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well....i can tell you for a fact that at 1280x1024 the 512MB x1950pro works just fine with 0 lag on default HIGH settings in game. BUT, this may be because i also have a E6600 cpu.


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my Ati x1650 played bioshok max out smoothly
but with amd 5600+
i really didn't believed it :) :)

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I really need a dualy :(

 

EDIT: The conclusions they came to there about 50fps needed for smooth gameplay is pretty subjective, many people can play down to 30fps or lower.

 

I played with a single core 3700 pretty much maxed out at 1280x960 and was probably averaging in the 30s and it was fine unless in heavy battle, when it dipped below 20. If I had a dual core (as marvelous said, its great for bioshock) it would probably have been better.

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I see your point. Ive actually found a variety of benckmarks and they all show different numbers..so take them with a grain of salt.

http://www.firingsquad.com/hardwar [...] /page8.asp


Firing Squad has full high quality WITH 4xAF at 1280 by 1200 (must be 1024, a typo), with x1950pro playing 41 fps and 7900GS at 31 fps-- both are playable!
btw both cards tested were 256mb cards, so once again, vram is NOT an issue.


http://www.firingsquad.com/hardwar [...] /page8.asp

I also find fault with the 50fps thing as the human eye can only follow a maximum of 24fps and I game fine between 20-30fps, its below 20fps that it gets choppy (for me).

randomizer wrote :

I really need a dualy :(

EDIT: The conclusions they came to there about 50fps needed for smooth gameplay is pretty subjective, many people can play down to 30fps or lower.

I played with a single core 3700 pretty much maxed out at 1280x960 and was probably averaging in the 30s and it was fine unless in heavy battle, when it dipped below 20. If I had a dual core (as marvelous said, its great for bioshock) it would probably have been better.


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randomizer wrote :

I really need a dualy :(

EDIT: The conclusions they came to there about 50fps needed for smooth gameplay is pretty subjective, many people can play down to 30fps or lower.

I played with a single core 3700 pretty much maxed out at 1280x960 and was probably averaging in the 30s and it was fine unless in heavy battle, when it dipped below 20. If I had a dual core (as marvelous said, its great for bioshock) it would probably have been better.



Wait until Unreal 3 comes out. Oh man... You would be getting creamed in multiplayer if you are going to play @ 30fps. Bioshock you can get away with 30fps because it's only single player.

I think I'm going to sell my blood until I can afford a 8800gtx before crysis and unreal 3 comes out. :na: Anyone want to buy some blood? :pt1cable:

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Vram is only an issue in high resolutions with AA. http://enthusiast.hardocp.com/imag [...] 8zX2wuZ2lm

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- WinXP 32bit - Microsoft Windows XP Pro (SP2)
- Intel System Driver 8.1.1.1010
- Nvidia nForce 590 SLI 9.35
- Nvidia Forceware 162.18
- ATI Catalyst 7.8

 

Legion hardware is using older drivers. In dx10 g84 and g80 actually does better than winxp dx9. Couple frames per second better in average while having slight better IQ. Still better than no performance gain. I'm moving to vista.


Message edited by marvelous211 on 09-06-2007 at 12:15:12 PM
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If I was using a series 7 card wouldnt I have to keep AA off anyway in order to use HDR?

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Vram is only an issue in high resolutions with AA. http://enthusiast.hardocp.com/imag [...] 8zX2wuZ2lm


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If I was using a series 7 card wouldnt I have to keep AA off anyway in order to use HDR?

 

Geforce 7 can't do AA and HDR at the same time. Radeon x1000 series can however.


Message edited by marvelous211 on 09-06-2007 at 12:57:31 PM
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marvelous211 wrote :

Wait until Unreal 3 comes out. Oh man... You would be getting creamed in multiplayer if you are going to play @ 30fps. Bioshock you can get away with 30fps because it's only single player.

I think I'm going to sell my blood until I can afford a 8800gtx before crysis and unreal 3 comes out. :na: Anyone want to buy some blood? :pt1cable:


I know that, I alsways try to get high FPS in multiplayer, but I can play BF2/2142 on 30fps fine, even locked at a constant 30fps when recording with FRAPS.

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yeah i noticed in bioshock that even at 25 fps at places it felth very smooth :S

but yeah, on multiplayers i teld to use lower graphics settings if i dont get over 50fps on max settings on a full server.

so far however, i havnt had to do that as BF2142,COD2,FEAR,UT2004 all work perfectly fine on max settings and on full server....but im sure UT3 will beg to differ :D


Message edited by blade85 on 09-06-2007 at 02:30:29 PM
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i run bioshock on a asus ati x1950 256mb game runs fine.anyone suggest what max resolution ill get on that card playing bioshock

Reply to jjburnell

My setup:

Opteron 165 @ 2250
Geforce 7800 GT
2 GB Corsair 3200
Windows Vista Ultimate
550 Watt Rosewill PS

I run Bioshock on Max settings with no slowdown, even in battles with lots going on.

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meadowlands wrote :

My setup:

Opteron 165 @ 2250
Geforce 7800 GT
2 GB Corsair 3200
Windows Vista Ultimate
550 Watt Rosewill PS

I run Bioshock on Max settings with no slowdown, even in battles with lots going on.



What resolution? Are you sure it's max quality?

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Reply to marvelous211

marve how well will this run bioshock....amd opteron 2.2ghz 148...2 gigs of
ram. 500ghd 550wpsu.asus ati x1950pro 256mb..nforce 4 ultra mobo

Reply to jjburnell

Is that a dual core? You really need a dual core cpu with bioshock. If you have single core you get a low base frame rate.

1950 pro is good enough to run high on medium resolutions though.

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Reply to marvelous211

I ran the Bioshock Demo at medium settings without any hiccups or artifacts at 1024x768 on a 20" LCD.

My specs:

P4 3.2ghz w/HT, 2mb L2 cache, socket 775
Asus P4V800
1 GB PC2700
HIS X1650Pro 512mb DDR2 APG 8x
Onboard Sound
Antec 550W psu
Scepter 20" LCD

With the resolution the OP wants to use I would think the X1950Pro should be able to do everything he wants.

Reply to Martell77

Bioshock works very nicely on my 512Mb AGP x1950pro @1920*1080 with details set to medium-high (medium settings initially then with high texture details etc, only shadows and water on medium, HDR, 4*AA 16*AF[forced in CCC])... 25-30fps... occasional stutter but hey! its not bad at all! x1950 pro will definately do it.

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vincio_filiarum wrote :

Bioshock works very nicely on my 512Mb AGP x1950pro ... 4*AA



I don't believe AA works with the Radeons in Bioshock yet. A driver workaround has to be done or something.

Your 4xAA setting probably isn't causing much of a performance hit, but it's not providing AA either...


Message edited by Cleeve on 09-06-2007 at 10:10:32 PM
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Martell77 wrote :

I ran the Bioshock Demo at medium settings without any hiccups or artifacts at 1024x768 on a 20" LCD.

My specs:

P4 3.2ghz w/HT, 2mb L2 cache, socket 775
Asus P4V800
1 GB PC2700
HIS X1650Pro 512mb DDR2 APG 8x
Onboard Sound
Antec 550W psu
Scepter 20" LCD

With the resolution the OP wants to use I would think the X1950Pro should be able to do everything he wants.


So I'm betting my son's computer with virtually the same specs, except right now he has a 9600xt, would work well on medium settings with a x1950pro.

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When you guys say max settings what resolution are you playing at? 640x480?

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lunyone wrote :

So I'm betting my son's computer with virtually the same specs, except right now he has a 9600xt, would work well on medium settings with a x1950pro.

 

You don't really need a powerful system to run bioshock unless you are running max settings @ uber high resolutions and mass amounts of AA. Bioshock scales nicely from low, medium, high...

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bfellow wrote :

When you guys say max settings what resolution are you playing at? 640x480?

 

Probably 800x600 or it's not running max settings. Or they don't care if it dips to 10fps. 7800gt is slower than 7900gs. :non: A 7900gs has a hard time @ 1024x768.


Message edited by marvelous211 on 09-06-2007 at 10:52:37 PM
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marvelous211 wrote :

You don't really need a powerful system to run bioshock unless you are running max settings @ uber high resolutions and mass amounts of AA. Bioshock scales nicely from low, medium, high...


Nice to know :) I'll probably get a x1950pro or xt for Christmas, maybe later. Don't have a lot to upgrade with, so will be waiting for a bit. Hopefully there will still be some left by then. If not, than it'll have to wait for the complete upgrade in late '08 :(

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bfellow wrote :

When you guys say max settings what resolution are you playing at? 640x480?




in my case 1280x1024, any higher and my monitor goes fuzzy :pt1cable:

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Reply to blade85

ive almost finished bioshock...stalker next...............

Reply to jjburnell

my processor is 2.2ghz....managed 2 get it 2. 2.4ghz any higher it cant handle suppose i need more cooling...funny thing is i never got that high
till i shoved in the asus x1950pro do you think its the cooler on the card helping....in bioshock what happens if you choose 2 harvest

Reply to jjburnell

wow thanks for the replies guys seems like im going for the x1950pro or xt if i can find one below 200. and what are your speculations on th upcoming 8700 refresh? should i wait for it?

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Buy the eVga x1950pro/xt if you can find one. This way you can "Step Up" to the latest video card (if you like). You only pay for the difference.

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lunyone wrote :

Buy the eVga x1950pro/xt if you can find one. This way you can "Step Up" to the latest video card (if you like). You only pay for the difference.



No such thing as evga 1950pro/xt. EVGA do not make ATI branded cards.

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haha yeah i'll be on the lookout for that evga x1950....haha


oh yeah and i hear a 2900 pro is coming out to massacre the 8600gts?

or was it the 8800gts 320?

Reply to teh_boxzor

Ok this might sound insane but well i can play Bioshock on 1920 x 1080 with maxx settings and im on a X1950 pro. 2 Gig ram tho. and a AMD 6000.

Reply to Crownregent

Doesn't sound insane to me at all. The X1950PRO seems to be a tough contender. How much vram do you have? I think the trend I'm seeing is that @higher res. the ATi cards are doing quite well with Bioshock. Of course w/dual core CPU and 2gig. of RAM...

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Crownregent wrote :

Ok this might sound insane but well i can play Bioshock on 1920 x 1080 with maxx settings and im on a X1950 pro. 2 Gig ram tho. and a AMD 6000.

 

17fps is not playable unless you like slide shows. If you can play it though all power to you.

 

http://www.techspot.com/article/64 [...] page5.html


Message edited by marvelous211 on 09-07-2007 at 01:27:22 PM
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Good article! thanx marvelous211. I think I'm getting better FPS on my sys. though. I know that not all computers are created equally. (NOT bragging, just informing) BUT I have noticed that the Intel CPU/2gig.mem/p5k ...3po something mobo setup gets lower FPS than my FX-57/1gig.mem/A8R32-MVP Deluxe/X1950PRO512meg. setup... when combined w/the same vid card.
HOWEVER the 8600 is DX10, and when OCd I'm sure it rocks. Being future ready, the Nvidia 8600+ series for the same price is a no brain'r. That article showed me that. I can see the potential of the 8600+.
I should mention that I like to OC everything.
BUT... doesn't ATi utilize DX10 correctly(unified shader etc.) whereas Nvidia "MIGHT" w/G92"?" HD2900PRO512=$250+/- ...just a few months longer and it promises to smoke 8650/8700 for breakfast. (2 of these in a crossfire setup... mmmmmmmmmmm)


Message edited by nevasumma on 09-08-2007 at 08:17:56 AM
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nevasumma wrote :

I agree. 1950PRO 512mb is just fine for Bioshock. Single core cpu and 1 gig mem. too. VERY playable @1280x960!
All settings defaulted to MAX. 1950XT 512mb would ROCK this game inside out!!! I'd even venture to guess that 256mb cards would do pretty well. As for the MIN. req. video card... X1800 series on up, Geforce 7800 series on up for playability at 1200x? resolutions. For higher resolutions I'd recommend 1950XT or 7800GTX level cards.
All with in 200$ (+/-).

 

I thought Bioshock's minimum video card requirement was ati1300 but I could be wrong.

 

My 1950 Sapphire Pro 512mb q6600(3.0 FSB 1333) 2gbDDR2 800 runs Bioshock just fine with high settings at 1280x1024. I didn't Fraps it but it seems playable to my eyes.

 

Has anyone added a second 1950pro 512mb or even 256mb in crossfire to a board(mine is GA-P35-DQ6 (rev. 1.1)) where the secondary card only supports 4x pci-express? If so how good does is work? Or should I just get a 8800 or 2900 when it's time to upgrade?

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Message edited by lobofanina on 09-07-2007 at 09:23:22 PM
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17fps is not playable unless you like slide shows. If you can play it though all power to you.



No, I'm doing the same thing.. 1920*1080 on med-high, w/1950pro (my processors worse too, E2140, although 2Gb worth of ram)... it is playable - very much so.

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I don't believe AA works with the Radeons in Bioshock yet. A driver workaround has to be done or something.

Your 4xAA setting probably isn't causing much of a performance hit, but it's not providing AA either...



WHAT???

I'm not going to disagree with you, 'cause I just assumed it was... and you do know what you're talking about. But that's dissapointing to hear... oh well. Was a brilliant game, too bad I've already finished it. When I bother playing again maybe they'll have fixed that.

Anyways, AA or no AA, it works very wellat 1920*1080 on my pro... so to the OP, take that for what its worth...

Reply to vincio_filiarum

2 whole more frames at medium settings with a 1950pro @ 1920x1200.

AA doesn't work with bioshock unless you hacked it.

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2 whole more frames at medium settings with a 1950pro @ 1920x1200.



Whatever your graphs say or not, I think the issue here is is it playable which it is, and its not a slideshow. Those numbers are just numbers. The question was MIN card, and in my experience - which is all I've ever offered - the pro, at the resolution I'm running at - which is higher than the OP by a ways - is very playable. I'll believe my experience over your graphs.

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AA doesn't work with bioshock unless you hacked it.



Yea... we've covered that... didn't realise...

Reply to vincio_filiarum

I have only tried the demo, but I have a 7900GS, along with Athlon X2 4600 @ stock speed and
2Gb PC6400, and playing at 1280x1024 with max detail and vsync off, it gets a bit choppy in complex scenes. Turning down to 1024 and medium detail helps a bit, but it's still choppy. Thankfully, there doesn't seem to be any perceived CPU lag because my processor is dual-core and up-to-date, but just in terms of GPU it is a bumpy ride in some scenes.

The thing about the 7900GS is if you can get it with a rebate (I got mine for $105) then it's a really good bang-for-the-buck card- that's why I bought it. It is starting to show some signs of age, though, and I bet Crysis will be another tough one for the 7900GS.

The X1950 Pro seems to do much better in Bioshock, like 20-33% better on average. The problem, however, is that the cheap ones are loud, hot, and they consume quite a bit more power. That being said, Newegg is currently running rebates on all of the better ones- the ones with nice, quiet HSF solutions. I originally wanted this, but decided on the nVidia card for money reasons. If you don't mind waiting a month for the rebate check, that is a pretty sweet card.

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Not my graphs.. Tell that to techspot.

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marvelous211 wrote :

Try to find 1950xt. But they're more close to $200 and is getting harder to find. They are much better than any geforce 7 series because it has 48 pixel shaders while geforce 7 has only 16. Those pixel shaders are really showing its power in modern games while geforce 7 series are getting creamed from oblivion, lost planet to bioshock.

For something cheap. you can go either 8600gts or 1950pro. 1950pro is little faster for this particular game but nothing major.

If you want to do max detail with 20-22" monitor you should go with 8800gts or faster.

That's incorrect; the 7900GT/7950GT have 24 pixel shaders while the 7900GS has 20.

Reply to Heyyou27

i don't really want to deal with rebates.
the problem is that no local computer stores carry the x1950 series anymore.
most only carry nvidia cards.
with that said, better 8600gts or its refresh next month?

Reply to teh_boxzor

Well if you don't want to buy now, you might as well forget about it and wait to buy one of the DX10 cards, maybe a 8700 or 2700. Situation changes every month. 7900GS and X1950 Pro are on their way out anyway.

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Heyyou27 wrote :

That's incorrect; the 7900GT/7950GT have 24 pixel shaders while the 7900GS has 20.



You are correct. I was thinking rops instead of TMU.

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lobofanina wrote :

I thought Bioshock's minimum video card requirement was ati1300 but I could be wrong.

My 1950 Sapphire Pro 512mb q6600(3.0 FSB 1333) 2gbDDR2 800 runs Bioshock just fine with high settings at 1280x1024. I didn't Fraps it but it seems playable to my eyes.

Has anyone added a second 1950pro 512mb or even 256mb in crossfire to a board(mine is GA-P35-DQ6 (rev. 1.1)) where the secondary card only supports 4x pci-express? If so how good does is work? Or should I just get a 8800 or 2900 when it's time to upgrade?





"for playability @1200x res." Max settings too, BTW. I know the MIN REQ cards can not do it. such as the X1300
I don't think you can put a video card on a x4pci-e slot... can you? I mean and have it work too???? It might bottle neck the whole PCI-E/SLI situation on your mobo, if you DID do it

Reply to nevasumma

anybody who is useing a x1950 pro and getting slug with bioshock
i turned off vertical sycn seems 2 run alot better....or would it be my processor 2.2ghz i belive bioshock requires 2.6ghz...anyway i get away with it with vertical sync off....apart from that i run it at max settings
1024.748 res ...the game has never crashed on me yet...touch wood.
just finished the game today...and started playing again today...addictive

Reply to jjburnell

i believe the correct term is "knock on wood"


but anyway i went with the 8600gts from newegg

the MSI one because it was i believe $134 after rebate.....

and i picked up the new ipod nano! =]

can't wait til they come.

Reply to teh_boxzor

nevasumma wrote :

"for playability @1200x res." Max settings too, BTW. I know the MIN REQ cards can not do it. such as the X1300
I don't think you can put a video card on a x4pci-e slot... can you? I mean and have it work too???? It might bottle neck the whole PCI-E/SLI situation on your mobo, if you DID do it



Pci express 16x electrical/slot size but only 4x data because it's a using the new p35 chipset without anything exotic like crosslinx added on as it's the gigabyte ga-p35 dq6 motherboard.

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teh_boxzor wrote :

i believe the correct term is "knock on wood"

 

actually iv heard people say touch wood as well :kaola:

 

you can either


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your just a hater...haha.

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