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To me, the quality difference between the x1950 and 8800GTX is the same as the difference between the 7900GTX and the x1950.

The x1950 is better than the 7900, the 8800 is better than the x1950, but there isnt alot in it, and its barely noticable to normal people

i still say that buying a 8800series card is not a good idea... why ?
because something like 8900GTS (that is faster than 8800GTX & Cheaper) will come in a few months (like 7900GT) & you will cry because you spend 1200$ on a 8800GTX SLI setup...
anyone of you with a 79xx series or X19xx series can play all the new games well ,so why you want to spend a lot of cash on the FIRST directx10 card ??
at least wait until ATI release the new DX10 Cards...
whatever,its you money!

There is no notible difference in those pic's, to me they both look like the same screen shot, just labelled differently, i would say the 8800gt screenie looks better if you slipped me some cool hard cash under the table for a good review.

i'm going to repeat this one more time. due to the fact it is a SCREENSHOT of OBLIVION it is impossibble to use it as evidence of better IQ as they image is not the same so how can you compare....the answer is you can't.

now if you have looked at another picture which is the exact same spot and using the excat same settigns and you think it is better then fine but you have to have the exact same image to do it.

i only need to remind you all of the difficulties reviewers, or at least honest reviewers had in benching oblvion. it was made clear that you coulnd't just load a save game and fololow the same path as the game would be different each time. same thing applies to screen shots.

Are you sure i am an aerobatic pilot and When I am performing an aerobatic ruotine (just like a fighter pilot preforming a mudane mission) you do NOT notice that much different if fps

anandtech had a better review on the 8800, where there are better samples of AA and AF between the 8800 and x1950, while I had a little trouble telling the difference at first, they provide zooms which really show you the difference.

I agree and im having second thoughts on the one I ordered. My X1900XT is serving me well right now and I think I just got a little too excited and jumped the gun. I will most likely send it back to the Egg when I get it Tuesday.

I just have a funny feeling that in a couple of months I will be sorry for not waiting on the Red Team.

LooL... gpu's will be bundled with a magnifying glass kit...

Most interesting was Bit-Tech's review which showed a similarity than many people thought had disappeared, the rough mipmap transitions;

http://www.bit-tech.net/hardware/2 [...] 80/10.html

even with all that power available they still cannot get that. then again there are not too many games that you notice it that much. still, after all that fuss about how good the AF was there are still flaws. its kinda reassuring to know that we still have a way to go to get things right.

I have all but made up my mind that I will send back the 8800GTX that I ordered when it gets here tomorrow. I'm still very happy with my X1900XT and I have a real funny feeling that if I don't wait it out a bit I will be sorry.

I just sat there flicking back and forth between the three full size shots, and i honestly couldnt see a difference, at all.

The whole IQ thing that ATi fans have been touting has always ment very little to me tbh

I think you're missing the point, they are the same in that section, and that's the point. Somethig no one seems able to solve, it's just an example of how there's still al little more room to improve. If you look at the previous page you can compared the screenies there to see the quality differences, the GF7 has very obvious Moire, and the G8 appears to have some and the X1K has a bit, but it's unclear what better between the X1K and G8, I see better further IQ for the G8, but I also see more moire there (although it could be some vestige of the cobble stone pattern). In game the moire, especially on the GF7 would be very noticeable in game and almost strobe at you. That's why the the improved IQ of the G80 is of such interest.

But the point is that that rough transition you see on the bridge appears on all the cards, and the ideal would be if it just went off into the distance without that abrupt break. That break becomes noticeable in game because it too moves with the character. It's persistance is a little dissapointing.

are you sure they have the right settings as i don't get that in my game. just checked and while it is quite pronounced in them images i don't get it in my game. one way i think i can see it is if i fire off a flare and watch where the light stop being visible on the ground. not sure if that is just cause of the games engine or what though.

Yeah I don't know.

I know that there were more pronounced transitions on both the X1K and G80 in many other reviews but that was with ATi and nV running their default floptimized AF but when they were disabled in drivers they were fine, but Bit-Tech is running all 3 cards at max which disables optimizations, so this seems like the rare extreme, but it does illustrate that possibility. Of course I have angle dependant AF on the MRX700 so I can't compare personally. Perhaps Cleeve can check.

True enough... which is why I think that was a stupid thing to compare, because it doesn't show the quality of the G80's AF.