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Well put! I have family out west and they have the same problem. They all use Macs and they can't figure out how to use them, or any other computer they run into.

I will put in my 2c and say that Mac people are some of the most arrogant people I know. In fact, all of the Mac people I know are on the top of the list (all 5!) . People who use Macs get sold on the BS that comes out of the advertising, and then they spout off about it at every chance they get. Fortunately, those people generally don't know squat about their computers (already noted), and don't really need to, since the computer just does everything for them. This makes it really easy from the tech support side of things, as the most inept computer users are pawned off on the Apple tech support lines, thank goodness. I'm glad they have the patience to take care of their customers, as they do the rest of the IT industry a big favor by taking the worst off their hands.

Thank You Apple!!!

Mere technicality. AT&T Unix and it's decendants do not get viruses by definition because viruses were given the nomenclature of altering executables. Unix decendants and MacOSs did not work this way but use alot of support files most functionals like libs still in binary. If you think this allows you to walk through the woods wearing a red cape as protection. I would have to conscienciously remind you that the hood that masks your periphial vision does not make you safe although it might help so that you don't give off fear scent. Unix derrivations, some, are as dark as the most primevil forest this planet has ever seen. Including the predators.[code:1:bf7d9b4961] Boo... [/code:1:bf7d9b4961]

~Well now that I said that... perhaps an inocent line from a well know movie "Dune" would be appropriet. "We have worm sign the likes that god has never seen." 8O

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If by any file you mean "MP3, WMA" and "WAV", then yeah, it'll play any file.

I also have a ZEN (a black one, just so that people don't confuse me with an iPod owner ), and the best part about it is it's durability, and that when it decides to freeze on you you can hit the master reset switch; something Apple has yet to figure out because they are too busy patronizing their customers by selling 'accesories' which should have been included as part of the package in the first place.

Try telling QX6700 owners that cooling isn't much of an issue. It's also one of the newest chips you can buy. Don't get me started on graphics cards...

I can't wait until the 2020's, when people look back on the "noughties" and say "remember iPods?" and everyone has a good laugh, much like we all do now with MC Hammer and the 1980's.

Macs are good for AV work though. Good to see the single-button mouse got ditched; and not too soon.

I have a few responses to the hater's complaints:

Apple people used to say the CPUs were better on macs: They were. I would have rather had a G5 than a P4 back in that day. It just so happened that the "best processors in the world" were going to come out and Apple took the opportunity to use them. So once again to this day Apple has always used the best possible CPUs available to them.

As far as apple people having a hard time in a Windows environment: Can you blame them? Windows makes you manually manage everything. I feel like I know more about computers because of being a Windows user but that is a good thing for me in my field. What about the people who want to get their job done but don't want to have to learn a programming language just to understand certain error messages when Windows decides to barf.

In response to the opinion that Apple computers are expensive for the specs: A MacBook Pro will do its job for years on end. You can buy an equivalent PC notebook that you will most likely need to upgrade in the next year in order to keep up with the constant bloating effect that I've seen on all Windows PCs since I've first started using them. I'm using a 6 year old mac right now running Tiger and recording music. My mom did her financials on a mac our family started using in 1995 up until last year. She happily upgraded to an iBook. Initial cost is nothing, cost effectiveness is everything.

To people who bash iPod: Get a life. Or even better, get iLife and find out what your really missing out on.

I think that is the attitude that a lot of people here are expressing their dislike about.

Wow, thanks dude so much for that.

Note please two things here: one is that I started using Macs for proffessional purposes and not - as you state - "because of marketing BS".

My second point is more resonant I think, and that is in reply to your point about Macintosh users "spout[ing] off about [their 'better' system] at every chance they get".

If that thread were true then this thread would be a massive list by me or one of the other few Apple users on this forum about every single thing about OS X that we percieve to be better in some way. In fact, one of us would have started the thread, which as we all know was started by celewign, who thus far has been shouting very loudly about not very much at all.

Jeez guys, aside from that oh-so-offensive one-button-mouse (which isn't even standard Macintosh issue any more) and the advertising campaign (which, while annoying and stupid, isn't a reason to hate a comapany - everyone has a marketing department, can't really blame them for that) I still see no reason other than some sort of pseudo-'team spirit' amongst a great deal of you for your apparent dislike of Apple computers.

Apple, for me, is the biggest load of crap ever. Why? One button mouse, that's why... wait...

*goes to the store*

Hey, look, a cheap USB mouse, with right button AND wheel! Yay!

Seriously, though, the only real beef I have with Apple are the people who USE their products. That and the single-button mouse, but that's not really a problem as I have just demonstrated... wait...

*spots a Mac user, gets the shotgun, loud double BLAM! noise follows*

and as you all can see, the users aren't much of a problem either.

I am a graphic designer student, and we use Apple Macs and sit in front of Apple wide-screens. Slap one of those wide-screen suckers on a PC and you have something better than an Apple Mac. Seriously! Macs are glitchier than Windows are, I'm tired of "Force Quitting" applications once a day because some random feature in a Mac application becomes disabled on its own, or options become grayed out mysteriously in Photoshop/Illustrator, or the measurements and document dimensions are off or improperly displayed. Smooth vector art has strange bumps. Each computer has something wrong with it, and with each of them it's something different. I never came across these problems on a Windows machine.

One button mouse QFT that thing is dumb as hell. Even though you can tilt the upper half to the right to "right click", it's still dumb. I should bring in my own mouse. Actually, I think I will! And an IBM keyboard.

I wouldn't go that far; Macs don't crash as often as PC's becuase they can't do as much. It's just that when there is a problem with your PC you aren't "locked out" from all the nitty-gritty bits of the OS, so you are able to fix it yourself rather than having to send off your Mac and not have it, therefore being unproductive for a few days/weeks/months/however long it takes for Apple techs to get off their backside and actually do some work.

I managed to crash a G3, simply by running ProTools and asking it to play 4 tracks with one real-time effect on each track.

Oh yeah, I spilt some breakfast cereal on the face on my ZEN player yesterday morning. It was working fine until the afternoon, when the top 2/3rds of the screen became the bottom 2/3rds of the screen and the top 1/3rd became the bottom 1/3rd (the battery icon was down the bottom instead of the top, etc). It still played music though, but a problem that I have is my 102cm legs (40" ) mean I have long pants, and the pockets are further down, which means that all the stuff in my pockets travels further when I'm walking than someone shorter than me.

Anway, I'm walking along listening to music in WAV format, which means the hard drive is usually always spinning, and it's swinging back and hitting my leg when it freezes. Usually it only does this for 2-3 seconds but this time it just froze dead. So when I got home I exposed the wire on a bin tie, hit the reset button, and lo and behold, it works again. No fuss, no muss, and no inconvenient repair centres.

Don't you love technology that WORKS?

Seems you overspent on the RAM so you had to cut back on graphics. I mean, 1 terabyte...

Seems you overspent on the RAM so you had to cut back on graphics. I mean, 1 terabyte...

LOL!

Do you have any idea what you're talking about? I'm totally serious here...any idea at all?

I really can't see how you can try this argument. I'll use myself as an example here because I think it's relevant to your comment.

i. When I switched from PC to Macintosh, I thought I was going to have to use both in tandem - however my PC has now been relegated to simply seeding for a torrent group I'm a member of and running my XBMC server. Simply put, I was a 'power user' on PC and had 10 apps for everything - my Macs do everything and more. I'm astounded by your comment about 'not being able to do as much as a PC'. Total crap.

ii. I'm pretty handy with PCs, certainly slicker than your average Joe Dell, although I'm by no means as knowledgeable as some. But still, I tweaked Windows for days, spent hours looking for the best 3rd party firewall + AV, doing registry hacks for programs... in other words, I'm a power user in this sense as well and I like to get things working more efficiently.

However none of that has ever helped me fix my PC, other than re-installing, re-formatting or on occasion changing a driver. The argument that OS X is in some way inferior to Windows because it doesn't allow you to view the 'nitty-gritty' of the operating system is entirely flawed...

Now you don't seem to know very much about OS X so I'll forgive you for not knowing that it's based on Unix/Darwin, and that the Terminal is...wait for it...direct access to Darwin! Or as you put it, the 'nitty-gritty' of the OS. You can also boot directly to Unix in single-user mode (I belive it's called) for some tasty command line action.

iii. As for your comment about apparently lazy service staff, a friend of mine dropped his MacBook under warrenty and cracked the screen. He had a replacement in just over a working week. So once again, total crap.

As for...

My G3 PowerMac running OS X 10.3.9 can run Word, iTunes, Safari and MSN Messenger at the same time without noticeable slowdown and that's the limit. If you're honestly saying you expect to be able to do 4 track recording with a realtime effect on each track on a 400mhz processor on a computer built in 1999, think again.

With DSP cards, ProTools runs splendidly on a G3. Without them, there's no way you can do anything musical.

Yeah, there's heaps more software available for Macs compared to PC's. And there's just as many parts so I can make it just as powerful. Oh wait a minute...

This was with the Macs at SAE College (School of Audio Engineering) in the year 2002. If anyone knows how to set up a computer for recording work, it's these guys. I don't care if you don't believe that the Mac crashed, but please realize that there is no such thing as infallible technology.

Yes, there is. Look at Honda's Vtec engines as a perfect example. Over 3,000,000 have been produced and not one of them has failed.

I'm familiar with SAE, thanks, and while they are certainly experts, making a PowerMac G3 run ProTools with any success sans-DSP cards is all but impossible.

I'm not saying that the Macintosh platform is 'infallible' full-stop, I'm just saying that it holds up much better than Windows does (this is all on my experiences and truly honestly nothing to do with any Apple marketing spin).

The above statement doesn't apply exclusively to individual applications, but to the OS in general. For example, I've had my PowerBook for over a year, during which time it has only ever been rebooted for updates and switched off for a RAM upgrade - the rest of the time it has been in use or 'asleep'. During that long period of near-100% uptime I haven't experienced a single kernel panic or in fact any fault with the OS causing me to lose any data or reboot. I find that to be nothing short of amazing.

I didn't say there was 'heaps more software available for Macs', I just said that I went from PC to Macintosh and was able to do without most of the extra bits I had to add to Windows because they were built into the OS (for example I no longer needed Daemon Tools or Alcohol 120%, as mounting of disc images is built into the OS, as is burning of ISO files). The extra bits that weren't built into the OS - mainly obscure programs such as Xbox controller drivers & other homebrew stuff - was for the most part (but not entirely) available, for example I still have Xbox controller support, VLC instead of Media Player Classic, CuteFTP instead of WS_FTP... the list goes on, but not for very long - the OS, iLife and bundled software (plus a couple of choice pro apps) do the rest out of the box.

What I've ended up with on my PC is the total of what my Mac can't do, and all my PC has on it is uTorrent and CCXStream - both of which I can run on Macintosh, but because my main Mac is a laptop it wouldn't make much sense running two always-on apps.

Tell if I'm wrong, I'm no Apple expert, but isn't the Mac OS's based on Unix?
I do know that the Apple people did buy the Graphical Interface from Xerox I think. If not Xerox it was some photo copy maker.
So really their success is based on pinching or buying everyone else's ideas.

Whoops thats right. So did Microsoft. Although give the Nerd some credit, Bill Gates did write his own software in the Beginning. 8O