Are you on crack rock? Gin made the mouse, and made the first OS to use it, wait, who did the Gin company become MICROSOFT.
Regardless of who invented the GUI, Apple was the first company to succesfully bring it to market. And Microsoft's Excel and PowerPoint were first developed for the Mac. In fact, Excel was the first spreadsheet app to challenge Lotus 1-2-3, and it happened on the Mac, not Windows. The rest is history. And no matter what fanboys on either side say, Microsoft was commited to the Mac from day one. If it hadn't been for MS, Apple might very well not exist.
FTR, I don't even own a Mac.
Now you're just being silly. Excel was an also ran until Windows became mainstream. And I may be giving them too much credit, as it may have been an also ran until Windows 95, which was also when Word started to take over, because WordPerfect didn't have a good windows 95 word processor and Lotus' Amipro for Windows 95 was very flawed (possibly because of the old adage, "it's not done until Lotus doesn't work" ).
Finally, if you're going to say that Apples great because they marketed a product that htey copied, that's fine, but then MS did the same thing. I hardly see how Apple copying Xerox makes them a fabulous visionary company while MS copying Apple makes them lame copiers.
That's an especially specious argument, since Gates begged Apple to port Mac OS to the Intel platform and they refused. In short, if Apples leaders, which, basically means Jobs in this case, had trully been visionaries they would have ported to Intel and Apple would have 97% of the world wide OS market.
I see them going Nvidia... and perhaps the upcoming Mac Pro will ship with an Nvidia G80 in it. They like to be the first to use graphics technologies... perhaps this is one of the surprises coming mid-August.
I really don't see how this affects Apple at all. Why do they need to change graphics cards? It's not like ATI is going to stop supporting intel platforms. The market is heading towards a duopoly and neither AMD nor ATI wants to give up 50% of the market (never mind the 80% othat intel currently owns)
Waiting for my Memron Apple Powerbook.
Usually can't beat Apple laptop price/performance.
Can use Windows if needed.
Obviously lots of cheaper/faster desktops not Apple.
There is virtually no learning curve on basic activities in Windows... they are just as "easy" as they are on a Mac. Browsing the internet or sending email certainly aren't complicated tasks to begin with... so doing it on a Mac is not really different from doing it on a PC. The only difference would be the software being used.
If she's doing something a little more advanced, then yeah, there's going to be a learning curve... again depending on the software you use.
12 years ago a friend needed more memory for some app on his mac. I either needed to find out how much ram he had or find out how to change the cache size (don't recall which). I could do that in Dos/Windows 3.1 in a couple of minutes. On an apple? I spent an 30 mins to an hour trying to figure out where the info and/or configuration for memory was. No dce.
Finally we called up apple support...sat on hold for another hour or so (thank god for the free beer) and got the info. Yeah, it was easy to do once I knew where to go, but finding it in the overly long menu (and that god awful 1 button mouse).
Who cares about Apple? I for one wish they would just cease to exist.
That's not nice. What has Apple done to you? They were the ones who invented the GUI; otherwise we'd probably still be using green screens.
Apple invented the GUI? Apple hasn't invented anything.
I remember using GEOS (I believe that was the name) on the c64 long before the Apple Mac was introduced.
Thanks for being the 4th one to correct my statement. BTW, the C64 came out in August 1982; the Macintosh was released in January 1984. That's not such a long time.
Learn how to read: I wrote that 'Themes' service C-R-A-S-H-E-D (as in, 'Windows Explorer has exited abruptly' message box popping out, taskbar going away, IE crashing and all open windows file manager disappearing)
All of that sounds like problems with explorer (if the toolbar goes away, explorer crashed, though you can restart it in task manager).
I'll have to restart themes to see if it matters. I don't recall any difference when I killed it...the main reason I did kill themes is because I never used themes. I do use the classic desktop (with all eye candy, including animation when windows open/close) becaue it's faster, but I prefer the newer start menu. It took a week to get use to, but I'd never got back.
The only thing I'd change is move the run button back under the Programs
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The fact that Themes makes XP slower is another point against it: you could run the same thing (RGB+1-bit Alpha channel, skinnable windows) without such a speed hit on a P133 with 32 Mb of EDO ram and a S3 Trio64 under Xfree86 in Slackware, in 1996.
It's not just speed, however. I personally find all the animated crap annoying. I havne't installed vista, but I'm unconvinced I'll like the new 3d desktop.
Everytime I see the "warez" type, I'm now reminded of the quote from Grandma's Boy:
"So how much do clothes cost in the Matrix?"
Seriously, though, AMD didn't invent the GUI. They just reverse-engineered it out of the kindess of their hearts. They took it from the godless capitalists, and gave it to the community. AMD stands for truth, justice and caring. AMD=love. AMD is not in business for profit, they are here to defend our honor.
Who cares about Apple? I for one wish they would just cease to exist.
That's not nice. What has Apple done to you? They were the ones who invented the GUI; otherwise we'd probably still be using green screens.
Apple invented the GUI? Apple hasn't invented anything.
I remember using GEOS (I believe that was the name) on the c64 long before the Apple Mac was introduced.
Thanks for being the 4th one to correct my statement. BTW, the C64 came out in August 1982; the Macintosh was released in January 1984. That's not such a long time.
Are you on crack rock? Gin made the mouse, and made the first OS to use it, wait, who did the Gin company become MICROSOFT.
Regardless of who invented the GUI, Apple was the first company to succesfully bring it to market. And Microsoft's Excel and PowerPoint were first developed for the Mac. In fact, Excel was the first spreadsheet app to challenge Lotus 1-2-3, and it happened on the Mac, not Windows. The rest is history. And no matter what fanboys on either side say, Microsoft was commited to the Mac from day one. If it hadn't been for MS, Apple might very well not exist.
FTR, I don't even own a Mac.
Now you're just being silly. Excel was an also ran until Windows became mainstream. And I may be giving them too much credit, as it may have been an also ran until Windows 95, which was also when Word started to take over, because WP didn't have a good windows WP and Lotus' Amipro for Windows was very flawed (possibly because of the old adage, "it's not done until lotus doesn't work" ).
Finally, if you're going to say that Apples great because they marketed a product that htey copied, that's fine, but then MS did the same thing. I hardly see how Apple copying Xerox makes them a fabulous visionary company while MS copying Apple makes them lame copiers.
That's an especially specious argument, since Gates Begged Apple to port Mac OS to the intel platform and they refused. In short, if Apples leaders, which, basically means Jobs in this case, had trully been visionaries they would have ported to Intel and Apple would have 97% of the world wide OS market.
And this is why you'll never see Mr. nilepez on a "Get A Mac" PC vs Mac commercial.
Don't bother debating Spud when we goes into his alter-ego, "AMDRIOD", the most ballinest, playa-hatin' AMD fanboy ever. The L337 should tell you he be keepin' it real. The regular Spud is an intelligent person with lots of knowledge in Intel cpu history and design. You just can't take AMDROID seriously.
Don't bother debating Spud when we goes into his alter-ego, "AMDRIOD", the most ballinest, playa-hatin' AMD fanboy ever. The L337 should tell you he be keepin' it real. The regular Spud is an intelligent person with lots of knowledge in Intel cpu history and design. You just can't take AMDROID seriously.
If Spud were here, I hope he would give your post a "Word"
Funny how this forum turned into a flame-apple-forum. 8)
I don't care if people like Apple or not. I simply don't think apple is the best thing since sliced bread. MS is hardly perfect either, but it's not the Eve of software/os companies either.
If you like Apple, great. If you like Unix, great. If you like Windowx XP, great, but let's not pretend that because you like one of them, whatever OS that may be, that that makes it the holy grail of OSs.
I"m anti-fanboy. If at some point Mac has a competitive piece of H/W, I'll jump on it. In the end, to me, Macintosh is an OS, and I'm willing to pay 100, maybe 150, for the OS ath the time I purchase h/w. But since I'm willing to pay that for Windows, that means that an Mac should cost roughly the same price as a comparable Dell/Gateway/Lenovo/Toshiba/Sony.
@nilepez: read the thread, I've been repeatedly bashed because I said the Mac's GUI was amongst the (if no THE) best one can find on a personal computer.
Hardware-wise, they're a pain (eventhough they've been using PC components for 8-10 years apart from motherboard and CPU, and now not even the latter), and only when they decided to switch to a NetBSD kernel and a Unix subsystem did they become stable software-wise.
OTOH, having used a Mac in the graphical creation/printing business, in that situation they absolutely RULE - I tried installing the same software on a PC (the win32 versions, obviously) and it became a tedious, slow process.
The main reason why Apple pulled out of the gaming business mainly relates to the fact that they got badly frightened by the video game wars (1983, 1991) and never got their act together after that.
@spud: translation please? I've never used AOL.
@Action_man & Zoron: most people I talked to found the double-clic timing a bit hard to learn. The single-clic option in Windows is not On by deault, was first introduced with the (unsupported at the time by Microsoft) TweakUI tools for win95, labelled as 'X-like behavior' (along with 'activation follows mouse'), and learning Windows isn't TOO hard - it's just that Apple's GUI is easier to learn, as those PC-to-Mac users I know had less trouble learning MacOS than they did re-learning Windows on version upgrades.
@Action_Man: I haven't seen you start an interesting thread recently, only picking on 9-inch (who does deserve it, alright) or anybody else (including me) - never helping anybody. Maybe you should consider calming down.
Some stuff on Apple has been great and ahead of mainstream PC tech: Higher resolution graphics(think back to Mac vs. CGA/EGA timeframe), Firewire, SCSI, built-in WiFi.
Not a fan of their old bus technology, ADB, one button mice, AppleTalk, etc.
PCs are all about the cheapest stuff around - sometimes it's great(USB for devices) and sometimes it's retarded (i.e the BIOS!!!).
Apple's OS X is to XP as Firefox is to Internet Exploder. Now that OS X can run on commodity PC hardware the migration away from XP is slowly taking place(i.e following Pixar's lead). But like Firefox vs. Internet Exploder, OS X will never unsurp XP completely.
