There is nothing illegal about that. Compete or die. Welcome or capitalism. I don't expect AMD to die, and I think Intel just wants to keep 80% of their x86'es market.
Maybe not illegal, but unfair business play, you never see any of the auto companies trying to destroy one another, instead you hear about a lot of them occasionally making deals and such, you never see your local shops trying to be so competative that their compotition dies, I don't think amd will be done for from what intel is currently doing, but it isn't good for their market share, but if intel wanted to, they could push even greater price drops and research even faster and amd would not longer be on the face of the cpu industry
True, Intel is making some money, but their profits are substantially down. This is in some extent because of their selling chips for actual losses in some cases. Their overall profits have stayed as high as they are because of other parts of the company, such as making motherboards and chipsets. They have also conveniently lost or destroyed some of the records that the courts have requested. Not being a lawyer or and accountant, I can't say what all is going on, but their constantly lowering cpu prices either means they are in a war determined to win no matter what the cost (even selling cpus at a loss), or we consumers have been paying way too much for cpus for years.
I think the last part you said was true, we as consumers have simply paid wayyyyy too much on certain cpus in the past years, come on, I remember the fx 57 being over $1000, and the 965 prelser still is $1000
Luckily enough for Intel, global business isn't a game in the playground. If you use a sledgehammer to play Tig, it's ok. Unless, of course, there's a definite "No sledgehammer" rule.
For American auto companies at least, they don't seem to need any help to hurt themselves.
I hope AMD fights back and makes things even, but through a damn good product instead of the courts.
hmm, well, intel's manufacturing process is about a year beyond amd's, so for a while, intel will be able to market powerful cpus at lower prices and still keep the same profit margins
Maybe not illegal, but unfair business play, you never see any of the auto companies trying to destroy one another, instead you hear about a lot of them occasionally making deals and such, you never see your local shops trying to be so competative that their compotition dies, I don't think amd will be done for from what intel is currently doing, but it isn't good for their market share, but if intel wanted to, they could push even greater price drops and research even faster and amd would not longer be on the face of the cpu industry
Auto companies do similar things to what Intel has done (advertising money, rebates) to their dealers and they don't get sued over it. AMD would rather give money to layers than it's OEMs. Now their OEMs have to pay more lawyers because this suit.
When Fry's move into town what happens to CompUSA?
Maybe not illegal, but unfair business play, you never see any of the auto companies trying to destroy one another, instead you hear about a lot of them occasionally making deals and such, you never see your local shops trying to be so competative that their compotition dies, I don't think amd will be done for from what intel is currently doing, but it isn't good for their market share, but if intel wanted to, they could push even greater price drops and research even faster and amd would not longer be on the face of the cpu industry
Auto companies do similar things to what Intel has done (advertising money, rebates) to their dealers and they don't get sued over it. AMD would rather give money to layers than it's OEMs. Now their OEMs have to pay more lawyers because this suit.
When Fry's move into town what happens to CompUSA?
Not sure how or why Tocos quote ended up in a reply to me, but whatever.
As to Fry's and CompUSA, I can state what I observed to happen In Reno. When CompUSA first came in, the store sold mainly computer hardware and some computers and was full of people. Then the store execs decided to change their product lineup and to deal mainly in software for Nintendo, Play Station and the like, while dropping most of the computer stuff. Even mosts of the PC software disappeared from the shelves. The store emptied of customers and soon had more employees than customers at any given time. It wasn't Fry's that killed them, it was their own business decissions that did it.
I suppose that a similar analogy can be put to the AMD/Intel war. AMD got large making chips that people wanted. Then they changed directions and stopped asking what people wanted, but instead said this is what they will offer, an old design (in computer terms) cpu. Intel kept moving forward. Instead of reponding by designing and releasing a modern cpu, AMD responded with a lawsuit.
As to Tacos car analogy, many car companies are doing the same thing and are now in trouble. Chrysler, for instance, offers only two colors for the interior, charcaol and taupe. What if a cusomer wants a different color? Well, to bad, go shop somewhere else because this is all we offer. what happened to the idea that the customer is always right? What happened to the idea of seeling what the customer wants? Why is the new Charger a four door model, not a two door that people wanted and expected? That type of attitude is sinking the company and the company execs act like they've done nothing wrong, its all the customer's fault.
I guess my main point here is that struggling companies need to ask customers what they want, and then do their best to fills those desires. Chrysler didn't and is now headed to the auction block. AMD hasn't and now is struggling. CompUSA didn't, and Fry's took over. To all companies, give me what I want, not what you want to build.
When I first joined this forum, the posts almost always pointed out how "bad" AMD's were in comparison to Intel's Core 2's. Since then, the forum seems to have gotten even worse, with Intel fanboys insulting and criticizing anyone who ever said that AMD has a good product. I'm glad to see that someone has finally decided to stand up for AMD.
Although AMD's products may be somewhat slower at some things, also consider that the price is often less on AMD products. AMD is also better in some areas, especially memory, due to its integrated memory controller.
I'm not a fanboy, I just like some good honest competition.
exactly my purpose of this thread was, I got sick and tired of all the intel fanboys. Even if amd can't absolutely demolish conroe like it claims, if it at least marginally beats it with lower prices, then there is still healthy competition to keep prices lower, I mean look at the intel price drops, I don't think intel would have ever planned on selling a quad core for less than $1000, let alone $266
You know I went to AMD's site to look up the L2 cache of the 3600+ X2 because I thought I might build my wife a internet cruiser with one, but I seen those garbage benchmarks and puked all over. F amd. Ihope they fire Ruiz and get a real CEO! I could just go with a 805 overclocked like mad and it will still run F@H just as well, my wife will never know the difference and I'll save a few dollars.
You know I went to AMD's site to look up the L2 cache of the 3600+ X2 because I thought I might build my wife a internet cruiser with one, but I seen those garbage benchmarks and puked all over. F amd. Ihope they fire Ruiz and get a real CEO! I could just go with a 805 overclocked like mad and it will still run F@H just as well, my wife will never know the difference and I'll save a few dollars.
conroe , i cant believe you actually look at the manufacturers website , everyone knows they rig the benchmarks, if they actually do any , but so does intel , so i think its in your best interest to check out benchmarking websites. other then the manufacturers sites.
ASUS crosshair is a pretty pimp-ass board u know. I myself wouldn't buy one. No wonder it can clock your AMD that high. Try something that retails for 110-120 bucks, then talk about price/performance ratios.
healthy competition to keep prices lower, I mean look at the intel price drops, I don't think intel would have ever planned on selling a quad core for less than $1000, let alone $266
Now, if AMD priced the FX74, both cpus as required, at $266, I might be tempted to go ahead and buy them. And if AMD released the FX76 which is supposed to be better yet for that price, then perhaps that. Maybe not, but at least the temptation would be there.
