R600: Finally DX10 Hardware from ATI - Page 7

And all I can do is laugh at your stupid ass because you lack the necessary intelligence based on this topic to be able to actually add anything useful besides trying to tell my my post are not worth anything

I am fuking 100% right in every thing I have stated thus far concerning the R600vs8800GTX.

lol, if anyone lacks intelligence, it's you my friend. Don't even try to tell me that you think you're intelligent... you remind me of the incredible hulk... all you do is get blinded by your emotions. Haha. You're just too funny.

Thanks for proving my point about you

I'd be interested in first had experience of this card. I 'upgraded' to a 7600GT about 6 months ago and the image quality was awful both in 3d and video compared to my previous ATI. It didn't even have FSAA enabled in the default driver settings (choosing not to AA textures with transparency).

Sure nVidia get the best FPS but they cheat and take short cuts.

The drivers were (and still are) buggy too, I never really had a problem with ATI's that wasn't fixed in weeks.

Give me a functioning ATI card with it's higher quality 3d and video over a few FPS and a dull lifeless image any day

EDIT: I have just checked some commets/reviews that say the nVidia cards are better than the ATI on 3d quality ... even if most agreed ATI is better, the ATI drivers are pretty immature so I guess we'll just have to wait, see what comes out of ATI in the next few weeks and really produce a decisive result one way or the other

This thread was doing good. Let me say.. if you cant spell it.. well.. like STFU, fuk or WTF.. seems some guy here.. well guessing its a guy keeps using these over and over. Maybe, and just tossing this out, maybe if you cant spell the word dont abbreviate it? Lol yeah your the smart one of the bunch. Bud.. you sit behind a computer saying nothing but words. Thats the best you can do? YAWN.

Does anyone remember when the 8800 first came out? WOW it made Vista fly THREE months later.. NOT! Now unlike ROB I can show you site after site where they were PISSED and ready to lynch Nvidia because of the lack of drivers. Its funny how you dont hear anything about that only NOW. Oh and pat your self on the back for that NEW 8800 you bought in NOV, it runs dx9 games SUPER FAST! So ATI comes out and guess what.. yep there drivers are raw. But what is ATI really late for? Nothing.. just late on their word when the card would come out. Now me .. I always have one of each ATI/Nvidia card. So when I talk its not from what I have READ but what MY computers show me. Three computers but with two.. one with x2 AMD/ Intel duo. LOL now for ME on both computers the 8800 does not run on par in Vista as it does in XP. XP is alot faster.. but I guess its just me. OOH yes let me guess it must be the wrong BETA drivers and theres a TON out now. ATI in vista runs games fine but at the same speed as my x1900. Now in XP WOW .. every game is more than double fps was for my x1900. But has fog problems and little things like that. And you have to be kidding me when it comes to FPS. I see 115 fps I dont give a crap if ATI or NV can do 150.

Anyway I know I jumped around but ATI just came out and the only ball they dropped was "6 months" release. I was lucky to see how it did in Crysis and WOW and by then all this ATI sucks or late well be all gone. So behind or head of NV I dont care. I love both. Love NV for doing 3D ..

I am all for ATI, hell I really wanted to go with ATI this gen, I got a crossfire board and everything. After a few months of waiting I said "what the hell" and got an 8800(thanks to grape ape and robsx2/robslin/green768/slinrob who advised me not to wait anymore (ironically I think that's the only time they ever agreed on anything))

Please explain in detail how nVidia is cheating and taking shortcuts.

I totally understand.

I wanted to go with ATi this generation as well. I moved my nF 4 SLI 939 mobo and 4400+ to my tech bench at work and bought an ASUS A8NR-32 MVP and Opty 170 OC'd to 2.9 to be ready for R600.

I just ripped out my X1800XT 512 and gave it to a special friend and installed an EVGA 8800GTS 320MB (Superclocked) .

I wanted my existing games to run even better at 1680x1050 with more than 4X AA and this card guaruntees that. Now I'll sit back and relax and see what wins the Crysis war...

PS. This card is VERY loud and it takes a while after you shut the game down to return to idle speed. So people poking fun at R600's noise can STFU

I am all for ATI, hell I really wanted to go with ATI this gen, I got a crossfire board and everything. After a few months of waiting I said "what the hell" and got an 8800(thanks to grape ape and robsx2/robslin/green768/slinrob who advised me not to wait anymore (ironically I think that's the only time they ever agreed on anything))

Please explain in detail how nVidia is cheating and taking shortcuts.

well nvidia got caught before optimizing 3dmark.. it was 2003 if I remember correctly.. by reducing a lot of image quality.
also I remember one website a looong time ago ( when the 1800XT wasout.. and the 7800 512 was considered king ) that claimed Nvidia didnt even processed the full directX standards, by forcing all the graphics from 32 bit mode to 16-24 bit mode (compressing it when rendering ) so get more fps... it might have been a rumor but who knows..

I wonder if that study site was still up o_O

With all the rampant pro-ATI vs. pro-nVidia postings in this thread, the point *I* was trying to make is that not everyone can afford to throw out perfectly usable hardware (even AGP hardware), just because a GPU manufacturer (such as nVidia) is trying to force the issue. The question I *have* to ask all those that are now gaming at 1280x960 (or greater) vs. 1024x768 (given that few games support widescreen gaming at all, and even fewer support gaming at 1680x1050, which has become the typical 22" or 24" desktop resolution of choice) is the detail difference *that much higher* at the taller resolution?

The prime reason for *my* reluctance to change over is because it is, literally, a $1,000 decision (actually, that doesn't even include the cost of Windows Vista, either). Going from AGP to PCIe requires a new motherboard + new CPU + new RAM + new PSU (to take the new graphics card). Worse, no 8800GTS320 is going to cost less than $300 (even e-tail) after factoring in shipping. So I'd be looking at no less than $1,500 (floor cost). That does *not* include new drives (either hard or optical, let alone floppy). That is serious money, and I'm not rich by any means.

However, ATI is giving me the option (via AIB Sapphire Technology) of DX 10 AGP hardware. While *some* games may not take advantage of it (such as Crysis or Lost Planet) others, (such as CnC3 or even SupCom) very easily could (as with the 8800GTS, it depends on your application mix, even when the applications are games). Again, that is an option *none* of nVidia's AIBs are giving me at all (has any of them even brought up the possibility of an 8600GT, let alone GTS, in AGP?). That is a saving of a not-insignificant sum.

I have the Sapphire Radeon HD 2900 XT x 2 in crossfire mode running on a ASUS P5W DH Deluxe motherboard with a Quadcore 6600 CPU (Intel). It gives me amazing graphics on the games that actually run on Vista64, however, it is HOT! So far (I have only ran this for 3 days), it is running between 70-91 deg Celsius. That pushes my CPU up to 38 C, and my motherboard up to 68 C when gaming.
It gives me a lot of difficulty though with games themselves. I get blinking, game crashes, etc... but when it runs stable, its incredible. Just running Halflife 2 (as long as I sync the Vsync, otherwise it blinks), the graphics are intense.

Worth the 1000.00 CDN? not yet...
I think I have to revert to Windows XP in order to really try the card out. Vista 64 Ultimate seems to be giving me all kinds of trouble.. and the motherboard is a chore just to get it to recognize the hardware correctly (recognizes Mushkin 6400 ram as 5300 by default.. still only runs it at half the speed (400 mhz).

Just info for you.. hopefully its helpful.

You mean you couldn't correct that in the BIOS?

Yeah, I'm too afraid of Vista.

Then again, the next time I build a machine, it might be totally different. I mean, I might have a HDCP compliant monitor, a Blue Ray/HD-DVD burner, SATA HD (instead of PATA), a quad core (instead of single core), DDR3 RAM and Windows Vista.

This stuff might all be here next year. I can't wait for UT3 though.

Hey you say 2900xt won't keep up to the 8800 gtx ,well the boys over at exterem-pc.ca has a solution. they tweak the card up gave it a gig of ram with a speed over 2ghz with the core gpu at 875 . Now they say it will keep up to the 8800gtx ultra in most games.Tomshardware should get one of those babies and test it out. they also say it will kick butt of what ever nvidia will throw at it in crossfire against sli but no actual proof

Wait for the g100/r700. Then you will see some cards that don't suck with DX10. It will be worth the (long) wait. By then everything else (including drivers) should be mature enough as well.

I expect on a Tessellation benchmark, the 2900XT will crush the 8800 GTX. No matter how TWEAKED the 8800 GTX is. This should come soon.

Thanks for the link. The TruForm looks cool as all heck. Perhaps Tessellation can be added to Oblivion??
I'm still looking for ANY Tessellation benchmark.

That would be cool, but Morrowind supported Truform from the start, it just needed to be enabled. Oblivion on the other hand doesn't have the option to add it right now. They could do an add-on later, but I wouldn't hold my breath, not worth Dev time if you ask me. They do a pretty good job of parallax mapping on the cave walls (best implementation I'd seen prior to COJ).

There's no tesellation specific benchmark the way rthdribl is for HDR, and such but the AMD WhiteOut demo does use tessellation in the mountain relief IIRC. Yeah;
http://ati.amd.com/developer/demos/rhd2000.html#