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Well Said.

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well, that wasn't the point...the point was that both consoles and PC's are good for what they're for. Let's just leave it at that.

Reply to unbiased4u

Hmm...ignorance. I'd call it ignorance to attribute respect based upon credentials, rather than character. You could discover the cure for aids yet still be an ass-hole -- I'd value the discovery, but the person may not deserve respect in one way or another.

Sure, I'll play along. It is common for people to look more "highly" upon those who get down to the nitty-gritty. I change my oil, replace my air filter occasionally and other "easy" auto tasks. I have built many computers and would only consider a pre-built if I were back in the market for a laptop. Still, my original fault with rwarits (or whatever his name is) was that he carried a highfalutin attitude. It seemed to me that he (in his mind) placed people in different categories based upon their PC technical savviness ... which is arrogance. I only meant to point out how stupid an attitiude that was. Being a nuclear physicist (for example) is something to said of, but putting together a PC is no more than assembling a lego space-ship. How ignorant is it to carry pride in that? Arrogant/Ignorant, those two words inter-twine in my wordings here.

Again, when I made the comment concerning the "better person" -- I was referring to something much deeper than specialization in a particular field or situation. Someone who is "better off" is patently different than someone who is simply a "better person."

Reply to ArbY

Pah, I used to pay people to help me with my homework :)

Reply to ethel

All this talk about computers being as easy as a lego setup is so funny. I wish it was that easy then i wouldnt have to do it for about 10 people i know who have tried many times to try and figure it all out with only a handfull figureing out just enough to get the thing to turn on when they hit power. Some day they will get to that point but considering a mass majority cant even do it even after years of trying i would believe more it isnt there yet.

Actualy if i was going to compare legos with a system it would defanitly be a console i mean you plug it into the wall the tv the controlers and maybe a network and its done. I mean you could buy a prebuilt computer but who truly wants to have crap?

Reply to EnFoRceR22

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But watever the Wii is 'supposed' to be good...



Yeah sure, if you dont mind it looking like you are conducting an orchestra while your gaming :roll:

Reply to RobsX2

you can get controlers as well. The wireless "remote" im sure will prove to be vary nice.

Reply to EnFoRceR22

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But watever the Wii is 'supposed' to be good...



Yeah sure, if you dont mind it looking like you are conducting an orchestra while your gaming :roll:

lol, im looking foward to this orchestra game i saw one for wii...

Reply to mandraque

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All this talk about computers being as easy as a lego setup is so funny. I wish it was that easy then i wouldnt have to do it for about 10 people i know who have tried many times to try and figure it all out with only a handfull figureing out just enough to get the thing to turn on when they hit power. Some day they will get to that point but considering a mass majority cant even do it even after years of trying i would believe more it isnt there yet.

Actualy if i was going to compare legos with a system it would defanitly be a console i mean you plug it into the wall the tv the controlers and maybe a network and its done. I mean you could buy a prebuilt computer but who truly wants to have crap?



I agree with whoever your replying to somewhat... my first PC build was quite easy, and not nearly as hard as many people made it sound. I also think the person your replying to clarified that its like legos to people that actually try to do these things, not the people that are totally shocked when they see a PC. I guess certain types of people find it easy, just like some people find legos easy.

Small beans meh.

Reply to buckiller

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I dissagree with the fact that you guys think that consols are just for noobs. And that PC's are for "true people". Seriously, why is it that basically all pc gamers act like pricks on these forums. That may change once I get my artic silver 5... its the last piece i need for my conroe system, but still. You guys need to lay off. 8O



No not noob's just simple minded people, that for the most part live aimless lives as players rarely holding positions of significance to society. Us computer gamer are more likely to be those who make a difference. :D

I really get tired of this argument over who is better console people or pc people. Now I myself fall in the pc catergory since the last console I owned was the N64 although my pc is about 5 or 6 years old as it stands now. But the main thing is consoles and pc are fundamentally different. If you want a box to only play games thena console is probally your best bet, but if you want a box that you can play games and surf the web etc then the pc is the way to go. Frankly the vast majority of people have pc's and consoles. Your choice of gaming rig bears little correlation to who you are only to the size of your wallet since a gaming pc to play current games at decent res is going to cost you more than any console by far. And I wouldn't be supised if there are some console player out there who could whip a pc gamer at some games (multiplayer online) that are on both systems although the pc does have the superior control scheme.

Edit: Rock on my 100th post I'm official now. 8)

Reply to biohazard420420

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Hmm...ignorance. I'd call it ignorance to attribute respect based upon credentials, rather than character. You could discover the cure for aids yet still be an ass-hole -- I'd value the discovery, but the person may not deserve respect in one way or another.



Who said it was based on 'credentials'? But respect is earned for acts, and the act of building a PC earns respect in a hardware forum. Never having done that puts you at a dissadvantage for understanding the entire process. And when talking about hardware it's not a 'character issue' Mother Theresa wouldn't have been a respectable source of information on technology trends, and by the same extension being an a$$hole has nothing to do with either aspect. A$$holes build PCs, a$$holes buy pre-builts, respect as a PC enthusiast source is different than respect as a person. Do I respect Stephen Hawking as a model of morality? NO! Do I respect him and admire him for his command of physics and related mathematical sciences? Sure! But neither are related.

I agree with most of the rest of what you say, the thing to remember is that this thread involved some pretty far off generalities before that point and alot of people will reply to hyperbole with more hyperbole, so it's to be expected somewhat I think.

But it's not really about the 'better person' it's about the more credable argument about what's easier and if there is to be any valuation given, then definitely like I said I'd give it to the person who gets their hands dirty be it a console moder or DIY pc builder. It doesn't mean I want them to housesit or anything, it's just for specifically tech related stuff, I'd rather have Mother Theresa watch the house, although I'd be worried I'd come back and it'd be an orphanage or soup kitchen, so maybe get Stephen to watch the house. :twisted:

Reply to TheGreatGrapeApe

What I meant by the PC being just as simple as a console was that anyone could go to Dell.com and buy their own gaming computer. And computer are cheaper, but a $465 computer from Cyberpower isn't too good gaming either.

I realize that you can use console controllers on PCs, and you are right, it is a BS point. I was just using other people's previous arguments into a long list to get to my final point. Those lines may or may not be my actual opinion.

I'm sorry if I didn't make that clear. My bad :lol:

Reply to unbiased4u

I'm real late I know but just thought I'd add my 2 cents.

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Did you buy your current car or did you build it? I'm assuming you went to a car dealer and bought it. Such a simple person you are :lol:

I see what your getting at but the car thing can be turned around as well. Some of you consollers do actually admit that the PC is superior but more expensive. Basically, you get what you pay for. You can have a Toyota Corrolla (360 or PS3) for cheap or shell out the extra Cash and buy a BMW M3 (High end PC that's better than the consoles) and pwn'em!!!!!!!!

I'm not going to say one is a better performer than the other cause that's just retarded, we all know the answer anyway. Let's say they are equal in performance, you still have way more that you can do on the pc.

Heck, we wouldn't even be on this forum if it wasn't for PC's.

Reply to Dade_0182

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You can have a Toyota Corrolla (360 or PS3) for cheap or shell out the extra Cash and buy a BMW M3 (High end PC that's better than the consoles) and pwn'em!!!!!!!!



Of course your BMW will probably break down before the Toyota, but then again you had more fun driving it and drove it to the limit.

Reply to ethel

I'm sorry ill say this only because its a car refference. When you have money you dont buy POS cars like toyotas and hondas and dont care about a car that actualy has power breaking down because you have hte money to fix it. Not that ima fan of BMW either but japanese cars are total crap.

Reply to EnFoRceR22

This reply isn't directed to anyone in particular, but OMFG let this thread die already.

Reply to kaotao

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I'm sorry ill say this only because its a car refference. When you have money you dont buy POS cars like toyotas and hondas and dont care about a car that actualy has power breaking down because you have hte money to fix it. Not that ima fan of BMW either but japanese cars are total crap.



So you buy crudely built American (98% of them anyway) shite instead. Let me guess, you drive a pick-up with a gun rack on the back? The simple spelling errors in your post would indicate that that's about your level of intelligence.

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But respect is earned for acts, and the act of building a PC earns respect in a hardware forum.



Only for people who haven't done it before, then when they build one they find out that it's actually really easy. Building a PC today is up there with such lofty achievements like:

- Tying your shoelaces and,
- Not swallowing your tounge.

Building a 486 based PC, now THERE's a challenge.

Reply to r0x0r

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The simple spelling errors in your post would indicate that that's about your level of intelligence.



Please man, spelling/ grammar has nothing to do with intelligence...

Reply to buckiller

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Not that ima fan of BMW either but japanese cars are total crap.



What a stupid comment. Japanese cars are far more reliable than pretty much any other car. Period.

Reply to RobsX2

As much as i see it ill never get over the ammount of ignorance people exibit. My spelling as bad as it is does not reprasent my IQ ffs find a new insult people. Most japanese cars are made with small under powered engines which all of us should know the more power you put into a smaller engine the faster it will burn its self out. Anyways its irrelavent buy a pos japanese car if you want doesnt matter to me. Next time i write a artical for a newspaper ill try and use more proper grammor for you k? The southern refference was colorfull but like i said before ignorant much as your classification that southerners are idiots. Btw anyone who knows how to take care of a car can make it last long after the point in which it would have been resold. Personaly i dont use a car for more then 75k to 100k miles which any car made in the past 10 years can do easly.

Reply to EnFoRceR22

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Not that ima fan of BMW either but japanese cars are total crap.



What a stupid comment. Japanese cars are far more reliable than pretty much any other car. Period.

I agree. For the most part (at least for now) that is true. Sadly...

Reply to unbiased4u

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Not that ima fan of BMW either but japanese cars are total crap.



What a stupid comment. Japanese cars are far more reliable than pretty much any other car. Period.

I agree. For the most part (at least for now) that is true. Sadly...

how the F*** did this conversation turn to cars...btw BMW is the shitznit!

Reply to mandraque

Consoles are different from PC's because they're games don't have to go from Program-DirectX-Driver, they can access hardware directly and that gives consoles a boost. They still aren't comparable to Pc's though. PS2 has like a 200MHZ processor.

Reply to Loser777

Thats true for consoles that arent XboX. Do they still have a stripped windows 2000 OS on a rom chip?

Reply to EnFoRceR22

On the subject of cars:

Japanese cars are pretty good in general... im thinking Honda/Nissan.

American cars are pretty much the bottom of the first world barrel.

Reply to buckiller

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American cars are pretty much the bottom of the first world barrel.



Even Australia is able to export to the States :lol: (Pontiac)

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Most japanese cars are made with small under powered engines which all of us should know the more power you put into a smaller engine the faster it will burn its self out



That's why I'm able to buy a 1988 Nissan Skyline R32 GT-R with the original engine in it, which still works, never mind that it pulls a 12.9sec 1/4 mile stock. How about the Toyota with the 2JZ-GTE (Supra) and it's capacity to support around 800hp on stock internals...

Also, since when has brute force ever made something faster? The Prescott ran at a higher frequency than the Core Duo yet it's slower and runs MUCH hotter, which will mean that, theoretically, it won't last as long.

Now what were you saying about ignorance?

Reply to r0x0r

Nice comparasin vs a cpu with no moving parts and a car engine with moving parts. It has no value whatsoever nice try though. I'm not talking about higher end tweaked cars here im talking about your everyday car lets take a honda civic for example small underpowered engine that will last a long time. not sure how you think a comparasin witha engine and a cpu makes any sense whatsoever that is what im talking about when im talking about ignorance actualy failure to see the whole picture. you compair apples and oranges which has nothing to do with what i was talking about. Every car maker makes the average car a mid rang and a high end car. The point was the smaller the enging and hte more power you put into a smaller engine the faster it will burn out. Its pretty simple. Also the more moving parts the greater the chance it will break down. BTW who even said anything about brute force in the first place?

Actualy come to think of it who gives a shit this isnt a car forum next time ill try not to step on someones ego.

Reply to EnFoRceR22

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Nice comparasin vs a cpu with no moving parts and a car engine with moving parts. It has no value whatsoever nice try though.



Same principal; brute force solves nothing. If it did rotary engines wouldn't have been baneed from nearly every form of motorsport and Osama Bin Laden would have been caught by now (ooh, controversial!)

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The point was the smaller the enging and hte more power you put into a smaller engine the faster it will burn out.



Theoretically true. Please remember though that there is no substitute for engineering. The Chevrolet LS1 and LS2 motors seem to have a bad habit of failing with less than 10,000km (6,211 miles) on the clock.

Reply to r0x0r

I'm still not talking about brute force in anyway whatsoever. there is no theory about it the more power into a smaller engine has to work harder hence it burns out faster you can design it to last longer or not but the fact is it burns out faster. Problem with the cpu thing is if that cpu had a good design it would have been fast as all hell with that clock speed. it wasnt that the brute force as you put it was wrong just the design of the cpu. However once again has nothing to do with what i was saying. You can goto any car company and see problems like that but then again i dont actualy care if my car gets me where i want to go with no problems thats all i care about. i have had many car in the past 14 years all american cars that i used for 140k miles with no issues other then some random things like power windows failing ect. I could go back to each one of them and drive it today but wth would i want to? maybe someone else would but not me i dont care once its hits 100k miles im looking for a new care no matter what im driving. I'm not even going to pretend i know what your talking about in that first part of your post so ill ignore it.

Reply to EnFoRceR22

Here's info for rotary engines (the first part of my post):

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wankel_engine

Anyway, you won't believe this but when I read your previous post I found myself actually in agreeance. Imagine how much quicker the, say, Veilside R1 (0-300kmh in 13.72. Go to www.exvitermini.com, then go to movies and select RH9 0-300km/h), would be with a more powerful engine. Then again, you wouldn't be able to find tyres to contain the power generated :lol:

Enough about cars!

P.S. The Saleen S7 rocks harder than granite...and it's American.

Reply to r0x0r

indeed enough about cars. Was a niec video though. I'm not to big on cars really use to be but not really anymore. Anyways if i pissed someone off with my comments i appolagise now :o

Reply to EnFoRceR22

No worries mate! :wink:

Now about the PS3's graphical capabilites...

Someone?...

Anyone?...

Reply to r0x0r

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Not that ima fan of BMW either but japanese cars are total crap.



What a stupid comment. Japanese cars are far more reliable than pretty much any other car. Period.

I agree. For the most part (at least for now) that is true. Sadly...

how the F*** did this conversation turn to cars...btw BMW is the shitznit!I'll give that a HELL YEAH!!!!! I just love my beemer. The best car I've ever had.

It was prolly my fault for bringing up the car thing from page 2 in page 7 but at least it stopped the console vs pc pissing contest.

Reply to Dade_0182

Wow..
None of you have or ever will get laid.
Who gives a *** what you play on.

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