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You're LYING. PERIOD! I never had an opinion except to say that they must have really improved their prefetching or were using a form of RHT.
 
STOP LYING. Show everyone this. If you don't YOU'RE LYING FOR FUD.
 
 
 
Fine.
 
You never believed any of the C2D results, no matter what site or tech orginization did them.  They were all Intel pumpers, and tried to spread FUD (as you like to use) for their own reasons.
 
So, sure, we are all lying, BM.  You win.  Yay for you.
 
Happy now.  Now maybe you can sporadically post again.
 
Oh, and here you go with the Brood thing...


 
 
So find that. you can't. It's just like before. So I guess it wasn't Jack. I have never said anything about "paid pumpers." That should be an easy term to find.
 
Stop lying to impress your girlfriends.


 
 
Can you comprehend the English language, or do you just like to read bits and pieces and not complete sentences?
 
Here's what I wrote:
"You never believed any of the C2D results, no matter what site or tech orginization did them.  They were all Intel pumpers, and tried to spread FUD (as you like to use) for their own reasons."
Now, where in there did I say you said that?  Hmm...  Maybe that supposed IT education doesn't include comprehension.  
 
So, let me help you understand what I wrote.  
First, I said you never believed any of the results, no matter what site or tech org did them.  Pretty simple to understand.  Now, I think this is where you got confused.  See the word "They", it's not a shorten version for "you said they".  It means that I was referring back to the site or tech orgs, that I was talking about in the previous sentence (I underlined them so you can find them easier).  There, maybe that will help you understand a little better.    :whistle:   Maybe if I did it on a powerpoint presentation, it would be easier for you to understand what I wrote.
 
Oh, and I won't go looking for your old posts, cause that's stupid.  Anyone who was around during the initial Core 2 Duo launch remembers what you were posting, so no need to go looking for it.
 
I don't need to impress my girlfriend (I only have 1, thank you).  She thinks you're about the goofiest person on the 'net, she especially likes your Chirstian M. Howell alter ego.  She said you make no sense most of the time, although your "almost made out with a girl on the dance floor" had her laughing for hours.  I tend to agree with her opinion.


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BaronMatrix wrote :

After the hubbub about Jack and the others, I stopped posting for awhile. I used to post AMD news everyday. I HAVE NEVER SAID Core 2s benchmarks were fake. That's what Jack did to make me look bad post things that he couldn't prove about me.
 
That's why I slowed. It's not worth it. Neither are you. Make up some more stuff.


 
 
Once again Baron, you should be careful, very, very, very careful about your memory and what you say, because, again, there are people who remember what you have really said, and, in this particular case, people who actually know the truth about why you stopped posting. People who know that it had nothing to do with you 'stoping' posting voluntarily (as you have insinuated) because of "the hubbub about jack".  
 
In fact, Baron, I think you should actually tell everyone the truth about why you "stopped posting".

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My guess is bannage or warning.
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turpit wrote :

Once again Baron, you should be careful, very, very, very careful about your memory and what you say, because, again, there are people who remember what you have really said, and, in this particular case, people who actually know the truth about why you stopped posting. People who know that it had nothing to do with you 'stoping' posting voluntarily (as you have insinuated) because of "the hubbub about jack".  
 
In fact, Baron, I think you should actually tell everyone the truth about why you "stopped posting".


 
Because you all make me sick. I have never doubted any benchmarks. Someone posted about an "anti-trust" statement which has nothing to do with benchmarks.
 
 
That doesn't seem like trying to make me look bad?

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the_vorlon wrote :

If Intel charged $1000 for an E6550, everybody would buy x2's and the other way around.


 
I do not believe this is a true statement. MORE might buy the amd, but MANY would still buy the intel! I cant say for sure how many would buy each, but I'm guessing with a price differential of $800, about 80% would buy the amd. Which leaves 20% paying $800 more for the intel, at least until it starts to eat away at Intel's name recognition/respect/whatever you call it.


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BaronMatrix wrote :

I'd like to see you find that. No wonder I only sporadically post. It's the same old same old.

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You only "sporadically post"?????? Shall I go back and find the post in which you claim you 'are one of the most prolific posters on THG' or are you going to deny that too? So which is it? You are a "prolific" poster, or you only post "sporadically"?
 
Memory can be a dangerous thing. You may not remember that which you posted, but other people do.

BaronMatrix wrote :

After the hubbub about Jack and the others, I stopped posting for awhile. I used to post AMD news everyday. I HAVE NEVER SAID Core 2s benchmarks were fake. That's what Jack did to make me look bad post things that he couldn't prove about me.
 
That's why I slowed. It's not worth it. Neither are you. Make up some more stuff.

 

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Once again Baron, you should be careful, very, very, very careful about your memory and what you say, because, again, there are people who remember what you have really said, and, in this particular case, people who actually know the truth about why you stopped posting. People who know that it had nothing to do with you 'stoping' posting voluntarily (as you have insinuated) because of "the hubbub about jack".  
 
In fact, Baron, I think you should actually tell everyone the truth about why you "stopped posting".


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Because you all make me sick. I have never doubted any benchmarks. Someone posted about an "anti-trust" statement which has nothing to do with benchmarks.
 
 
That doesn't seem like trying to make me look bad?


 
Nooooooo........we obviously need to go back to basics. Parrot started this thread, titled "First REAL Barcelona Benchmarks", about an update of the now infamous AMD 'compartive performance' marketing slide, which in fact wansnt about "REAL" benchmarks at all, but once again, estimated benchmarks of a simulated chip, and thats completely discounting the fact that they were AMDs own marketing machinations, and not third party numbers.  
 
You then posted a link to a video of an AMD marketing division employee (who, if anyone watched, was clearly completely and totaly clueless about computers other than what she needed to know to sell them) which you labled "Here are the real benchmarks."
 
 
Now to address the issues.
First: If we "all make you sick", then why do you bother posting here?
Second: Above is the sum of our exchange, not including your benchmarks post and my reply to that, as they have no bearing on the exchange in its current form. There has been no mention of an "anti-trust" statement in the exchange between you and I. Please do not use that as an attempt to divert the conversation, as it does not even remotely apply.
Third: No one can make anyone else "look bad". I can no more make you "look bad" than you can make me "look bad". Only the individual can make themselves "look bad". Only I can make myself "look bad", and only you  can make yourself "look bad". Frankly, even if you could make me "look bad" I certainly dont need your help as I do  spectacularly well making my myself "look bad". How do you make yourself look Barron?
Fourth: You still have not actaully answered a single question, but as is the norm, employed tangetial seques to divert the topics thus avoiding actually addressing the questions with specific answers. So I will put them to you again:
 
"No wonder I only sporadically post" or ''are one of the most prolific posters on THG'
Which is it, prolific or sporadic?
 
"After the hubbub about Jack and the others, I stopped posting for awhile. I used to post AMD news everyday."
 
You stopped posting, as in you voluntarily chose to no longer post, or "slowed" as you have put it, or was it something else?  
 
Again, Baron, I think you should actually tell everyone the truth about why you "stopped posting".
 
 
 

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turpit wrote :

Again, Baron, I think you should actually tell everyone the truth about why you "stopped posting".


 
Ok, now you've got me really curious.  
 
Come on Baron...tell us?    :kaola:  

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bixplus wrote :

Ok, now you've got me really curious.  
 
Come on Baron...tell us?    :kaola:


 
 
I too am wondering if Turpit says there is something more... lol Not that I am on the hate Baron bandwagon. (im too lazy to hate anyone lol)

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turpit wrote :


You stopped posting, as in you voluntarily chose to no longer post, or "slowed" as you have put it, or was it something else?  
 
Again, Baron, I think you should actually tell everyone the truth about why you "stopped posting".


 
While, I am a bit curious, I really don't need to know what BM's reasons are for his posting habits.
 
 


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Alright, alright.  Just to keep more to the topic (sort of), Fuad is suggesting a soft launch of Phenom with the hard launch of Barcelona on the 10th of September.
 
http://www.fudzilla.com/index.php? [...] 1&Itemid=1
 
If this is true, and if this is the official launch of Phenom (even though no product availability until November), is it safe to assume benchmarks of BOTH Barcy and Budapest after this date?

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jwlangs wrote :

Alright, alright.  Just to keep more to the topic (sort of), Fuad is suggesting a soft launch of Phenom with the hard launch of Barcelona on the 10th of September.
 
http://www.fudzilla.com/index.php? [...] 1&Itemid=1
 
If this is true, and if this is the official launch of Phenom (even though no product availability until November), is it safe to assume benchmarks of BOTH Barcy and Budapest after this date?


 
 
Sadly, its not even remotely safe to assume any such thing. Since the introduction of C2D last year, AMD has taken to soft launching its hard launches....meaning while K10 is set to "hard launch" this month, we may not actually see any hitting the market or the OEMs this month. We certainly will see the AMD three ring media circus in full effect, with much accompanying fanfair and bruhaha, but we can only hope that we might actually see the products hitting the market. Given the way AMD has been launching products recently, this months "launch" may just be a "launch" of the box that the K10s are going to be delivered to the OEMs in....someday. Maybe.
 
As for Phenom soft launching, gotta laugh at that one. AMD marketing has gotton so slimy,  they actually had a "launch" for the friggin Phenom logo a few months ago at the canadian F1.  
 
 


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I hear they will be postponing all k10 shipments so they can include an NDA form in all cpu boxes as to keep customers from releasing any kind of useful data or benchmarking.  

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I hear they will be postponing all k10 shipments so they can include an NDA form in all cpu boxes as to keep customers from releasing any kind of useful data or benchmarking.


 
That would be pretty unique, if they could enforce an NDA of any form after selling a CPU (boxed or OEM) to keep customers from releasing any information.
 
They would have to be able to ensure (and enforce) any person from publicly releasing anything after selling the CPU.  How exactly would they do that?  An NDA is only viable for people who are willing to accept the terms of the NDA.  Most customers aren't apt to accept terms on items they buy for their business or themselves.  
 
It's almost like trying to put an NDA on a video game, claiming that the person buying it cannot describe the gameplay, once the game is bought.  It's damn near impossible.  
 
If this rumor has any truth to it, how many units do they expect to sell?


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NMDante wrote :

That would be pretty unique, if they could enforce an NDA of any form after selling a CPU (boxed or OEM) to keep customers from releasing any information.
 
They would have to be able to ensure (and enforce) any person from publicly releasing anything after selling the CPU.  How exactly would they do that?  An NDA is only viable for people who are willing to accept the terms of the NDA.  Most customers aren't apt to accept terms on items they buy for their business or themselves.  
 
It's almost like trying to put an NDA on a video game, claiming that the person buying it cannot describe the gameplay, once the game is bought.  It's damn near impossible.  
 
If this rumor has any truth to it, how many units do they expect to sell?


 
Kind of like the M$ eula...   Interesting concept though.  (by opening the shrinkwrap on this box you agree to whatever we say you wil agree to, and we can change the agreement whenever we want.)
 

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croc wrote :

Kind of like the M$ eula...   Interesting concept though.  (by opening the shrinkwrap on this box you agree to whatever we say you wil agree to, and we can change the agreement whenever we want.)


 
While I agree with you that MS's EULA would be similar, I doubt AMD could prevent the public release of benchmarks or performance numbers with that sort of agreement.  In order to do that, they would have to be able to go and retrieve the products purchased, and that would be near suicide.  To even claim that an NDA would be attached to a CPU purchase could mean the CPU won't live up to the performance claims.  That is something AMD cannot afford at this particular time.
 
While an EULA can be changed via software updates, it too would be near impossible to stop a single entity from airing out certain aspects of the software (be it good or bad).  Same thing with an NDA for a CPU purchase.  Unless AMD is willing to accept the press about recalling CPUs due to a leaked NDA, it would damn near impossible to enforce an NDA when a substantial amount of CPUs are sold and in the publics' hands.


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NMDante wrote :

While I agree with you that MS's EULA would be similar, I doubt AMD could prevent the public release of benchmarks or performance numbers with that sort of agreement.  In order to do that, they would have to be able to go and retrieve the products purchased, and that would be near suicide.  To even claim that an NDA would be attached to a CPU purchase could mean the CPU won't live up to the performance claims.  That is something AMD cannot afford at this particular time.
 
While an EULA can be changed via software updates, it too would be near impossible to stop a single entity from airing out certain aspects of the software (be it good or bad).  Same thing with an NDA for a CPU purchase.  Unless AMD is willing to accept the press about recalling CPUs due to a leaked NDA, it would damn near impossible to enforce an NDA when a substantial amount of CPUs are sold and in the publics' hands.


 
Sarcasm, NM, sarcasm.... Sheesh....

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croc wrote :

Sarcasm, NM, sarcasm.... Sheesh....


Crap, yeah I forgot to add a smiley in there. No points for me! :(
 
Though...

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To even claim that an NDA would be attached to a CPU purchase could mean the CPU won't live u