My friend is planning on a cheap build coming up soon. He has planned a system with an ASUS mobo (srry don't know which), X2 4200+, and 1 Gb of OCZ DDR2800. I told him the OCZ wouldn't work well with the mobo, and he said he'd think about another brand. But the real issue is the processor. For the same price, he could get a decent mobo w/a E6300. I told him even without ocing the C2D was better, but he won't agree. He says "2.2 Ghz is better than 1.87" and I can't explain why exactly the C2D is faster but I know it is. How do I convince him to get the E6300?
core duo is faster because it is made from 65nm tech while the 4200+ is still 90nm, and because core duo is made of 65nm technology it can have a bigger cache than the 4200+
My friend is planning on a cheap build coming up soon. He has planned a system with an ASUS mobo (srry don't know which), X2 4200+, and 1 Gb of OCZ DDR2800. I told him the OCZ wouldn't work well with the mobo, and he said he'd think about another brand. But the real issue is the processor. For the same price, he could get a decent mobo w/a E6300. I told him even without ocing the C2D was better, but he won't agree. He says "2.2 Ghz is better than 1.87" and I can't explain why exactly the C2D is faster but I know it is. How do I convince him to get the E6300?
core duo is faster because it is made from 65nm tech while the 4200+ is still 90nm, and because core duo is made of 65nm technology it can have a bigger cache than the 4200+His friend knows more than you.
My friend is planning on a cheap build coming up soon. He has planned a system with an ASUS mobo (srry don't know which), X2 4200+, and 1 Gb of OCZ DDR2800. I told him the OCZ wouldn't work well with the mobo, and he said he'd think about another brand. But the real issue is the processor. For the same price, he could get a decent mobo w/a E6300. I told him even without ocing the C2D was better, but he won't agree. He says "2.2 Ghz is better than 1.87" and I can't explain why exactly the C2D is faster but I know it is. How do I convince him to get the E6300?
Intructions per cycle... the C2D executes more insturctions at every cycle.
To use a retarded example, its like two assembly line workers, A works 2200 hours(Ghz), B works 1870 hours(ghz) a year, A finishes three shirts(instructions) per hour and B four. SO over the same one year time period assembly worker one finishes 6600 shirts(instructions), assembly worker two finishes 7480. Simply looking at the hours (Ghz) worked doesn't give you any information unless you know how many shirts (instructions) are finished.
When do the 2 trains leave NYC and LA at different speeds, one being a local, the other express, etc.?
if he goes for a 3800+ am2, that would make much more sense....the price is significantly lower, and he ll have the opportunity to upgrade at the end of the year with the then cheap k8l.......
Show him this thread, every person here will say that the E6300 is superior to the 4200+ in every way. The E6300 is faster because of the way its built, it can do more in one clock cycle then the 4200+, so the clock speed doesnt need to be as high.
1700 post btw.
this is very true. not to include the amazing things you can do to the e6300 aka oCing
As usual(from a fanboy) that is an exageration. It beats the 4200 in many benches, but not all. Overall, the 6300 slots in between the 4200 and 4600..depending on app.
ATIisGhostlyBlue is an egotistical moron who only comes on the forums to spread fanboyism. Just take one look at his name and you will see that he is a person who will favor an ATI card over the nVidia card even as it stands that nVidia is on top of the performance chart. I myself also like ATI, but would never spread filth about the other company with no facts what so ever. Notice his comment in the below forum. His post implies that nVidia card manufacturers use re-used parts. Where is the evidence that proves this. He did not display any knowledge on the topic and didn’t help out the original poster what so ever.
It is posters like him that cause many other posters on these forums to be hesitant to ask questions and get help/advise, which is ultimately what this place is for. In this other forum that he posted in you will see how one sided he is. Even though this topic had gotten off task earlier in the forum you can easily tell how uncalled for his post was.
His quote: “Nvidia cards suck; they will drain your psu and their fan db output makes me laugh. Sounds like a freaking jet flying right above my head. Go back and look at nvidia's futile attempts in competing with ATI in the dx9 realm. Poor drivers, inconsiderate customer relations principles, and the lack of innovation are signature staples of Nvidia operation. The core graphics of nvidia have earned the slogan "loud, late, overclocked and underpowered" from true pc gamers. Quanity does not equal quality, and over-marketing ones product is just a sign of apprehensiveness in respect to customer satisfaction. However, if you are trying to create an fire/explosive device out of computer parts alone, i do reccomend putting an Nvidia based card in your motherboard; i just hope you havent grown to attached to your pc. I still havent seen an Nvidia card than can run Doom3 to my standards. Seriously, Nvidia reminds me of a kid in an arcade standing feverishly over the "Whack a Mole" game - and always losing.”
That is yet another example of no facts display, but rather just ignorance in the form of fanboyism, which is something that we don’t need any more of around here.
If you notice he has very few post on these forums, and when looking at his history most if not all of his posts are either favoring AMD and bashing Intel or favoring ATI and bashing nVidia. I am not saying that having a few posts on the forums is bad as he may have more important or interesting things to be doing with his time. I am merely remarking upon his continued negative posting behavior that he displays consistently throughout all.
In this post he has shown once again no facts what so ever.
Quote: “Yes buy the C2D. Win the stat battle. AND lose the gaming performance war.”
It is well known that C2D is better in gaming. This is just yet again another time where he displays no facts or evidence to support his claim!
Earlier in the post I made a comment joking around, but it was rather none informative and didn’t really help the original poster (I did this because it seemed obvious that someone would easily answer the question because of the obvious answer of C2D being better). I apologize for this so to not hypocritical, but I just want all to remember that whenever someone views a post that is made by ATIisGhostlyBlue to take it with the smallest grain of salt because he is nothing but trouble and it is the posters like him that are tarnishing this forums great name.
Many in this forum who know me, will tell you that I am no fanboy. I have had both nVidia and ATI GPU’s over the past several years, as well as I have had both Intel and AMD CPU’s. I like them both, I go for what is going to give me the best performance at the time. As always stated competition is good for us all, without both of these great companies (AMD and Intel) we would not be where we are today.
P.S. Though he may claim he has alway recommended C2D in this forum, it is painfully easy to see his subliminal message of how C2D performs poorly in games when compared the the Athlon X2, where are the facts Ghost? Here is my evidence of higher performance from C2D, just scam through them if you wish to be enlightened. Just come back when K8L (K10) is out and then you will have your chance to talk about AMD all you want, that is if it turns out as good as we all hope it will.
I don't make CPU recommendations when AMD is getting spanked.
I talk about fabricated AMD CPU news.
I may tell a person how good a chip may improve their system if it's AMD, but I don't have time for the C2D/X2 arguments because it makes me cry at night.
What difference does it make which CPU a person gets, you won't get a penny either way? <-- so why push AMD so much?
Maybe it's that lack of sef-confidence I notice here...mainly in myself
Some people ignore what they don't want to believe. He can look up benchmarks if he's willing and reasonable. Otherwise leave him to it. If he's keen for speed and OC headroom, Intel is the ticket. If not, AMD will work. He wont have much of an upgrade path with current AMD MB's though, but that's his pill to swallow.
lol exactly how long have you had your current intel cpu friend? If your response is more than a month, you're what I call a SURVIVOR. I personally prefer my computer to not internally morph into a microwave when turned on. in addition, several "processor power" tests such as 3dmark have consistently used technologies that intel cpu's have had (SSE2) while negating those seclusive to amd chips. Why do we even call this line of proccesors C2D when its really a dressed up and ninja'd IMB Cell. PS3 FTW!
Wow shoot yourself in the foot some more why dont ya! Lets see, well Temp problems for Intels have been long gone since the netburst days. My roommate has an FX-55, which his motherboard overvolts to 1.4v minimum and his temps are way higher than my C2D @ 2.80ghz (my load temps = his idol temps...not good eh?), explain that? You mentioned IBM and the Cell huh? Well why dont you call your friends over at AMD and ask them who has been one of their third party partners for years and who is currently helping them develop their metal gate tech? What are the seclusive AMD features that benchmark programs like 3Dmark are negating? If you have an AMD processor without SSE2 then send it back because someone jipped you my friend. So im not sure the point you are trying to make, but I do know that you are once again providing a response to something, which you have apparently no knowledge on and have no facts/proof to support your theories. And yes I have had my processor for less than a month, and have been enjoying it greatly. Just as I did my previous AMD 3700+ Sandy that I had for a year and then the Athlon X2 3800+ that I enjoyed for 3 months before I had the chance to jump over to a C2D system for ~$300 and as a a non ignorant person I seized the opportunity and now have a faster computer that runs cooler, more stable, and uses less power.
In my opinion, in real world applications, the Geode processor wins. For those of you who dont know, the Geode is the AMD processor to power the $100 laptop for MIT's One Laptop Per Child (OLPC). What's more real than providing children around the world the opportunity to enchance their sociological awareness? Oh but wait, i forgot you can get a higher number to appear on your computer screen with your intel after running some hapless test program. I respect AMD for caring about PEOPLE over PROFIT.
