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The FX57 is the worst price vs. performance chip on the market right now. For the same price, you could get an E6600.

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Officially, 939 is now a dead socket, meaning all 939 chips are not being made anymore, and nothing beyond the 4800+/FX60 will come out.

Ask your local/large retailer and they will confirm this is AMD's 'Official' position.

Whats weirder is that 754 will continue into 2007, after 939 is officially long gone.

Though seeing the venice core ported to 754 makes me believe there is no reason why AMD couldn't keep adding to the 939 lineup. But its not technical, its econnomics. Just like the reason behind AGP cards costing more than they're worth these days.

If you don't plan to upgrade to C2D or AM3, maybe get the 4400 to finish that system off, but only if you want to keep the system going.

The smarter move is to save the money for a proper upgrade to a 'live' socket with future potential. There are so many unknowns right now (windows, dx10, new gpus, ddr3 ram, etc), so waiting is the best solution since the next big thing will always destroy all the current offerings.

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Officially, 939 is now a dead socket, meaning all 939 chips are not being made anymore, and nothing beyond the 4800+/FX60 will come out.

Ask your local/large retailer and they will confirm this is AMD's 'Official' position.

Whats weirder is that 754 will continue into 2007, after 939 is officially long gone.

Though seeing the venice core ported to 754 makes me believe there is no reason why AMD couldn't keep adding to the 939 lineup. But its not technical, its econnomics. Just like the reason behind AGP cards costing more than they're worth these days.

If you don't plan to upgrade to C2D or AM3, maybe get the 4400 to finish that system off, but only if you want to keep the system going.

The smarter move is to save the money for a proper upgrade to a 'live' socket with future potential. There are so many unknowns right now (windows, dx10, new gpus, ddr3 ram, etc), so waiting is the best solution since the next big thing will always destroy all the current offerings.


Thats kind of what I was saying in my first post. Wait as the top X2's get cheap and you may get lucky with a new CPU.

For AMD making a new CPU for 939 if they get in a market pinch it could happen. Your AGP analogy proves it can happen as Nvidia, with the 6000 series, and ATI, with their X800 series, went back after sales on the PCIE leveled to make AGP versions. While true the price did rise on the AGP's for a while the price for AGP's were about the same as PCIE. The market for AGP 6000 and X800 series got filled and the price then rose. PCI has be dead for ages but we even got Nvidia 6200's for PCI. With that said I know its somewhat unlikly I agree but possible.

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:twisted: I have no budget for my cpu, then again I dont wish to have an fx-60 if it is overpriced nor an opty if its way overpriced as well. However, what would be your opinion on a kick ass cpu for the money and great OC headroom??
I've hear wonderfull things about the Opty 165, but I wish to have something with a mutliplier, if one is nedded to oc which I'm assuming not, but the Fx's have mulipliers, but on your opinion as well as the others who are realing this thread, what is a kickass cpu for gaming that is good for budget, OC and performance for a socket 939??
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Get sum TITANIUM SERIES :twisted:

2-2-2-3
2-2-2-2
Insane timings if you ask me :D

I have 2x1gb Corsair timings are 3-3-3-8 im pretty happy with what I have. Besides I got them for free :wink:

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Well if you have no budget or worries about money than the FX 57 or FX 60 are the best 939 gaming cpus. The FX 60 will have longer legs going forward because future games will make use of 'dual core' whereas ones right now run fine with just one.

The reason nobody should bother with the FX is its retarded 'price to performance'. All you really get with the FX is the unlocked multiplier, though nice, wouldn't even help your oc too much if your mother board had limited oc'ing options.

The problems is the 939 chips are made with a 90nm process, and so far it seems all chips hit a wall around 2.8-3GHz (depending on cooling / setup).

So, you could do well with an opteron 165 depending on your board/bits. It only has the 9x multiplier, but assuming you stuff it in a nice DFI board, it should get to the FX-60 speeds.

The opterons are 'supposedly' made from better silicon. Whether this is true or not I'm not sure, but I do know they support a higher speed than their rating to ensure 100% stability in a server environment.

The reason not to buy an opteron is the recent HUGE price drop didn't include the opterons, and the drop makes their magic overclocking status a little less magical.

The 50% drop in most X2 chips makes them the 'smart' buy.

So you should know that apart from this magic opteron silicon and the liberal rating, the X2 Toledo is the same thing as the Opteron/FX chips. The Manchester differs slightly because it has half the L2 cache (not the end of the world in gaming).

So, choosing between the X2 4400 or 4800 would probably be the best overall 939 chip for gaming now, and into the next year or so.

Though the 4200+ is probably the best 'bang for buck' right now. Plus it comes with a better stock cooler than the 3800+, though you'd still want to stuff a better cooler on it (SI-120, 9500, etc).

But for gaming, its all about x1999xtxgtx sli crossfire 3dfx vodooo bling bling video cards... But even their prices are starting to plummet from the heavens these days.

So long as you've got 2.4GHz +, and a 2GB of good ram (running a divider to keep it between 200-240), and a slick video card, every game will fly at max res/detais. Cept Oblivion, even bill gates can't run that game at max...

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Get sum TITANIUM SERIES :twisted:

2-2-2-3
2-2-2-2
Insane timings if you ask me :D



Insanly incorrect if you ask me.

all the current ocz stuff is rated 2-3-2-5. And TI ram is just extra stable for server stability, most gamers prefer platinum. Especially if you can score cheap rev 2 with samsung TCCD chips

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Get sum TITANIUM SERIES :twisted:

2-2-2-3
2-2-2-2
Insane timings if you ask me :D



Insanly incorrect if you ask me.

all the current ocz stuff is rated 2-3-2-5. And TI ram is just extra stable for server stability, most gamers prefer platinum. Especially if you can score cheap rev 2 with samsung TCCD chips


Wich one is the best for gaming ? Platinum series or the Gold series ?

Reply to noncestvrai

What CPU do you have right now? If it's a 3700/4000+, then it is a 600/400MHz overclock away from being an FX57. The only difference between the CPUs is teh FX's unlocked multiplier and extra clock speed.

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What CPU do you have right now? If it's a 3700/4000+, then it is a 600/400MHz overclock away from being an FX57. The only difference between the CPUs is teh FX's unlocked multiplier and extra clock speed.



My last cpu was a sandiego 4000+ and I had it overclocked to 2900ghz rock stable. Thats 100mhz faster than an overpriced FX57 8)

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What CPU do you have right now? If it's a 3700/4000+, then it is a 600/400MHz overclock away from being an FX57. The only difference between the CPUs is teh FX's unlocked multiplier and extra clock speed.



My last cpu was a sandiego 4000+ and I had it overclocked to 2900ghz rock stable. Thats 100mhz faster than an overpriced FX57 8)

Case in point. I haven't tried OCing my 3700+; after all the problems I've had (and all the money I've spent) with my computer, I'm happy to have everything working at stock speeds.

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Unfortunatly its never a simple answer as 'gold' or 'platinum', though to be simple, platinum is usually better

Ocz doesn't make ram ICs, they sell other peoples. So some ocz ram come with Samsung, others winbond, or even micron, etc. And it can even change for a specific line depending on supply (ie Samsung stops making model X, so OCZ then needs to get supply from brand Y).

Some people say gold OCs better, but again, the gold with model X might, and gold with model Y might not.... Plus memory dividers makes buying fast ram like buying FX, small % performance gain for large % expense, why bother. Even tight timings bring marginal improvements. I do prefer brand name ram for quality and warranty, but its usually better to put the big money into a video card if gaming is top priority.

One day, us, the consumer, will finally get the full picture. Places like Toms definitly help, but there is still a lot of guessing to do. For example, try and figure out which panel is in which LCD monitor, and what the 'real' specs are (8bit, 6bit, etc).

The article discussing Taiwian gave me an interesting idea. The ability to scan a product bar code and know everything about it. Exact model, hence true specs from manufacturer, employees who worked on it, at which plant, and that age old question: Was it made on friday afternoon?

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