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You obviously haven't learned have you? The reason people correct you is because you have absolutely no clue.

Well; let's take Helium (or any other substance that happens to greet us in a gassy form at RT). What would we need to do that?

Very rigid and strong tubing. Not the plastic stuff you get in water cooling kits. Hope you got some spare change for that.

An interface, to refill. Some of you might have poured liquid nitrogen into a bowl for fun. But Oxygen (Hidihoe to all the smokers out there) and Helium (brrrr.....)...?? Take the valve for that and attach it to your system. Don't forget gloves and VERY good eye protection. You still got the greens for this?

AND. The supply. Those gasses will evaporate pretty quickly, no matter how clever you are. So be prepared for the big 60 BAR/50 klio bottles, which will be very expensive by the way. You have a basement? nice. Take the truck you need to transport these bottles with into account also.

Why are we discussing this anyway? You really wanna speculate over something you never ever will be capable of doing?



I'm wondering if you have a clue...
First: you wouldnt need strong tubes. You'll need isolated tubes...
Second: I work on a lab and we got plenty of those bottles.
Third: i am not planning on doing it cause im too lazy.
fourth: this is something for extreme overclocking that would work very good. I mean why the hell would they use neon in refridgerators if it wouldnt cool like hell? And trust me those people are a lot smarter than you and me disgussing this theoratical cooling.
Owh yeah and 5th if somethings a gas it doesnt mean it cannot be very cold. Air is a mixtures of gasses as well and still 99% of the computers use it to cool. And neon is a gas till 27K. If it is a gas its even easier to make it cool things because its easier to let it flow...

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I'm wondering if you have a clue...
First: you wouldnt need strong tubes. You'll need isolated tubes...
Second: I work on a lab and we got plenty of those bottles.
Third: i am not planning on doing it cause im too lazy.
fourth: this is something for extreme overclocking that would work very good. I mean why the hell would they use neon in refridgerators if it wouldnt cool like hell? And trust me those people are a lot smarter than you and me disgussing this theoratical cooling.
Owh yeah and 5th if somethings a gas it doesnt mean it cannot be very cold. Air is a mixtures of gasses as well and still 99% of the computers use it to cool. And neon is a gas till 27K. If it is a gas its even easier to make it cool things because its easier to let it flow...

MAH PROW-PANE TANKS GETS AWL CAWLD N WETS AS AH USES EM.

Seriously though.

Something you mentioned before, about "why are you talking about things you'll never do." I could point out that we both might like talking about going to the Moon, and the statistical unliklihood of me personally going to the Moon is irrelevant to the intellectual excitement at the engineering challenge let alone emotional excitement.

However, I must point out that you may be talking about something you will never do that, unlike Moon bases, is self-immolating and self-defeating to contemplate. That being: educate the willfully ignorant. Let him be. If he wants to entertain Star Trek-style psedo-science, let him. It doesn't hurt you unless he's President. Rather spend your time daydreaming of Moon bases and the dim, frothy shores of distant oceans younger than Man and consider what, and if, and how things crawl out of it. Or make love to your wife. Either way.

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lol im not complaining about talkin about stuff that you will not actually do. I'm a daydreamer myself :) fluff seems to be the realist :)

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I just thought of this a minute ago. But some of the older Cray super computers actually used liqud nitrogen to cool the system. Personally I think it would work best to just put the entire computer in a closed room by itself with 12 to 18 inches of AeroGel as insulation and then use some liquified gas maybe helium, hydrogen what ever you want and cool the entier room. With the AeroGel insulation you could keep the entire room superchilled with very little work and very little gas as a coolant. AeroGels insulation properties are unmatched by any insulation I have seen although it is VERY expensive expecially if you want to enclose an entier room but it would theoretically keep the room without the computer running at a steady sub sub zero temperature for days or weeks regardless of the temperature outside of the closed room.

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now your on to something.. wire up external drives... and use all software to overclock it. wouldn't even have to open up that super insulated room... and it wouldn't have to be a room.. could be a nice small box.

Small box would surely cut the cost down.. now you just have to worry about the other cash money for the gas...and the insulation stuff... and the components.. and and.. yea. Cover the rest of the ands...

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liquid hydrogen?




No such thing as far as I know. There is a theoretical metallic form of H but you might have to dig into Jupiter’s core to get some.

Sorry :cry: As a hobby, I'm studying how hydrogen engines work because I like cars and engineering and I hate reliance on oil companies. Unfortunately, I never studied chemistry in high school :lol:

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I'd say helium is the stupidiest idea ive ever heard...
Ever seen what happenend to the hindenburg?...



that was hydrogen..

Yes, holymacaroni, you forgot about that small part of the atom that makes the biggest difference...

Liquid air has been used... still got to be nutz..

Who knows if Liquid Helium is conductive.

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Who knows if Liquid Helium is conductive.



You mean electrical conductivity? Err, you can do beter than that. As you know, He is a noble gas - extremely unreactive and its electrons are tightly bound. You can look at sites like this and see that it says no electrical conductivity data are known. Then look at that ionization potential and - voila! - it makes sense... Noble gas... Unreactive... Super high ionization potential... Super low boiling point... Common sense tells you that the electrical conductivity of liquid He is low. Go look here,then scroll down to where it says:

"Helium is chemically unreactive under all normal conditions due to its valence of zero. It is an electrical insulator unless ionized. As with the other noble gases, helium has metastable energy levels that allow it to remain ionized in an electrical discharge with a voltage below its ionization potential."

Now just in case that gets you all excited, remember that it's not too easy to form a plasma in liquid helium. Due to its super-high ionization potentail you have to work to get a plasma going in gaseous He. Maybe this is a potential area of research for you? Pay attention to the part where the author says "high electric fields"... And you can find numbers like here,but I didn't dig to see if that was liquid or gas (I assume gas?). For comparison, the numbers for gaseous H are 5 to 10X higher.

You mean thermal conductivity? You can't mean thermal conductivity? It's shown in the above reference as being 0.152 W/mK. But there's no need to go off about liquid He having a low thermal conductivity - it's actually reasonably high. With a boiling point of ~4K, it will do a good job of cooling whatever you want to cool.

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as a semiconductor heats up (silicon), it will conduct BETTER, at a temperature such as 3K it would not conduct at all FULLSTOP.

and the fact that the helium would all be boiling everywhere once it got near the warm chip would cause problems too.

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as a semiconductor heats up (silicon), it will conduct BETTER, at a temperature such as 3K it would not conduct at all FULLSTOP.

and the fact that the helium would all be boiling everywhere once it got near the warm chip would cause problems too.



Fullstop? Is that submarine lingo?

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