I'm pretty sure the 7900GTX beats a 7950GX2. So that part of the list is messed up. And for the 6800XT; It shouldn't be even shown on the list because its so bad
Hmmmm. My trusty GeForce MX 4000 didn't make the list
Also, if we're adding vaporware like X2800XT or whatever without even seeing benchmarks, let alone the device in stores, then why not add the 8950 GX2 (released in May, apparently) at #2 and the 9950 GX8 (probably in 2009) at #1 ? I don't hate AMD, and I totally hope they make a great card so we have some competition, but it's not fair to give them #1 until they actually have a product out there. Just my 2 cents...
the 9600se was my upgrade from the radeon 7000. I still remember getting mad because the 7000 wouldn't play invisible war, which required pixil shader. And then I got mad when I tried to play oblivion on the 9600se. I wonder how mad I will get when I try to play crysis on my 7900gt?
The GF4 Ti cards are indeed DX8.1. Were you thinking on the GF3 series?
No, having had an AIWR8500, I KNOW for a FACT that the GF4Tis, just like the Parhelia is DX8.0, not DX8.1, the only DX8.1 of the era was the R8500. Bothe the GF3 and 4 are DX8.0 with only support for PS 1.1 and PS 1.3.
Morrowind is the one game that truely hit this home first, with the shiny water differences, and then BF2 drove the final nail in the coffin when DX8.1 support was required to play without mods due to smoke effects, etc.
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Also, the GF3 Ti500 performs much in the range of the GF4 Ti4200, so it's not out of line to consider the 5200 U to be at or below the performance of a Ti500.
The FX5200U was hyperclocked, and while it still sucked compared to the cheaper R9500/9600, it was faster than the GF3 series, especially further out into later games. The FX sucks for DX9, but it was a a pretty fast DX8.0/8.1 card closig in on the plain FX5600 and occasionally passing it depending on the app bottleneck.
So it depends on what people are comparing, UT2K3 PS 1.1 vs 1.4, or later titles?
We aren't talking about 'time of release here' we're talking about performance in the range of titles, and especially current gaming, otherwise no list will ever work.
wheres x1950xt and x1950gt?
is x1950xt faster than x1900xt 512mb? slower than x1900xtx?
i think x1900xtx beats a 7900gtx let alone x1950xtx.
7950gx2 is the fastest card of previous generation
I will have to disagree with you somewhat on the GF4 Ti cards.
They were excellent cards and having only recently shown their age.
Not saying they were the greatest thing since sliced bread but I generally agree on where they have been placed in the lineup.
I would go so far as to say many modern cards would not far noticeably better in DirectX 8.0 and 8.1 games of the time and many since.
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I don't think bringing Morrowind into a discussion about performance is a good idea. Fully, one third of the processing power it took to run Morrowind went into running copy protection, which was of course hacked upon release.[/slightly-off-topic]
Considering how far back the video card list goes in computer terms, the GF4 Ti cards are probably about where they should be.
I will have to disagree with you somewhat on the GF4 Ti cards.
Fine, not that it matters.
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They were excellent cards and having only recently shown their age.
No one is saying they weren't excellent cards, however, he FX5200U was better than most people give it credit for compared to something like the GF3 series. And the 'recent' is the issue, not were they good when they came out. The TNT was good when it came out, but shouldn't be in the top 100 cards, and that's the point, current performance.
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Not saying they were the greatest thing since sliced bread but I generally agree on where they have been placed in the lineup.
Fine, I don't and I know others would put them closer to a more realistic representation for NOW.
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I would go so far as to say many modern cards would not far noticeably better in DirectX 8.0 and 8.1 games of the time and many since.
Until you play them at 1600x1200 or above and then the GF4 series would fall off the end of the world. There are performance holes in everything, the point is the majority of current cards would far outperform the GF4 series, only the lowest of the low would be in the same league and even then likely pull away at high res or with any AA. The GF4ti is wicked at 1024x768-1280x1024, but above that it struggles hard, and the R9500P wipes the floor with every one of the GF4s.
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I don't think bringing Morrowind into a discussion about performance is a good idea.[/slightly-off-topic]
It wasn't brought in as a performance reference, re-read the thread, the use of Morrowind was to illustrate that the GF4ti like the GF3 were only PS1.3/DX8.0 capable, they did not have support for PS1.4 and thus were no fully DX8.1 capable. That was the point, which it illustrates very well since it was the first game to expose this difference in any tangible way. BF2 made it in a more dramatic way by supporting the R8500, but not the GF4ti.
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Considering how far back the video card list goes in computer terms, the GF4 Ti cards are probably about where they should be.
Why would it matter how far back it went as to where they currently would find themselves for both performance and features? Like I said it shoudl be about current utility, not about giving them heritage points. The GF4ti series is very good for it's time, however it's very limited now, many cards have leapfrogged it, especially the competant PS2.0 cards of the generation afterwards, and even the not so competant ones if they were clocked fast enough. Also remember playable at low res and low features is still better than not playable at all.
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