Last message on previous page: I agree why do you need a pagefile for XP on a home desktop computer. The new system i built 4 weeks ago with 2 GB ram has no paging file. The ram usage hasn't got above 80% even when using multiple programs that use a lot of ram. If you are doing CAD work or other programs that can use large amount of ram you might need it but for a typical home/gaming computer most people wouldn't need to run a paging file. With Vista and the amount of ram it uses i think that 4GB would be the needed amount of ram to run it fine without a paging file.
"Solid state drives promise to be much faster than traditional hard drives. Since there are no moving parts, the drives can reach sustained read speeds of 62 MB/s and have an access time in the sub-millisecond range. Regular hard drives typically have access times between 8 and 19 ms. In addition, SSDs promise to enhance battery life by a few minutes."
http://www.tgdaily.com/2007/01/17/adata_ssd_128gb
So is the subject wishful thinking, a troll, or simply un-informed?
At five times the cost of a discounted Raptor, fifteen percent less storage capacity, thirty percent less maximum STR (read rate - A-Data suspiciously omitted mention of write speeds), no mention of durability, and a truly borderline difference in power requirements, I can't see any substantial or immediate threat to consumer, mid-level or enterprise spindles in any market.
At those costs such a device will enjoy only certain niche markets like Citrix servers, where the seek times will translate directly into increased server capacity, or nerds with too much money. Which reminds me... hey Tekzor, wake up 'n smell the coffee. SSDs have been around for years. The only difference is that capacity is becoming more realistic. On the desktop side, Raptors are a far wiser purchasing choice for most folks than are hot, expensive, power hungry SCSI/SAS/FC drives and the expensive HBAs that go with them. No reason for a jealous and poorly-spelled snit.
BTW, Niz, if you think all those registry hits are bad, what's even worse is that in Win2K and later they're non-reentrant. Yech.
Gaming / Internet / Office it's fine, there are a few exceptions though - IIRC Adobe Photoshop whinges about 'no pagefile detected' if the system has no virtual memory and won't run. There may be other applications like this, but my advice to anyone thinking about it would be to try it and see what happens - you won't break anything on a permanent basis.
what happens when Raptor stops at 150gb production, and the 1.5-3tb drives are out in 2 years?
Then 150gb (regardless of the actual space requirements for the user) will look like a 256mb thumb drive does today.
I'd assume that WD can go beyond 150GB if they choose to. Not sure if they are trying to apply perp to the Raptor or not. I read in an industry mag that WD has tested perp designs but it wasn't specific about where their research was headed. I assume they would have to license the tech from Seagate or whoever owns it.
saying the raptors days are numbered technically is correct. But you could say that about anything. Of course, what lies inside of a raptor will be replaced with something else faster eventually. They might still call it a raptor though. So, other than to be a tard and start a little war with raptor fanboys, what was the point of this thread?
Oh yeah, Core 2's days are numbered!
Maybe you are a Raptor fanboy and trying to rally support. Saying C2D day is numbered, well. correct but this is what everyone seems to knows because everyone knows that there are new CPU every year perhaps.
The point of this thread is that it seems to me the hdd business is moving to Perpendicular in the next several years ahead and Raptor with 10000 rpm will till rules desktop performance and THAT flash is still limited to notebook, which suffer capacity and performance in exchange for battery saving. That is what I thought before I read that article which shows something that ALL specs are superior to Raptor. The point of this thread is a surprise, if you claim this thread is pointless, please refer to me any thread before this which says that something can be superior than Raptor as hdd for desktop.
For C2D, well, tons of data already shows its day is numbered.
I bought my raptors specifically for speed I have twin 74gb raided and currently have only taken up 24gb of space on the array.
would I even hesitate to pay $200.00 for a 32gb hard drive that is substancially faster in every way..... sure the caveat being it has to be substancially faster in every way.
I'd keep windows on the speedy drive and storage on a seperate drive no biggie.....
that said the tech atm seems far from ready for primetime with alot of questions left unanswered.
saying the raptors days are numbered technically is correct. But you could say that about anything. Of course, what lies inside of a raptor will be replaced with something else faster eventually. They might still call it a raptor though. So, other than to be a tard and start a little war with raptor fanboys, what was the point of this thread?
Oh yeah, Core 2's days are numbered!
Maybe you are a Raptor fanboy and trying to rally support. Saying C2D day is numbered, well. correct but this is what everyone seems to knows because everyone knows that there are new CPU every year perhaps.
The point of this thread is that it seems to me the hdd business is moving to Perpendicular in the next several years ahead and Raptor with 10000 rpm will till rules desktop performance and THAT flash is still limited to notebook, which suffer capacity and performance in exchange for battery saving. That is what I thought before I read that article which shows something that ALL specs are superior to Raptor. The point of this thread is a surprise, if you claim this thread is pointless, please refer to me any thread before this which says that something can be superior than Raptor as hdd for desktop.
For C2D, well, tons of data already shows its day is numbered.
Ok, wait, the point of this thread is that the SSHDD's are superior in ALL respects to a Raptor? Are you high? The current drives are still a third slower in read transfer and more than 50% slower in write. Plus, they're 750 dollars more than a 150Gb raptor that has superior performance in all respects other than seek time and power consumption. Power consumption is a pretty much moot issue for a desktop, and increased seek doesn't do a whole hell of a lot of good if the transfer rates can't match the raptor's. I don't think anyone is really a Raptor fanboy, that's ridiculous. That's for CPU's and GPU's. For hard drives, Raptor is the undisputed leader, and has been for quite a few years now. Shame on other companies for not coming up with compteting products.
Perpendicular is great for mass storage, but there isn't a whole hell of a lot of performance gain over traditional HDD's. Not many average users are gonna dump a ton of money on a 1TB HDD when they can get a few 320's for much cheaper. So I think perp. is more an evolutionary rather than revolutionary development.
Shame on you for posting such garbage and then trying to hype it up into something it clearly isn't. If you insist on persisting in your delusions of SSHDD superiority, go do it somewhere else.
Shame on other companies for not coming up with compteting products.
Shame on you for posting such garbage and then trying to hype it up into something it clearly isn't. If you insist on persisting in your delusions of SSHDD superiority, go do it somewhere else.
I have realised that only you in this thread have shames and a few.
what makes you think other companies arent coming up with competing products???
access times are great but it still cant touch the throughput of the raptor.
price is ludacris (5 150GB raptors at the same price)
size is too small
wheres the supply? i cant find any.
128GB was just shown at CES availability when???
perhaps in a year but at 60mb/s its competition is Sata300 not the raptor. And its definitely loosing there with 500-750GB hard drives. You can buy 5/6/7 500GB hard drives for the same price, or 3 750GB.
If it could double its bandwith or at least exceed 100mb/s then it might find a niche market with enthusiasts, that would also depend on its price dropping about 70-80%.
"Solid state drives promise to be much faster than traditional hard drives. Since there are no moving parts, the drives can reach sustained read speeds of 62 MB/s and have an access time in the sub-millisecond range. Regular hard drives typically have access times between 8 and 19 ms. In addition, SSDs promise to enhance battery life by a few minutes."
http://www.tgdaily.com/2007/01/17/adata_ssd_128gb
A lot of people in this thread have totally missed the point and forgotten a lot of considerations.
Firstly, look at the price of an HD-DVD / Bluray Drive. Very expensive.
Now reminice back to when CD-Writers and DVD Writers came out. They were very expensive. DVD writers are around £20 now, compared to £500 when first released.
This is what happens when a product is first released. It's expensive!
Anyone remember the first hard drives, that had 40meg of space....
...You are writing off a new technology which has the potential to surpass the hard drive before its even had a chance.
Of course it's expensive. But it's justified (kind of). It's very fast compared to what we are used to using and uses a lot less power and space. It's also not in mass production.
128GB is a very impressive amount IMO. I don't doubt that going up further either. The affordable large storage hard drives today are the ~300gb ones. Over that they become expensive per GB.
Considering flash memory hasn't been around quite as long, at least in the commercial form it is today, 128GB is a very rapid development.
Unless fujitsu bring this 3TB drive out, the spinning disk is going to finally get some competition.
People aren't going to keep buying the same drives for years and years.
They will want either more capacity or more performance. I'm not going to be happy when i walk in the shop and buy a hard drive which is identical in both areas to the one i bought 3 years ago unless it's a lot cheaper.
Oh yeah, last thing.
Learn to read the title. "raptor day is numbered" means that in the near future. I'd be seriously surprised if something like this doesn't take over from raptor type drive. Raptors are over priced trash anyway, lets hope this does get in and upgrade that bottleneck in all our pc's. The Hard Drive!
The Blu-Ray/HD-DVD comparison isn't completely valid, because that high price tag on your new blu-ray player comes with very real benefits, as in, it outperforms the industry standard in visual performance. The only real benefits to the SSHDD are the quicker access time and the lower power consumption. I.E. this tech is still in its infancy. I'm not coming out and saying it has no potential, clearly it does, but it also clearly has a long way to go before it can compete with regular old mechanical hard drives.
It's not gonna be in the near future either. It'll be at least 5 years before such devices become mainstream, maybe a little sooner in the notebook dept., where they aren't competing against drives like the raptor and the lower power consumption is actually meaningful. And why does everyone insist on trashing the raptor with no justification. It's only the best performing HDD available today. Have you ever used one? It makes a difference in easing that bottleneck, believe me.
No they dont. Look at the Oppo DVD player review for up conversion. It outperforms current HD-DVD/Blueray movie quality about 85% of the time. Review on THG.
The Blu-Ray/HD-DVD comparison isn't completely valid, because that high price tag on your new blu-ray player comes with very real benefits, as in, it outperforms the industry standard in visual performance. The only real benefits to the SSHDD are the quicker access time and the lower power consumption. I.E. this tech is still in its infancy. I'm not coming out and saying it has no potential, clearly it does, but it also clearly has a long way to go before it can compete with regular old mechanical hard drives.
It's not gonna be in the near future either. It'll be at least 5 years before such devices become mainstream, maybe a little sooner in the notebook dept., where they aren't competing against drives like the raptor and the lower power consumption is actually meaningful. And why does everyone insist on trashing the raptor with no justification. It's only the best performing HDD available today. Have you ever used one? It makes a difference in easing that bottleneck, believe me.
Sorry i was looking at it in capacity form not video quality form.
I watched a film from the 1960's the other day, and tbh, me and my dad were taking the piss. "was this shot in HD?" I'm not really interested in that marketed rubbish tbh . That's not why i'd need HD Media.
EDIT: Also to clear up some confusion, i was simply using that as an example of prices of technology falling over time. Nothing is cheap from the start.
Anyway thats not the point. The point was, when something new comes on the market it is always expensive. Thats why i made the blu ray and dvd comparison.
In 3/4 years time hd/blu ray (next gen) writers and players will be dirt cheap if they follow the same trend as CDWriters and DVD writers, which no doubt they will else no one would bother buying them.
We should be able to apply the same principal to SSD. The performance is better than what we have now. The capacity lacks but as I implied. Imagine we wrote hard drives off because they were only 40meg?
. That's not why i'd need HD Media.