLS etc: Identify sources reliability and provide justification of reliability rating
BM, 9 inch, MMM, Shariboob etc: Rigidly adhere to notion that The Inquirer and their opinions are reliable, even when conclusively proven wrong.

Jumping Jack, and RichPLS etc: Set positive/negative information into logical arguments
BM, 9 inch, MMM, Shariboob etc: Present only pro-their-opinion information allowing no room for examination of negative factors, or blithely disregard negative information

Jumping Jack, RichPLS etc: Seek to address positive/negative information with substantiated facts
BM, 9 inch, MMM, Shariboob etc: Don’t spend time substantiating negative information or facts, and present their opinions as substantiated fact

Jumping Jack, RichPLS etc: Draw conclusions based on the sum of information presented
BM, 9 inch, MMM, Shariboob etc: Come pre-opinionated with conclusions in hand

Jumping Jack, and RichPLS etc: Differentiate between their opinions and fact
BM, 9 inch, MMM, Shariboob etc: State their opinions AS fact

Jumping Jack, RichPLS etc: Admit when they are wrong or have made a mistake
BM, 9 inch, MMM, Shariboob etc: Never wrong or mistaken, according to themselves

Jumping Jack, RichPLS etc: Admit when they don’t know, or are unsure and clearly identify their opinions as just that, opinions.
BM, 9 inch, MMM, Shariboob etc: Always sure, always know, EVEN IN THE FACE OF SUBSTACIATED FACT PROVING OTHERWISE

In short, if someone were to ask a question of you or Jack, they could reasonably expect a factually truthful answer from Jack, regardless of its implications. You…well there’s really no point in asking because your answer is already known… the fanboy opinionated answer

People like you both shame and scare me. You’re so narrow minded and opinionated, you are incapable of admitting you may be wrong. It embarrasses me that you may hold the same credentials that I do. That very inability to admit you may be wrong is an exceptionally dangerous personality trait in someone who may design something which someone’s life may depend on, regardless of whether it’s an aircraft, automobile etc or the microprocessor that controls it.

With the aforementioned stated, I would now expect one of your witty and intellectually challenging (or challenged?) responses such as “Oh STFU” You should get that copyrighted, you seem to use it quite a bit


BEcause you suck so bad I DON'T WANT YOUR RESPECT. Keep riding on Intel's coattails. It still doesn't make you anyone.

I take my time when I do reverse kinematics and fuzzy logic algorithms.

Sorry it took so long to reply, but I was unconscious on the floor for some time due to a lack of oxygen from laughing so hard at the irony of your statements.

You say you take your time? I doubt it, but if you do, you should apply the same practice to your posts. Do you actually listen to yourself, or read what you write? You seem to keep tossing "big" words out as a way to impress or scare people, as if you understand their meanings. I doubt you know what kinematics is, so I'll give you its definition: The science of motion.

As for Fuzzy Logic, I unabashedly acknowledge that, by its very definition, you, 9 inch, MMM and Shariboob are all masters of it: Fuzzy Logic--Provides a simple way to arrive at a conclusion based upon vague, ambiguous, imprecise, noisy, or missing input information

As for clear implication that I am an Intel fanboy "Keep riding on Intel's coattails" you'd better take a closer look. If someone were to be forced to label me, in regards to Intel or AMD, I would be labeled an AMD Fanboy.

I have great respect for AMD. The people at AMD have worked diligently to produce innovative solutions in Uarch design which have realized great potential. They persevered through adversity and against great odds to achieve noteworthy levels of success in an arena dominated by another competitor.

And what they achieved was yesterday, i.e. history.

If AMD expects continued success they cannot lie on their laurels, but must apply the experience they have gained to the design of new products. Whether or not they are doing this now, or will do this in the future, I cannot say. Niether, for that fact of the matter can you. Only time will tell. Personally, I very much hope they do, as I would love to see them continue their success. As for Intel, If Conroe lives up to the hype, it will greatly exceed AMD's current and near future offerings in terms of performance. Again, time (23 Jul 06, specifically) will tell. And if Conroe does lives up to the hype, then Intel too will have earned my respect, for:
1) Realizing that marketing, no matter how effective, cannot permanently mask inferior design.
2) Designing a product with improved Uarch yielding greater performance without sacrificing efficiency.
And, the other thing Intel will earn, if Conroe lives up to the hype, is my money, which I will give to them to replace the AMD based system I am using at this very moment.

Not only did I never claim I was anyone, but I clearly stated:

Well, I’m glad to hear that, as considering your approach to this forum, you will probably never earn it.


Do you realize that every sentence of your response was tainted with ignorance?

Sorry it took so long to reply, but I was unconscious on the floor for some time due to a lack of oxygen from laughing so hard at the irony of your statements.

You say you take your time? I doubt it, but if you do, you should apply the same practice to your posts. Do you actually listen to yourself, or read what you write? You seem to keep tossing "big" words out as a way to impress or scare people, as if you understand their meanings. I doubt you know what kinematics is, so I'll give you its definition: The science of motion.

As for Fuzzy Logic, I unabashedly acknowledge that, by its very definition, you, 9 inch, MMM and Shariboob are all masters of it: Fuzzy Logic--Provides a simple way to arrive at a conclusion based upon vague, ambiguous, imprecise, noisy, or missing input information

As for clear implication that I am an Intel fanboy "Keep riding on Intel's coattails" you'd better take a closer look. If someone were to be forced to label me, in regards to Intel or AMD, I would be labeled an AMD Fanboy.

I have great respect for AMD. The people at AMD have worked diligently to produce innovative solutions in Uarch design which have realized great potential. They persevered through adversity and against great odds to achieve noteworthy levels of success in an arena dominated by another competitor.

And what they achieved was yesterday, i.e. history.

If AMD expects continued success they cannot lie on their laurels, but must apply the experience they have gained to the design of new products. Whether or not they are doing this now, or will do this in the future, I cannot say. Niether, for that fact of the matter can you. Only time will tell. Personally, I very much hope they do, as I would love to see them continue their success. As for Intel, If Conroe lives up to the hype, it will greatly exceed AMD's current and near future offerings in terms of performance. Again, time (23 Jul 06, specifically) will tell. And if Conroe does lives up to the hype, then Intel too will have earned my respect, for:
1) Realizing that marketing, no matter how effective, cannot permanently mask inferior design.
2) Designing a product with improved Uarch yielding greater performance without sacrificing efficiency.
And, the other thing Intel will earn, if Conroe lives up to the hype, is my money, which I will give to them to replace the AMD based system I am using at this very moment.

Not only did I never claim I was anyone, but I clearly stated:

Well, I’m glad to hear that, as considering your approach to this forum, you will probably never earn it.


Do you realize that every sentence of your response was tainted with ignorance?


No, fuzzy logic is an algorithm based on a heuristic model where initial info is applied to the space and as different combinations of input are resolved their abstract characteristics are added to a decision matrix.

This allows for advanced adaptive logic. A term that ........
never mind.

Doesn't your fanboy AMD allow you to cut and paste more of that asnwer you started to steal from somewhere else?

Adding, changing, and revising is against the spirit of the program -- it does not condone to a stable image (stable in this case is software image). How is a compay of 10K employees going to manage upteen different configurations, with different drivers, software base if the hardware is not consistent and known to accept such image??

So you're saying a CPU company can NEVER update their portfolio?

Wow --- no, they can --- but when they advertise a program ensuring a platform will not change for x months, then 3 months later discontinue the product, it seems ODD.

You obviously do not understand the purpose of SIPP or CSIP. It is a guaranteed HW configuration so that one software image can be developed, qualified and deployed to 100's or even 1000's of identically configured PC/Laptops without worry of incompatibilities with drivers, software and such. This means chipset, CPU, and graphics. Corporations incur huge costs each time they need to deploy the latest driver patch or MS security upgrade, those costs grow geometrically if they also must maintain dozens of different configurations.


Oh shut up. As a dev who keeps getting these CHEAP DELLS to dev for server with, I WELCOME EVEN A CRAPPY AMD/nVIDIA MACHINE.


DO YOU UNDERSTAND????????


Or should I draw you a diagram???????????

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Maybe you should shut up, because from my point of you are making a huge ass of yourself and additionally looking more stupid then usual. I don't even understand how you can't understand the concept of the stable image program.

You aren't a developer you aren't a programmer, you aren't a analyst. But what you are most likely, is a 15-19 year old male living in mommy and daddy's basement, just bought your rad new Athlon or Septron and figure well since I can over clock my processor 100mhz I'm a enthusiast which means I know everything about anything computer related.

Take your tantrums else where you are making Toms Hardware Guides Community look like a poser forum like Anandtech or Hard OCP.

Google "fuzzy logic"

But back on topic. nVidia has a growing list of supporters for t