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Get it here with much faster transfer speed (at least for me)
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If I try hard enough I can feed myself for 3 months on that much.

Don't know about you but I'd rather a full belly than full settings.

Get it here with much faster transfer speed (at least for me)
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Already got both DX9 and 10 versions from gamershell

Have you checked the temps??
Have you checked that the fan is spinning??
And try to underclock the cards a bit cause they are really suffering by showing artifacts in windows(idle).
Another guess would be your power supply.Check that too!

The fact that you say its your 2nd 8800GTS card suggests you might have a problem with your system, and not with the GFx cards.

PSU might be at fault! I have read on other forums, guys complaining about the Antec 650 PSU.

650watts should be enough though, right? can't imagine needing more than that...

Only reason I never thought PSU was it doesn't matter whether the system is under load or not, and the only time i had a problem previously with the PSU was when it was obvious the system wouldn't get enough under load...

but, stranger things have happened. i can check it out tomorrow.

If I try hard enough I can feed myself for 3 months on that much.

Don't know about you but I'd rather a full belly than full settings.

Well if you can't afford to do both then you're right , but for most of us that can, he's right.

Hell, you can get an X1950XT on NewEgg for $170. That'll handle anything out fairly easily.

Yeah, we get the good deals down here in the U.S.

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The other side of the story is how companies try to taint the opinions of those writing the stories about their products. To give you both sides, ATI flew over 200 writers and editors to Tunis, Tunisia, for two days and nights of technical briefings and fun. While this, plus a pair of graphics cards, is enough to sway the opinions of some, there are those who remain unbiased. At the same time, a launch would not be a normal one without backlash from Nvidia. A wealth of information hits writers like a broadside of comments and rebuttals. It also never ceases to amaze me how fast a driver can be produced when the competition might have the upper hand in something. So the miracle driver made available to fix known issues and push performance.

That being said, we at Tom's Hardware refuse to cater to companies with their PR and marketing spin teams. We love looking at hardware and explaining our adventures with you. Our soul purpose is to give you as much information and as many resources to help you make up your own mind about a new product or technology.
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Thanks a lot man.
I like people who are able to stay objective even when rich companies try buy their "vote", their "heart", their "brain", their soul.


I prefer read detail article who talk about real things that short article who just want put powder to our eyes.

Hopefully Tom's Hardware exist and can give us real "beat" of things.
One thousant thanks !!!!!!!!!!

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In my opinion ATI still haven't got an answer to the 8800 GTX at the moment, I actually believe this could be the end of them competing at the very high end with Nvidia. I think the 2900XT was originally designed to beat the 8800 GTX but it clearly doesn't which is why they have priced it lower. To have the most powerful card is what ATI and Nvidia ALWAYS try to achieve when they bring out a new line of cards and ATI have failed this time round. I reckon Nvidia have probably got a lot still up their sleeve and their next high end product is going to obliterate anything ATI can produce.

Not a chance, the R700 is still in the pipe and AMD has already said their long term strategy depends on the high end until they transition to Fusion and VPCPUs.

I don't understand what is so difficult to get about this. There's a difference between the CHIP and the card, if you don't know the difference stop posting, it's best for everyone.

The HD2900XT was not originally designed to beat the GTX, if anything the XTX was. Now that the XTX didn't come out doesn't change the XT to now being the card designed to beat the GTX, it is still the card designed to beat the GTS which it looks like it may achieve in some areas, and miss in others. The XT's lower memory amount, lower clocks shows it wasn't near the top of it's potential so it's been cut back for price concerns, not performance concerns, so that's not a high end part.

Now the R600 most definitely was meant to dethrone the G80, and at this point in the game it has failed in that.

Actually the 'most powerful card' is a PR issue, nV brought out the less powerful card in the GF7900, so your 'ALWAYS' doesn't rely fit now does it? The main thing is if it's not worth the money to make the XTX, the smart thing to do, like in the past for both companies, is to sell the money making card, like nV did with the GF6800GT.

Sure, and I 'reckon' that S3 will come out with a super-secret uber part that destroys them both and leaves scar tissue on intel.

LOL you muppet I have been buying the fastest graphics cards in the world for years my friend and have am quite confident that I have plenty of knowledge, speaking as someone who bought the first graphic accelerator cards (3dfx).

Ape, in the graphic card market it is very important to ATI and Nvidia whether their card is the fastest. This is a massive PR win over their rival. My point is this, I can't see why ATI would take so long to develop a card that doesn't beat their rival and take the performance crown, unless they simply couldn't. This way Nvidia don't have to drop their price and ATI lose in my opinion the most significant market sector, the top end. I have been buying ATI cards for quite a while as their card was the most powerful at the time when i came to upgrade. I actually waited for the R600 to come out and did not buy an 8800 GTX becuase of this. Now I am gutted and wished I had becuase I have missed out on months of better quality gaming and I bet there are many people out there in the same position.

Nvidia have had their 8800 GTX card out for months, I think we can safely say they haven't been twiddling their thumbs. I also reckon they bought out the the Ultra version of the 8800 GTX just before ATI were due to release the R600 to make ATI's new range look even more inferior. If the 2900 XT was not due to compete with the 8800 GTX where is the card that was? I have not heard about the XTX but do they expect people to wait even longer? I am not.

the best post i have ever seen in this thread. there is no card that future proof because there will be a next card out every 6 months. and people will go to buy that. so saying R600 is more future proof is just absurd.

ye, skyguy's post is the best ever.....unless you engage your brain for a second.

Their Fusion will fail & then the 3rd world war will start between ATI & nVIDIA's Fanboys and then some Nuclear bombs will destroy the whole Earth and then we will spend the eternity together fighting each other about ATI & nVIDIA!(Wow, that's gonna fun! )

OMFG What see sawing performance crown? That is my point. The crown hasn't see sawed this time. As you say, normally when ATI or nvidia bring their new range it takes the crown but ATI have failed this time. This isn't a "noobish, knee-jerk sensationalism attitude" this is a fact. Nvidia are going to be racking up sales and guess where the money is going to go? R & D on their next project which will raise the bar even higher

Exactly.

If ATi pops out a 2900 XTX on 65nm this summer, which is possible as thats what the mainstream cards will be, we'll see the see-saw again.

ATi didn't plan on 80nm leakage and I'm sure TSMC didn't either.

well do you think Nvidia is just sitting around. they will shrink the die for G80 to 80MM and increase the clock Speed and if rumours prove to be true for 8900 series that it has 160 stream processors then there no chance for R600 to take the crown back

no you measure gen for gen.

ati's x1 series had the high end covered, now, for the time being at least(remember only 4 days since launch) nvidia has the performacen crown over the 2xxxx series.

you are mixing up generations and product cycles.

indeeed, as far as sales go(which is what really matters), we have no idea who is going to win. my money is on ATI again for the mid to mid high end.

i do not see nvidia even having a 7600gt this time around to compete.

again, you really are looking like a noob, a newb is one thing but a noob, pitiful

No it's FartCry, and check your history, I've called it that (check pretty much every time I've called it that) since nVidia got busted for optimizing their drivers for it.

So really, whose the smart boy now little man.

My wording is a pun for those in the know, your statements are just plain FUK-ups!

I am so fuking glad I did not wait around like this and instead bought an 8800GTX at launch because for the past 7 months it has been pure gaming heaven for me and now ATI's supposed 8800GTX killer is out and we all get to see who is laughing last and the hardest

ROBSLI is like shakirou, fun at first, but then becomes too repetitive and annonying with his bullsh1t...

People that have not owned a G80 since launch really need to STFU about the drivers as you don't even have a clue to what you are talking about

The 8800GTX's launch drivers presented a few bugs in some games but the performance it self was nothing short of anything but stellar, Unlike what we are seeing with ATI's bad image quality plus unusually low performance.