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I love the Tom Baker years -- great avy.

Isn't lack of gaming (and a few other specialized apps) support the ONLY good reason not to switch?

I haven't found any reason to switch even if it did play games. Windows does what I need it to do, and does it nicely.

I've tried Fedora Core 5, and Ubuntu 6.06, and I really had no idea what I was doing. I didn't know how to mount things, I couldn't figure out how to get ATI drivers installed, I was pretty much lost. I don't know if there were easy solutions or anything, but I felt the learning curve was a little too steep for me to casually try a new OS. I'll try it again eventually, I'm sure.

I was in the same boat the first few times I tried years ago. Once you really put yourself into learning it, you will find that it doesn't take much, and its a great OS. I really like Ubuntu 6.10 x64. Haven't tried the other versions yet.

Yeah the lack of gaming on Linux is what holds me back -- I ran Ubuntu 6.10 for about three weeks at work and managed to run my Active Directory environment from it just fine. Vista doesn't even have the adminpak tools yet so you have to remote to a Server 2003 or Windows XP box with that OS too.

I got my Ubuntu copies mailed to me, so I have the x64 version as well, just 6.06.. does it update easily? Or would I have to download a new ISO?

I've also heard of same apps geared towards emulating Windows games, I know WINE was one of them, I can't remember what the other was called, but it might have been for OSX, I can't remember.

The only major issue I had with windows, was I had a copy of XP that I got legally through my school for very cheap. I had been buying new parts and such, upgrading my PC, then when I tried to install XP again, it told me I couldn't activate because my hardware had changed too significantly. I called and asked them to fix that problem, and they refused, telling me that I have to buy a new copy because I installed it on too many PCs. I wasn't thrilled, so I said I wasn't paying for something I already own, and hung up, downloaded a copy of XP that had SP2 on it (mine didn't), and installed that. The great thing about it, is that it doesn't prompt for a CD key, or activation, it updates, fools WGA, and is all around easier to install. A classic case of pirating being easier on me than using a legitimate copy. Although, am I really pirating? It is XP Pro, and that's would I have.

Never done an update, but I think its supposed to be a fairly painless process. Easier than Windows at least.

WINE will work for some games, but it can be tricky to get working, and it still doesn't work for most games.

What you are saying illustrates one of my major problems with Windows and MS. They are thieves, and disguise it by accusing us as such. They also make it more sensible to install a pirated copy, even if you bought a legit one. Unfortunately, I think their lawyers would claim that's illegal also.

Nothing like M$ treating legal users as thieves when they (tried: I always peruse the updates) to install the windows validation tool, how many legitimate windows users suddenly had the pride and joy stop working after 1 hour; lesson learned: never have fully automatic updates on.

Gaming on PC's is great, M$ has just made it convincing others to develop on DX10 and throwing away any and all support for openGL.
and CryENGINE 2 has me drolling, but I just got sick of buying a video card, and buying another 1 year later to play {insert lasted & greatest game} (get me some of this &, we can see &&& bars}
I do like console gaming just put the disc in and play!

Linux games unmmmhhheeeerrrr ?... ... ... http://tremulous.net/ {that one right, I hope it doesn't have tux in it]
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Linux_gaming
Emulation works great under linux! -sighs {DISCLAIMER: YOU MUST OWN THE GAMES, 'coughs'}

quad-processor for $10
http://cgi.ebay.com/Javelin-Pro-Se [...] dZViewItem

It is legal to make a backup of a DVD, it is illegal to circumvent the copy protection scheme {IN THE US}.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Digit [...] yright_Act

so if Blue-Ray / HD-DVD disc comes with out protection you can back-it-up?

See, I'm picturing games taking a huge performance hit on Linux due to the need to emulate, and in essence I would need to spend more on hardware to get the same performance, if I'm lucky. I also don't know too much about development on nix platforms, I'm in my 4th year as a comp sci major and I'm pretty much used to using Visual Studio. I don't do any MFC but I will have to learn it soon as required by my current job. Kinda sucks that developing in C++ or C that I need to know how to do it per platform. But in gaming it really isn't a big deal, as the market is geared towards Windows anyway.

Would be nice if it wasn't, although I wouldn't want to see OS X become a gaming platform. I'd rather stick with PC's. nix would do nicely, although I'm pretty sure it will never happen as DX has pretty much locked them out. Which I don't really understand, we have fantastic engines like the Doom 3 engine (Q4 and whatever) in OGL, and in my experience, it is pretty damn easy to use OGL, maybe I haven't gotten advanced enough but I've read that DX is very messy.

lets just delete that
[sensors self]

OSX as a gaming machine... good one
you can play nanosaur and halo 1, with intel integrated graphics!

Hoo boy...

That is the funniest quote i have seen yet...

Seriously, I go away to Vegas for a weekend of poker tournaments and come back to find this discussion thread is:
A) still going.
B) moved on from DRM and Digg to the topics of Linux and Mac gaming.

Fascinating. And just for the record, I still play some games on my 3-year-old iMac (which I bought before Apple switched to Intel, sadly) and it's awesome. The frame rates on Fallout are fantastic, for example. Sure, Call of Duty 2 sometimes chokes like a dog trying to vomit mouthfuls of grass, but every system has it's drawbacks, right?

More on how the Indu$try gets rich on DRM.
so it cost more to buy/rebuy stuff needed to play DRM disc than it would if there was no NEW DRM.

{sucks on noob award...}

Is it morally wrong to circumvent DRM? What if I buy the movies and a Disc drive and I unscramble them so I can watch on my pre-existing hardware
http://forum.slysoft.com/showthread.php?t=4255

- Rob "its illegal, you dont get it, it's illegal. how many times do we need to go through this? how many times do we need to go through this? how many times?"

Sorry, I hijacked the thread.

iMac gaming eh? lol. Are those the ones with the PC built into the monitor? Or are those eMacs or something like that.. well, I plan on building my own using an old monitor case and some PC parts. I'll have an LCD screen mounted to where the tube screen used to be I'll use my trusty Athlon XP 1900+ lol.

Five pages over a rant on, when it comes to copyrights, there's no grey area, no fair use, as it's prevented by DRM.

Always the same "it'll let people pirate" argument. My car lets me run people down as well, but nobody's taking it away, nor am I doing it.

I'd prefer they prosecute piracy and not spend the money adding the DRM which WILL be bypassed by 13 year olds. How many times do we have to go through this?