AMD ruin ati? HD 2900xt flop? Can AMD be saved from itself! - Page 2 - CPUs

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Wow seriously, what a lame ass post. You suck, your post sucks, and most of your previous posts suck. You are a sheep, one who dwells with thier dominant master.

some people - god said in the bible "vengeance is mine"

vern if you are a sheep i must be a goat?

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ok back to post -- ya i think the shrink will help ati - maybe the delay is due to the die shrink? since they could not get it done in time they decided to make the super cookers before they completely loose all loyal ati fans?

i think the xtx is oem only?

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The X2900XTX has been scrapped as far as I know and the replacement is the X2950XTX @ 65nm.

Reply to dragonsprayer

Since you made a conclusion. I assume you have tested it yourself with DX10 games too. It's too early to tell. The HD side is a good deal too especially for us who have single cores. An extra help from these cards is great.

Reply to goonting

nah i ran it few mins did some tests, 3dmark06, doom3, and tossed in box (you want it?) i am too busy to game it - i don't think i will either.

i am thinking about about not selling systems with this card i don't want issues.

i stopped gaming a year ago after 20 yrs kingquests, bards tale, pool of radiance, d1, d2 -- you get the point. i am ramping up for hellgate london to re-game again.

i built a raid10/0 975x system just for the x2900 - the heat is an issue with me - i don't like it. i stick with a x1950 and 8800gts.

it makes the room hot i swear!

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i agree the audio is cool - since quad core is going $250 soon and core 2 chips have so much headroom - thats really not an issue for new systems
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i will agree the audio makes the card really cool - does anyone know if there is a water cooling block???

Reply to dragonsprayer

That is a good point... if anything the XTX is just a higher clocked XT, which is stupid. I have the gut feeling it was scrapped entirely at 80nm and everything was binned to XT levels and the X2950XTX was supposed to be the 65nm version with near 1ghz core and GDDR4.

Well, now that I think about it I remember reading the XTX would be GDDR4 1GB and pushed back into June, but what I don't know is if it was 80nm or 65 nm.

See this kind of crap confuses me. It keeps on changing.

I will say this for sure, if it is 80nm you can bet it won't beat a GTX, the extra memory won't help it enough and we will have another 6800 Ultra vs. 6800 GT situation on our hands.

Oh side note: that 8 pin power connector is for ATI overdrive, you can use a standard 6 pin pci-e connector and you will be fine, just have to use another tool to OC.

Reply to SuperFly03

your right it is the 65nm i think - the 1gb was from the beginning

overdrive are you kidding its hot - hum? i am afraid my system will melt?

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your right it is the 65nm i think - the 1gb was from the beginning

I agree.[1GB part]

It seems the R600 (X2900XTX) is 80nm and the R650 (X2950XTX) is 65nm.

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overdrive are you kidding its hot - hum? i am afraid my system will melt?

Well isn't it cheaper to heat your apt with your computer than your house's/apartment's heater? 8O

Reply to SuperFly03

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3 things make this a problem child.
1.)17 whatever units

What else is new about that from AMD? :lol:

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2.)power use/heat

What you don't need a space heater 24/7? :roll:

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3.)price

This will change with time... AMD is obviously willing to adjust prices. You did know that X2's are so cheap now that they give them away in BK/McDonald's Happy Meals?

Reply to SuperFly03

Eh... my pinky finger handles more data than that. 8O

Also, doesn't the NB handle the video?

Reply to SuperFly03

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RMA the thing and wait for the 65nm; Dewd that heat is just unmanagable. Onless youre pushing 2k cfm through your case. And have water blocks everywhere. Thats got to bring the southbridge temps up as well,especially oc'd.

wow i just ordered another one - what sucker for punishment - if i crossfire i think i can make a cold fusion reaction with palladium catalyst and some hydrogen from my been burrito

ya its time for bed when i get crazy - i am going to try a different one - i can always rma

np - i sell it and collect all these free g5 mice at the egg!

nb is more then memory

pci and pic-x usbs lan 1394 go through sb

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i will agree the audio makes the card really cool - does anyone know if there is a water cooling block???

In vern's link to the Liquid Nitrogen there was an article at the bottom about a waterblock. Think it was dangerden.

Reply to Dade_0182

it appears to me the koolance blocks from my x1900-x1950 i still have in stock might fit.

since koolance has not posted it - it must need some mods - if i tear off the cooler i will probably loose my rma status.

i am going to think on it?

i am not working on modifying an 10,000 btu window air conditioner and 10" flexible duct work to/from my window - lol-j/k

does anyone know if the old x1900 blocks can be modified for the hd 2900xt????????????????

Reply to dragonsprayer

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HD 2900xt.
Its not a flop
Expect the flames of hell and heaven to consume this thread.
Stock is going up because of a recent massive purchase by fidelity. Others are following the trend.

This card couldnt touch the stocks either way since it is a low volume item due to its price.

If youre smart you will read about the architecture of the chip and how cool it is, and if you are smarter still you will realize ,writing a driver for one is probably a pain in the azz. This card is cool.

please post a link for some data about the architecture of the R600

Reply to DECENEU

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it appears to me the koolance blocks from my x1900-x1950 i still have in stock might fit.

since koolance has not posted it - it must need some mods - if i tear off the cooler i will probably loose my rma status.

i am going to think on it?

i am not working on modifying an 10,000 btu window air conditioner and 10" flexible duct work to/from my window - lol-j/k

does anyone know if the old x1900 blocks can be modified for the hd 2900xt????????????????

I dont think you can. Go here http://www.techpowerup.com/ look at some of their news. It shows in o0ne of their reviews how to mod, or like was said Danger Den...

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HD 2900xt.
Its not a flop
Expect the flames of hell and heaven to consume this thread.
Stock is going up because of a recent massive purchase by fidelity. Others are following the trend.

This card couldnt touch the stocks either way since it is a low volume item due to its price.

If youre smart you will read about the architecture of the chip and how cool it is, and if you are smarter still you will realize ,writing a driver for one is probably a pain in the azz. This card is cool.

please post a link for some data about the architecture of the R600 Heres a good one http://www.xbitlabs.com/articles/v [...] cture.html

Reply to jaydeejohn

kewl, this is one of the better ones also

Reply to jaydeejohn

Please dont bring up drivers. Ive been accused of being a fabboy because of-the 80nm from TSMC was leakeir than hell, the AA problems and the fact that the XT was meant to combat the GTS. If I dared mentioned DRIVERS......

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I am sure the issues will get ironed out, take away the power and heat problems and its a friggen sweet card on a max oc.

Wasn't that exactly the things we railed against Intel with their Netburst line sucked up too much power and ran too hot. Called them "Preshots" so should we start calling the HD's "Hot Dewds".

Reply to baldeagle

To be fair the prescott couldn't really keep up with AMD yet the XT is at least keeping up with the GTS for now, generally. My how the roles have reversed...

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To be fair the prescott couldn't really keep up with AMD yet the XT is at least keeping up with the GTS for now, generally. My how the roles have reversed...

Actually none of the Netburst line did well against any of the Athlons a couple poked ahead here and there but AMD pretty well ruled the roost for years. I think they need to put new HD2900XT's into each of the design engineers PC's and give them closed offices with no windows and no air conditioning I expect they have a new card out by the end of the month. If you wanted to get faster results upgrade them to quad FX's you'll have new cards in a week.

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To be fair the prescott couldn't really keep up with AMD yet the XT is at least keeping up with the GTS for now, generally. My how the roles have reversed...

Actually none of the Netburst line did well against any of the Athlons a couple poked ahead here and there but AMD pretty well ruled the roost for years. I think they need to put new HD2900XT's into each of the design engineers PC's and give them closed offices with no windows and no air conditioning I expect they have a new card out by the end of the month. If you wanted to get faster results upgrade them to quad FX's you'll have new cards in a week.

Actually if you really want a new card design... give them a few 4x4 platforms with Xfire X2900XT's in there and no air flow... I bet you'd have a new card by the end of the day just so the engineers wouldn't die of heat exhaustion lol. 8O

Reply to SuperFly03

Why the price entry point of $429 for the 2900XT? I can't figure out why AMD did that.

Now if you go back about 5-6 months ago the opening price for the 8800 GTS was $450.

If ATI had launched at the same time as the 8800 opening at $429 we probably would not be bashing it. You would be saving about $20 over the 8800 and have a decent card.

However that did not happen. AMD has already shot themselves in the foot by dragging out this launch by 6 months. Then they throw it out in the the market priced considerably higher than their competition. 8800 GTS are now selling for as low as $359 for the 640MB verison.

AMD/ATI are not really giving customers any incentive to buy their product.

Reply to Rwayne

The two complaints which keep coming up, hot and noisy, I haven't found to be true. I honestly think that this card runs <10C warmer than my old 6800s, and I have yet to hear the fan. What you probably hear is all of the air rushing out of the back of the card, the cooler has crazy airflow!

Reply to EXT64

Verndewd.

Based on your experience with the industry how many months do you think it will take before the 2900XT will match the 8800GTS in price?

BTW you have some great posts.

Reply to Rwayne

So let's say that ATi or AMD lauched this RD600 only to be present in the market. It's not easy to join two completely different companies and make things go right at first. RD600 is not the product that we ATI and nVidia expected because it doesn't give us the feeling of the challenge. There is no gain at all because both ATI and nVidia didn't give us better products. Only faster and hotter. We need speed but with efficiency as Intel has done with Core 2. Maybe the force will be with them to bring us a better surprise. :roll:

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:twisted: wow - i was researching water cooling and look what post i found on page 4!

page 4 on google search this post came up! my search was:

"water cooling hd 2900xt"

still looking for how to mod my old x1950 koolance water blocks to the 2900.

:evil: what an oven!

note: to amti, I ordered an 8800 gtx today - i think this card (hd 2900xt) has such great potential why was it not sold with water blocks?

why no water cooled version at launch?

why did u not work with the water cooling oem's? since you knew it was so hot?

it seems amd can F#$% up anything!

PS amti, my hd 2900xt is in box while figure out how to cool the beast! (beast's #2 comes tomorrow)

Reply to dragonsprayer

Well, per an article I saw....Sapphire will have a TOXIC water cooled verison of the 2900XT which willl feature 1 Gig of on board Ram in June.

If ATI can tweak the drivers the 2900XT could be an incredible card.

Doesn't it have something like 106 GB of bandwidth compared to the 8800 GTX which only has 81 GB of bandwidth?

I was dumping on ATI earlier but they may be able to do something with the 2900XT if they can get the drivers right.

Reply to Rwayne

By the time they "get the drivers sorted out" there will be new cards out anyway. The 2900XT is, at best, a reasonable competitor for the 8800 GTS. Ati has not "raised the bar" in any way shape or form. I think that's what most people are complaining about.

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Doesn't it have something like 106 GB of bandwidth compared to the 8800 GTX which only has 81 GB of bandwidth?

105.6GB/s of memory bandwith vs. 86.4 on the GTX and 64 on the GTS. it even has more memory bandwith than the Ultra. But as all the reviews show, raw memory bandwith doesn't equal performance.

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is the 2900 for sale yet?

Its been out for a week.I wasn't sure if he was serious. I mean there were more than just a couple of threads of where it was available...

Reply to Dade_0182

The 2900XT doesn't "suck" . It kills the 8800GTS, the drivers are getting better and the hardware will do much better when real DX10 games come out. There are some synthetic DX10 benchmarks (like growing a mountain from a 2d map) that show the 2900 like 5x a 8800GTX! (too lazy to dig up the link)
I expect shortly the price of the 8800GTS and the 2900XT will be about the same (the card rthe 2900XT should comptete against).
Then when real DX10 games (not the DX9 games translated to DX10) come out, the 2900XTX should be a screamer!
yes, I agree the 2900 is late and that doesn't help anything and I expect ATI will finish the card faster than with AMD (for now)

Reply to enewmen

Perhaps they should offer the 2900XT card for FREE with every purchase of Half-Life 2 or something :twisted:

Reply to inztigator

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The 2900XT doesn't "suck" . It kills the 8800GTS, the drivers are getting better and the hardware will do much better when real DX10 games come out.

Clearly you are EXTREMELY optimistic

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There are some synthetic DX10 benchmarks (like growing a mountain from a 2d map) that show the 2900 like 5x a 8800GTX! (too lazy to dig up the link)

When you do FIND this link, send it to me. Until then, SWEAT DREAMS :lol:

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I expect shortly the price of the 8800GTS and the 2900XT will be about the same (the card rthe 2900XT should comptete against). Then when real DX10 games (not the DX9 games translated to DX10) come out, the 2900XTX should be a screamer!
yes, I agree the 2900 is late and that doesn't help anything and I expect ATI will finish the card faster than with AMD (for now)

You know something we don't know :?:

Reply to inztigator

I agree. But these drivers didn't up the performance to such a degree that it multiplied its performance. Believe me, I have owned a 8800GTX since December.

Reply to inztigator

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The 2900XT doesn't "suck" . It kills the 8800GTS, the drivers are getting better and the hardware will do much better when real DX10 games come out.

Clearly you are EXTREMELY optimistic

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There are some synthetic DX10 benchmarks (like growing a mountain from a 2d map) that show the 2900 like 5x a 8800GTX! (too lazy to dig up the link)

When you do FIND this link, send it to me. Until then, SWEAT DREAMS :lol:

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I expect shortly the price of the 8800GTS and the 2900XT will be about the same (the card rthe 2900XT should comptete against). Then when real DX10 games (not the DX9 games translated to DX10) come out, the 2900XTX should be a screamer!
yes, I agree the 2900 is late and that doesn't help anything and I expect ATI will finish the card faster than with AMD (for now)

You know something we don't know :?:
Here is the LINK. and THIS. Notice the shader pixel and vertex speed is over 5x faster. Old news really.

Reply to enewmen

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By the time they "get the drivers sorted out" there will be new cards out anyway. The 2900XT is, at best, a reasonable competitor for the 8800 GTS. Ati has not "raised the bar" in any way shape or form. I think that's what most people are complaining about.

Doesn't it have something like 106 GB of bandwidth compared to the 8800 GTX which only has 81 GB of bandwidth?

105.6GB/s of memory bandwith vs. 86.4 on the GTX and 64 on the GTS. it even has more memory bandwith than the Ultra. But as all the reviews show, raw memory bandwith doesn't equal performance.

No, greater bandwidth does not equate to better performance but it is a much wider highway for data to travel which gives it the capacity to out perform cards with lesser bandwidth.

I think at this point in time we can not judge the 2900XT. Once the drivers mature I think there is incredible potenial. One post said performance benchmark was increased by 43% with one driver update.

From a logic standpoint why would ATI create a card with that much bandwidth if they knew the rest of the hardware would not me able to take advantage of that bandwidth? I think much more potenial exists.

But either way I am going to wait for the 2950XT to come out before I make a purchase. If I buy a card is going to be fabricated on the 65nm process rather than 80.

But I like ATI. 320 stream processors compared to like 96 or 128 stream processors for the Geforce 8800? The 2900XT has got to be a much prettier picture to look at.

Reply to Rwayne

Good grief. I can't believe you posted a link to a Jap/Chinese/Korean or whatever website.

Can you even read what is said?

I will simply pi$$ and moan like many ATI fanboys, and say that with decent drivers the 8800 will crush the 2900XT/XTX wrt shaders :lol:

All you have at this point is speculation of what the card might or might not do, unless you can say that the LINK you mentioned is credible :lol:

Reply to inztigator

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Good grief. I can't believe you posted a link to a Jap/Chinese/Korean or whatever website.

Can you even read what is said?

I will simply pi$$ and moan like many ATI fanboys, and say that with decent drivers the 8800 will crush the 2900XT/XTX wrt shaders :lol:

All you have at this point is speculation of what the card might or might not do, unless you can say that the LINK you mentioned is credible :lol:

Did you notice the other link as well?
Just take the links for what they are worth. For now there are no games built from the ground up to benchmark DX10. So for now we can get hints from synthetic benchmarks. From what little I know, the 2900 will do well as expected from senior forum members.
I peronally will wait until the 2nd gen cards come out in about a year.
If you want hard as rock facts on DX10 performance, wait at least 6 months.
And please appreciate a little more of users that spend time searching back for links you demand.

Reply to enewmen

:lol:

I do appreciate the link you sent me...Was just disappointed to not been able to understand it...

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:lol:

I do appreciate the link you sent me...Was just disappointed to not been able to understand it...

Right now there just isn't any software that can exploit the features of the 2900. Until then, the mountain of evidence points to the 8800GTX as superior in DX9 and Win XP. (too many links to list).

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:lol:

I do appreciate the link you sent me...Was just disappointed to not been able to understand it...

Right now there just isn't any software that can exploit the features of the 2900. Until then, the mountain of evidence points to the 8800GTX as superior in DX9 and Win XP. (too many links to list).

The Hot Dewd (HD) 2900 XT was supposed to compete with the 8800GTS which it does. The competition for the 8800 GTX was the HD 29000 XTX which apparently incinerated itself on the launch pad as it's not going to be released.

Reply to baldeagle

Didn't they just delay the 2900XTX

Reply to inztigator

The unofficial rumor is that the X2900XTX was scrapped and the X2950XTX will replace it and be the R650 core on 65nm. This is just a rumor (forgot where I read it), but that is my guess because there isn't really anything else AMD can squeeze out of the R600 clockwise.

Reply to SuperFly03

You ATI fanboys need to stop bitching and moaning about the 2900XT. Its a huge improvement over your previous highend ATI card with great features. The second you see a chink in your armor you bail on your beloved ATI. Maybe you all should have been Nvidia guys to begin with. Us Nvidia guys have had to hear your shit talk for years with the 6 and 7 series GPU's and now finally your alma mater didnt blow out our 8 series champ. Now you can't take a little heat (literally with that hot ass 2900xt). If you want your beloved ATI to do well then all of you need to buy a damn HD 2900XT so they have a REASON to improve their product drivers.

Personally, I'm an AMD cpu fanboy and I would HATE to see you ATI guys ruin my beloved company because they made the mistake of buying your damn maple leaf Canadian master. Don't screw up AMD by talking shit about your own company. AMD is a much better company than your ATI used to be and they will ensure a successful future as long as we be patient and support their technology which will probably be slightly better than Intel at the time. This is pretty much fact judging from their SERVER processor performance which gives us a glimpse into next gen AMD desktop CPUs. I want AMD to last and all of your bitching and moaning is hurting that. The HD 2900XT performs better than the 8800GTS in enough benchies to allow it to be a healthy competitor. If you have to buy a high quality PSU just to power it then so be it. If you call yourself an enthusiast you all need good PSUs for stable overclocking and performance anyway. Also it will give you good reason to switch to highend water cooling. The HD 2900XT should be used as an excuse to build or upgrade your system to a highend box. So quit whining.

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I will buy new PC soon and am interested in 2900XT because its more future proof. I dont want to buy Graphic card every generation. Its waste of money I need buy one good card for at least 2 years and i think best solution is 2900XT. Before years best soliution was 8800GTS or GTX who bought that they are happy. Iff i'll get the Sapphire Toxic then all minuses of 2900XT should be revoked (Noise, heat) except big power use.

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The 2900XT doesn't "suck" . It kills the 8800GTS, the drivers are getting better and the hardware will do much better when real DX10 games come out. There are some synthetic DX10 benchmarks (like growing a mountain from a 2d map) that show the 2900 like 5x a 8800GTX! (too lazy to dig up the link)
I expect shortly the price of the 8800GTS and the 2900XT will be about the same (the card rthe 2900XT should comptete against).
Then when real DX10 games (not the DX9 games translated to DX10) come out, the 2900XTX should be a screamer!
yes, I agree the 2900 is late and that doesn't help anything and I expect ATI will finish the card faster than with AMD (for now)

Everyone keeps saying that the HD 2900XT will kill the 8800 series in Direct X10, but so far there has been no proof. In fact, the 8800GTX even outperformed the HD 2900XT in the Call of Juarez benchmark, yet it was sponsored by ATI/AMD.

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Personally, I'm an AMD cpu fanboy and I would HATE to see you ATI guys ruin my beloved company because they made the mistake of buying your damn maple leaf Canadian master. Don't screw up AMD by talking **** about your own company. AMD is a much better company than your ATI used to be and they will ensure a successful future as long as we be patient and support their technology which will probably be slightly better than Intel at the time.

ATI was doing fine before crapD came in with their problems! Why don`t you buy the way too hot, power hungry and noisy fuckup called 2900xt?

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The 2900XT doesn't "suck" . It kills the 8800GTS, the drivers are getting better and the hardware will do much better when real DX10 games come out. There are some synthetic DX10 benchmarks (like growing a mountain from a 2d map) that show the 2900 like 5x a 8800GTX! (too lazy to dig up the link)
I expect shortly the price of the 8800GTS and the 2900XT will be about the same (the card rthe 2900XT should comptete against).
Then when real DX10 games (not the DX9 games translated to DX10) come out, the 2900XTX should be a screamer!
yes, I agree the 2900 is late and that doesn't help anything and I expect ATI will finish the card faster than with AMD (for now)

Everyone keeps saying that the HD 2900XT will kill the 8800 series in Direct X10, but so far there has been no proof. In fact, the 8800GTX even outperformed the HD 2900XT in the Call of Juarez benchmark, yet it was sponsored by ATI/AMD.
As little as I know, the first non-ported to DX10 game is Crysis. Then I hope to finally see some hard numbers. If the 2900 is still lame that time, then I finally stop defending the poor little 2900.

Reply to enewmen

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Are you saying that you have a 2900? As a true ATI fan, I have finally given up. Why should anyone buy a x2600xt when you can get a much cooler GTS? Maybe I just got a bad card?

Or is this a typo? or pure speculation about the wrong card to begin with?

AMD + intel +AMD = 2x HDMI

whats really small, red and really hot? this mobo combo in silvestone microatx case!

i even got tp to wipe after i #$%# if it works! lol

my apologies - i am too busy to read my own post - but i found something to do with my x2900

that's an x6800 - wow - i think its 3.7ghx of badazz intel, wait no that's amd flames, what is it? is it a bird a plane? no its

yes thats an ati chipset with an intel chip and and an ati gpu - excuse me amd.

:evil: amti-tel! :twisted:

Reply to dragonsprayer

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Personally, I'm an AMD cpu fanboy and I would HATE to see you ATI guys ruin my beloved company because they made the mistake of buying your damn maple leaf Canadian master. Don't screw up AMD by talking **** about your own company. AMD is a much better company than your ATI used to be and they will ensure a successful future as long as we be patient and support their technology which will probably be slightly better than Intel at the time.

ATI was doing fine before crapD came in with their problems! Why don`t you buy the way too hot, power hungry and noisy ****** called 2900xt?

Correction ATI was always power hungry and sometimes noisy, however, the hot and mediocre performance is a new twist.

Reply to baldeagle

I now have my wife and daughter blow dry their hair behind the 2900xt.

Just run 3dmark06 and by the end your hair is all dry!

Warning: Do not try this at home!

I am rigging up an old broom handle to my small pc and trying to make combo leaf blower and portable gaming device - stay tuned.

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