YO_KID37, you're apparently unaware of Apple's recent agreement with nVidia to power the upcoming, game-playing nVpod. But regardless of that deal, Apple is free to use whatever graphics solution best fits its needs. I'm sure AMD won't turn it down. Besides, Apple has enough cash on hand to gobble up AMD lock stock and barrel, without any loans.
I don't even know why I'm participating in this silly thread.
With all the rumors that Intel had counterbid for ATI, we need some rumors that Apple makes a bid for ATI. That would throw the industry upside down.
I read in an article that Apple just bought Microsoft and AMD bought Intel...craaaazy stuff huh?
(sarcasm)
hehe, the Albanian antitrust commision would never let that happen.
Also, Nvidia just merged with Sun so they wouldn't be the only company without CPU, chipset, and GPU under one roof. Here come the UltraSparc gaming PCs. Look out!
I mean, I once had to equip a 83 years old with a very small appartment with a desktop system (no laptop) that could be put away in a drawer, AND at the same time easy enough to learn - she had no computer experience. At all. What did I get? It was either designing a very small mini-PC and putting Windows XP on it (not easy to learn), or Gnome/Linux (not easy to maintain for third-parties) - or get a Mac mini.
There is virtually no learning curve on basic activities in Windows... they are just as "easy" as they are on a Mac. Browsing the internet or sending email certainly aren't complicated tasks to begin with... so doing it on a Mac is not really different from doing it on a PC. The only difference would be the software being used.
If she's doing something a little more advanced, then yeah, there's going to be a learning curve... again depending on the software you use.
I mean, I once had to equip a 83 years old with a very small appartment with a desktop system (no laptop) that could be put away in a drawer, AND at the same time easy enough to learn - she had no computer experience. At all. What did I get? It was either designing a very small mini-PC and putting Windows XP on it (not easy to learn), or Gnome/Linux (not easy to maintain for third-parties) - or get a Mac mini.
There is virtually no learning curve on basic activities in Windows... they are just as "easy" as they are on a Mac. Browsing the internet or sending email certainly aren't complicated tasks to begin with... so doing it on a Mac is not really different from doing it on a PC. The only difference would be the software being used.
If she's doing something a little more advanced, then yeah, there's going to be a learning curve... again depending on the software you use.
Not sure about others but I didnt foregt about Apple.....I just dont care 2 much for them........
Before their switch to Intel hardware, every software used on a MAC had to be MAC compatible which means a lot of restrictions...........
Once they switched to Intel hardware, they are just another PC so why would I spend extra money to buy the same thing..........
Some people like their looks which is all good......the white brand company that produce their outer shells in Taiwan sells to the general public as well...with some minor modifications of course
Apple stuff is just so over priced for everything they sell.........I guess their marketing department is doing a great job!!!!!!
There is virtually no learning curve on basic activities in Windows... they are just as "easy" as they are on a Mac. Browsing the internet or sending email certainly aren't complicated tasks to begin with... so doing it on a Mac is not really different from doing it on a PC. The only difference would be the software being used.
If she's doing something a little more advanced, then yeah, there's going to be a learning curve... again depending on the software you use.
Finding that you must explore a complete, ever changing menu tree (which disappears every time your mouse leaves it or clicks) to find a section where the name of the application is written, then GUESS what said application does. If located and once the application has started, make the difference between the controls used by the OS' GUI (always there) and those provided by the softwaren, popping all over the place: welcome to Windows, the system where the user is supposed to be multitasking.
Compared to making your mouse drift to an automatic scrolling menu with big icons appearing along with a description of what it's for, then having only the applications' controls to deal with, frankly...
Windows as easy as MacOS X to learn: yeah, right. Pull the other one now.
of course no body wants to develop games for apple, the people developping are far to busy doing it for all the kiddies playing on consoles or on pcs.
apple didn't 'throw away' the 'crappy IBM chip' it upgraded, and may i remind you that long long long before any pcs, for the 'regular', 'mainstream' user, where fitted with dual cores, most apps run by developping companys, of any sort, had multi processors, hence the title 'work station' as in work, producing goods , MONEY, versus just gaming, fps, headshot, ubermicro and essencially non profitable ( except for all u fat arses eating shit whistle gaming).
I'm a Pc bloke essencially, but i've been around and about in most systems(intels, amds, cyrixs , lest not we forget apples, commodores, orics etc, etc and god knows what...), and from experience a 800 Mhz PIII with a gig of ram, fitted with a decent bit of graphics card, say a TI500 , AND, heres the nasty part, LOADS OF PROGRAMMING probably can beat the most systems pre PIV 2,8Ghz . ah u say, is he mad? nope, there is a twist, most OS and drivers are built around satisfying a maxium of systems and are not 'optimised' which means , essencially u're 'puter is hauling a lot if unused junk which hurts system prefs (is this too hard to understand?).
it's all down to this, why in gods name do you think professional graphic cards have programmable shaders, rendering gizmos etc etc...? oh yeah the cost a bucket load of cash more too .
why?
so that al u faggots can play HL 2 ... and watch Startrek.... or any film with special efects... too harsh? bah, live with it. when u get a GF , and when she'll dump you, pardon, IF u get one, and when u get kicked in the nuts , tha will hurt ...
how many of you actually read , learn or do anything appart from getting your parents to buy u the hardware, then bitch about some older stuff you didn't have to buy when it was in it's prime and expensive.
reading the forums , most of the time, i get the impression that a bunch of school kids, which just had mommy or daddy bought their first 'puter, spend time bitching and flaming hardware which gives/gave them thier first and foremost social activities: gaming.
yeah , yeah, i know, is there any reason why i should go balistic? this thread reeks of underage, morronic ImtdamanwithaMx440 bull.....
if you dont have anything interesting to say, forget how to power on your pc , or break the pwr switch for christ's sake and go play with some dirt some where.
The fact that MacOS X is easier to learn than Windows XP? Yup. An actual Grandmother test worked. How many users appreciated the fact that I showed them how to set XP's Start menu to 'Classic' behaviour? 95%. Since it is the OS's part where you spend the most time, the faster the better.
That Aqua looks better than Luna? That too - except for Teletubbies fans, maybe. And strangely, disabling Themes support in WinXP boosts GUI responsiveness by quite a lot and reduces crashes...
Now of course, I've left those behind me: when Gnome crashes (I'm using an old version at work, the one at home is much more solid), the applications stay put and useable and it all comes back to normal in under a second anyway, I have virtual desktops, easily configurable toolbars, small menus with meaningful names (why do you have to click on 'Start' to shut down your computer anyway?!), and application descriptions along with their names.
As a matter of fact, every and all computer I ever got was either a hand-me-down or one I paid for and assembled myself - Mommy didn't give pocket money.
I've used a 8088 (yes, the 80,000 transistors, 4.77 MHz, 640 K bound, HD-less, monochrome variety), a 8086, several 286/386, a few 486, a bunch of 586-class, many 686 class... Under systems ranging from PC-DOS 3.30 to Windows 2003 Server SP1 (list: PC/MS-DOS 3/4/5/6+win2/386-win3.11, Win9x, WinNT4/5/5.1/5.2) and the odd Vista beta.
Used Macs under OS 8.0, 8.5, 8.6, 9.0-9.2, OS-X 10.1-10.4.
Used Linux for a while, through distros like Slackware, Debian, Mandriva, SuSE, Knoppix, Ubuntu.
Yes, I also did some tinkering on Atari STs and a Commodore 64, plus Thomson's MO-5.
I know the hardware too, having put together a few dozen systems and fixed several hundreds of all ages and types. I've taught people how to use computers and how to maintain them for more than 8 years now, having shamed several so-called 'engineers'.
So when I say that the Mac OS X interface is easier to learn than Windows', I do think I have a point somewhere. The fact that there are few big game titles on Mac available has nothing to do with it.
Now you may want to have a look at OpenGL games under Linux and ported to MacOS X - the arguments saying you can play under Linux are valid there too. And yes, those games can also make use of shaders.
As to my GF, she is gently recovering at home after last night.
I tend to agree with mitch except that there are a few things which bug me a bit, mus be old pc reflexes on the whole, once u've gotten used to it, it's ..... easy....
It's difficult getting used to the fact that on a Mac, you can do pretty much everything with a single mouse click and a different key pressed, while you have to learn a complex gymnastic to use Windows...
It's also hard to imagine not having to clean up after uninstalling a Mac app, simply binning it will remove it from disk.
It's oh-so-alien to us poor Windows users.
Be careful who you answer to next time; if you answer someone other than the last poster, either answer the correct post or use @username...
bah i didn't really look i was so pissed by some remarks on macs. I've cooled down now, was looking at 'click' on bbc world...
U've tried the vista beta, what's it like? I sort of fell out of the beta tester bandwagon since i stuck with xp.
Apple has already been using Intel GPUs in its low-end consumer models. Yes, indeed we will see the Intel GPUs continued to be used in consumer models.
Apple most certainly won't be using an Intel GPU in its Mac Pro models. This is what I was referring to.
I would not put much faith in any graphics products from Intel. At this point, seeing is believing.
I would not be too quick to doubt an OEM vending IGP manufacturer... I remember when all ATI made was the worlds crappiest IGP's. But, I agree, seeing is believing.
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How many users appreciated the fact that I showed them how to set XP's Start menu to 'Classic' behaviour? 95%.
Wow. Do you think that could be because all those people had gotten used to the old style and had problems dealing with change??? If they have a problem with Windows XP's start menu, it is only because they love the interface of another product which is not MacOS. Also, you are comparing two Microsoft products, so how does that add weight to your point that MacOS is easier?
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and reduces crashes...
I am sick and tired of saying... "If Windows XP crashes on you then you are doing something wrong. I'm using the same Windows XP as you are and mine is like a rock. Maybe you should look at some of the other variables... like you." ...or a variation thereof.
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I've cooled down now, was looking at 'click' on bbc world...