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Well, the 975X FSB doesn't go as high as the P965, but me tests show it performs better, and it has full Crossfire support. It's even one of the chipsets that reportedly works with hacked drivers to allow SLi mode.

Reply to Crashman
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Fair enough. I have no personal experience with them so I am just going on what I've read. I have tried the hacked drivers on a RD580 board.... and it wasn't a go. I really wish they would just open the drivers up like they should. I really want to go through their code line by line in and figure it out.

Reply to SuperFly03
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975X is a better chipset than P965....


No it's not.

1. I have no intentions of using SLI/Crossfire.

2. The P965 motherboards have shown to be stronger and faster overclockers in the "real world" than the i975x or even 680i from what I've seen so far. Factor in price, and I prefer P965 at the moment.

Reply to Tyhr

The 975X is a high-end chipset, the P965 is a lower-cost mainstream chipset. The P965 is designed to be a lower-end part. It does get to higher FSB's, but it means nothing to me for a chipset to run only to 380MHz FSB when that gets me 3.8GHz from this CPU...which is more than the CPU will actually run stabley.

Reply to Crashman

That is why I am going RD600... I am shooting for north of 4GHz on a C2D. I won't be doing it on air or water, rather TEC. I've been waiting several months for this chipset.

Reply to SuperFly03

Dec 15th that sux =(, I am leaving the USA around the 20th, don't know if I'll take the plunge right away!

Thinking of getting a P5B-E or P5B-dlx and get a better board this summer. :?

Reply to Anonymous

Just get a friend to smuggle one over. Those border patrol guards don't check for anything. In fact, your border patrol guards aren't allowed to carry guns, so when a guy is seen walking towards the border with a gun, all the guards leave and go into hiding (true story, read it on fark!)

Reply to Doughbuy
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Just get a friend to smuggle one over. Those border patrol guards don't check for anything. In fact, your border patrol guards aren't allowed to carry guns, so when a guy is seen walking towards the border with a gun, all the guards leave and go into hiding (true story, read it on fark!)


Yes, it's true. But they weren't hiding, they were getting snowballs. They are deadly accurate with snowballs. Snowballs > bullets. That's a true story, and proven by Canada's lack of successful terrorist attacks.

Just don't let the snowballs hit your motherboard, and you'll be fine. :)

Reply to Tyhr

Lol thanks for the advices!

I am already smuggling a radar detector, a tuniq tower and a Tj09 =)

Btw, even if that deal on the GTX/GTS you found was really sweet, I didn't have any cash flow =( and I can probably get it when I come back to Canada for almost the same price.

The only problem with the motherboard is that it takes a few weeks before he receive the stuff, he's getting his first batch of P5N32-E next week to give you an idea. And I need a PC up and running by christmas...

Reply to Anonymous

Hmmm Christmas, that's cutting it close. Canada always seems to get screwed out of things, although Europe usually gets screwed even more.

Well, then in your case, hope the RD600 isin't much better than the 680i and things should be fine!

R600 however...

Reply to Doughbuy
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Consider buying an Asrock Dual-VSTA. $70-80Cdn or $50US for Xmas.
Then you'll have your working computer for Xmas, and some time to see the reviews come in. Wait until March hits (or whenever prices drop), and buy the motherboard you want.

Consider the money spent on the Asrock as a "rental" spare tire, LoL.
(I'm actually seriously considering this, as I can re-use my DDR memory and older AGP card. Hoping prices for DDR2 drop more by then, then get something top of the line.)

Reply to Tyhr

Yeah not that bad of an idea. I might be able to score an old 775 board that support C2D for a bargain through my friend, remains to be seen.

Man the layout is PERFECT on this board, plus with the no mofset to cool =), I mean I gotta have it. =(

The P5N32-E is ok expect for the IDE placement which royally suck and there's not SATA opticals that are decently price it's bad for my cable management!
Argh!

Since I intend to get a 8800GTS, those x16 slots will probably be wasted to =(.

Dilemma...

Reply to Anonymous

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Release date announced - December 15.

http://www.dailytech.com/article.aspx?newsid=5127

Just thought I would share.


About damn time!
Its going to be 6 phase digital VRMs!
The only downside then would be that the phyx card must be one slot, but this doesnt seem to be too limiting since that more than youll ever need.

PS: The OP has been edited.

Reply to rwaritsdario

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On a kind of off topic note...

Its really annoying me that ATi and nVidia both put in artificial driver restrictions to lock Xfire/SLi into their respective motherboards.

Its anti-competitive imho, ATi and nVidia should be required by law to allow their multi-GPU systems to run on Intel, ATi, or nVidia chipset mobos. After all it is supposed to be a free market, and if, for example, R600 turns out to be 3x as fast as G80 and RD600 turns out to have a 270MHz max FSB and dire memory performance compared to nForce 680i, I should be able to choose each on its own merits and go R600+nForce680i

(I know by the way that R600 WONT be 3* the speed of G80 and that RD600 will hit way more than 270MHz before you all start correcting me)

If I want to run R600 Xfire on an nForce 680i, I should be able to. If I want to run G80 SLi on an RD600, I should be able to.

Basically this mobo looks sexy but if I buy a G80 then this cuts off my SLi upgrade path :(

/rant


Hacked drives can run xfire/sli on anything.

Reply to ak47is1337

Not really. There was a version of the ForceWare that only ran on certain south bridges, one of the ULI ones if I remember, M1570 or something but I know it wasn't M1575 (mainly because I have that south bridge and they didn't work lol).

Reply to SuperFly03

From what I've read, the hacked ULI-SLI driver works with most 975X chipset boards, but few or no ATI chipset boards.

Reply to Crashman

That was my understanding as well. Intel basically sets up the chipset for SLI but doesn't officially support it... but with the ATi/AMD merger, who knows what will happen.

Reply to SuperFly03

Ugh... yeah, so I'm probably going to stick with what works best with what, RD600 if R600 is better, 680i if G80 is better, doubt the ATI or nVidia chipset will allow even hacked drivers...

Reply to Doughbuy

The NDA will be lifted on Dec 4th, so expect reviews to pop out just days after!
...from DFI themselves.

Reply to rwaritsdario

schweet, should make life easier or harder for me hehe

Reply to Anonymous

Good info, thanks.

Reply to SuperFly03
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Got a linky?

Reply to 3lfk1ng

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Got a linky?


What will you want after? To show you my boxers??
Let's just say a little birdie told me 8)

Reply to rwaritsdario
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thanks for the info dude! nice one.. righteous! :twisted:

it's only the vga card we are waiting for..

Reply to chrone

Another Tidbit in that article


Talking about the striker:

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In initial testing we have reached 7x534FSB with our retail E6600 sample and general performance has been excellent. We will be comparing this board to our EVGA 680i, Intel BadAxe2, and hopefully the DFI RD600 board if it is not delayed again in the near future.



Why mention the delay, expect for the fact that it's been delayed many times =|

Reply to Anonymous

7*534... on an e6600?

unlocked multiplier downward in bios??

Reply to Doughbuy

Yeah why not?
Most C2D motherboard support that now, expect for Intel BadAxe...

Asus market it something like: Adjust speed like you want

Reply to Anonymous

Meh, usually I find a higher OC without reducing the multiplier.

Sigh, I want to see reviews... sad.. wait...

I stop work on the 15th... and I go skiing on the 20th.. when I get back, Dec. 30th or so, then I can start my build...

Oh yeah, Imma be skiing up in Vancouver, I think. Looks like I be partying with the Canuks.

Reply to Doughbuy

heheh, skying is wicked over there!

I kinda enjoy the Colorado skying while I am in here!

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Oh yeah, Imma be skiing up in Vancouver, I think. Looks like I be partying with the Canuks.



Dude, we have tons of snow up here. Even in the city we had almost a foot last week. Normally it will only snow once a year about 1-2 inches, so this is pretty crazy for us. Where are you coming from?

Reply to gm0n3y

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The NDA will be lifted on Dec 4th, so expect reviews to pop out just days after!
...from DFI themselves.



Now what ??
8)

I feel like cartman waiting for the Nintendo Wii
commmmonnn, commmonnn, might freeze myself for the next 2 weeks =)

Reply to Anonymous

Thought it might interest you

Lower multipler / Different strap

Apparently something similar is going on with 680i, big bandwidth drop between 424mhz and 425... Interesting info. It might explain the "dead spot" in FSB on the 680

Reply to Anonymous

Now we do have we have been done all this time. We wait in staggering anticipation.

680i had a lot of dead FSBs in its very first BIOS revision, this I believe has been fixed.

Reply to rwaritsdario

Yeah I think many have, some apparently still exist.

The P5N32-e seams like a pretty solid board overall. If we see asus tweaking it and extracting perf like they did with the P5B-DLx could be a winner.

Probably no contest to Oscar Wu, but it does seem pretty slick

Reply to Anonymous

You should get it and write a review :wink: I'm sure I could squeeze it into DaClan's blog.

Reply to rwaritsdario

Lol, not to worry, when I get my parts, I will be doing a lot of testing.
Only difference is I will be documenting it =).

There is a rather good chance that I end up with this board so I'll let you know for sure.

*Looks for a white backdrop for pictures*

Reply to Anonymous

You'd better review it Canuk.

Reply to dasickninja

I will masta :?

Reply to Anonymous

Meh, me location is down here in nice warm Houston... I think it was like 40 degrees this morning.. so cold...

I've gone skiing in New Mexico and Lake Tahoe before. I heard Colorado is also nice, I'll probably hit that up with my friends some day. Either that or Las Vegas (not for skiing, but for... "what happens here, stays here" :wink: )

Still waiting for news... la de da de da...

Anyone know if they fixed the 680i's problem with OC'ing C2D with 4mb cache?

Reply to Doughbuy

Meh, me location is down here in nice warm Houston... I think it was like 40 degrees this morning.. so cold...

I've gone skiing in New Mexico and Lake Tahoe before. I heard Colorado is also nice, I'll probably hit that up with my friends some day. Either that or Las Vegas (not for skiing, but for... "what happens here, stays here" :wink: )

Still waiting for news... la de da de da...

Anyone know if they fixed the 680i's problem with OC'ing C2D with 4mb cache?

Reply to Doughbuy

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Meh, usually I find a higher OC without reducing the multiplier.



It would be interesting to see stats from experienced OCers. Looking at the 4 boxes I've OCed this year, it's 2/2 for highest multiplier/lowered multiplier. I suspect that patterns would emerge for specific chipset/CPU combinations, at least at stock volts.

Reply to clue69less

True, is there any real definitive answer on this? Most hardware review sites don't change the multiplier much unless they want to simulate a different processor, but there probably are cases where a lower multiplier will net a higher OC... someone want to compile a list?

Or does anyone have a definitive answer on this?

Reply to Doughbuy

Id be interested to. I would say that the lower.higher multiplier is also application specific.
SOme apps like max CPu speed other like max FSB speed for more bandwith and so on.

If you do read the link I provided it explain some pretty interesting stuff where the northbridge actually get OCed by default when using lower multiplier. If it OC to far then it relaxes it's internal timing when changing to the 1333 strap, thus loosing performance.

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This graph actually shows memory performance compared to actual CPU bus speed set with 4-4-4- timings 1:1. As you see there is a marked dip in memory performance at 400fsb where the chipset clock speed dips, infact you have to go back to 360fsb/1067 strap to see the same performance from the dimms which shows the 1067 strap is MUCH faster than the 1333 on this motherboard. Now the graph is quite linear and around 470fsb you see memory performace now matches whats is seen at the top end of the 1067 strap, the only issue is it is now stable where under the 1067 strap at 399fsb you probably will see some instability issues. From 467fsb onwards you will now see the highest performace from your dimms although you are relying on how good the NB overclocks under the 1333 strap.



So I could see some multiplier/fsb combination you would definitively want to avoid.

All this being specific to the P5B but it is suspected that something similar will be found with the 680i. Just not enough testing yet!

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There's been a little talk now that at high FSB 680i chipset takes a beating from 975 much like 965 boards do past 400MHz FSB particularly Asus P5B Deluxe unless you boot <400FSB and clockgen up

Denny confirmed yesterday that there is a performance penalty past 424MHz FSB and i'd like others to join in and do some testing and determine whether all boards are the same



On a side note, I can get the P5N32-E Sli for 280$ canadien at my computer shop, kinda tells you how much money NewEgg is making of this board.

Reply to Anonymous

Meh, when Newegg rips you off, they really rip you off...

Reply to Doughbuy

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Meh, when Newegg rips you off, they really rip you off...


LoL your not kidding, remember c2d release lol what a joke all chips were at least 100usd over priced.

Reply to trenchdog73

Newegg are VERY efficient in there price gouging.

As soon as an Item is pretty hot, you can see it take a 10-20$ raise.

The ram I bought really recently went up 15$ just like that!

Reply to Anonymous

yeah had the same experience when I was buying the ram for my system, looked back 3 days later it went from 270 to 300.

Reply to trenchdog73

It is all about timing on newegg. They change their prices daily almost, so it is matter of having no life and sitting in front of the computer with auto refresh on looking for a good value...... or you can use zipzoomfly or foorgle hehe. 8O

Reply to SuperFly03

Ah... thats what I did in Capitalism II, but it got real tiring real quick...

I buy from Directron.com, and it really helps when they're warehouse is only 20 min from my house. I can just drive over, pick things up, and leave. Advanatages of a e-tailer and a retail store. FTW!

Reply to Doughbuy

Where is the Directron WH? I live in Htown as well....

Reply to SuperFly03

Harwin and Beltway 8... near Chinatown. What part of H-Town you from? I'm Sugarland/Mo. City.

Reply to Doughbuy
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