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I would get HD 4870 over GTX 260 Core 216 they both perform near each other but the ATI card has a lead over its Nvida's rival.

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nukemaster wrote :

Check the benchmarks for the games you play. Some games favor ATI others Nvidia. I personally fine ATI's Vista drivers to be more stable, but it was a 8800GTX and they have worked out many bugs.



Could you quote some games which are good at Ati and not good at nVidia...???

Reply to meodowla

The source engine used in HL 2 ran far better on ATI hardware at the time it is still slightly better on Ati hardware but the fps are pretty much cpu limited now anyway.

 

Assassins Creed used to run faster on ATI hardware until it was patched to remove the DX 10.1 advantage ATI had in that title.

 

Serious Sam 2 seemed to favor ATI hardware of its time.

 

Nvidia owns the performance crown for Crysis, ET: Quake wars as well as many OpenGL based games.

 

There are some times where Nvidia is the only way to go (Crysis) and others where ATI is better.

 

Both companies also leap frog in performance anyway.

 

But if you main game will be Crysis and games based on its engine, then you are better off getting Nvidia now.

 

There are some questionable things Nvidia has done too

 

http://www.anandtech.com/showdoc.aspx?i=3320&p=6

 

On top of that daily crashes/poor performance on some games under Vista64 that I would have blamed on MS if I had not tossed in an old ATI card to test.

 

I am no fanboy here, I like my 8800GTX allot(on hell of a card and way ahead of its time), but under Vista64 its a lost cause with even the latest driver still crashing some games to a black screen.


Message edited by nukemaster on 12-12-2008 at 11:41:59 PM
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http://tinyurl.com/yfmxdc9 - Part Guide?
Reply to nukemaster

I have a Windows XP/Pro system, eVGA 780i motherboard, Q6600 processor, and 4GB RAM. In this is a nVidia GeForce 8800GT, 512MB, SLI display, driving a pair of 19" panels (1280x1024). 750W power supply.

Saturday I added a 22"W panel (1680x1050) and am driving it with an DVGA UV Plus UV16 USB display port adapter.

From the motherboard specs, it appears to have 1 x PCIe and 2 x PCI slots. It also says that all three PCIE GPU slots are 16x.

http://www.evga.com/products/pdf/132-CK-NF78-A1.pdf

Performance with the USB port thing sucks.

For the record, I don't do games. So a high frame rate is not an issue.

Can I add a non-SLI display adapter? Will the RAM in the new card reduce the amount of available RAM to my XP (32-bit environment) applications?

I'd like to minimize my cash outlay. Any suggestions?

Reply to websquad

I see no reason why you can not just add some low end video card to the mix.

 

XP 32-bit can only address 4 gigs of total memory including your video memory and other devices with onboard memory.

 

So if you have 4 gigs(you do :p) your 8800 would already bring you to ~3.5 add another card to the mix and your down to ~3.0-3.25. Since you do not game, get something with lower VRAM.


Message edited by nukemaster on 12-16-2008 at 02:40:02 AM
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http://tinyurl.com/yfmxdc9 - Part Guide?
Reply to nukemaster

nuke is right,when you dont game then get a lower end card,by saying non-SLI display adapter you mean a non-SLI ready card? if so then yes but its not really important because most of the cards are SLI-ready.

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Reply to Maziar

http://i702.photobucket.com/albums/ww29/meodowla/Capture.jpg

Check this. What is this? Hybrid SLi?

From:http://www.guru3d.com/article/physx-by-nvidia-review/3

Reply to meodowla

No,the 9600 card is used as a PhysX card.

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Reply to Maziar

Maziar wrote :

No,the 9600 card is used as a PhysX card.



Yeah.. So is it possible that i could use my onboard nVidia 8300 as PhysX card and ATi HD4850 as primary...?
(Note: My board support Hybrid SLi)


Message edited by meodowla on 12-22-2008 at 07:00:03 PM
Reply to meodowla

I dont think you can(i am not sure though)

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Reply to Maziar

From Guru3D Forum:

This driver will help do it possible:
http://www.donotargue.com/dna_hybr [...] .12x64.exe

Reply to meodowla

This is not SLi..... but PhysX........
http://i27.photobucket.com/albums/c179/king4x4/Whosedaman2.jpg

Reply to meodowla

hello Maziar..
Thanks for all the info on crossfire..very insightful.....I was having problem myself to understand how to get most from my mobo crossfire potential... I need your help to find a good but not very expensive video card from my Asus P5Q Pro...it seems to me you really know this stuff...I have BFG 8400 GS, but i would really upgrade it to something more powerful for my gaming experience....I have a dual CPU, 2GB memory ram ddr2, 300GB hard disk.
Thanks Maz...I appreciate..Decibel

Reply to decibel

Hello mate :) glad you found this useful :)
Well asking about which card to get is in this thread:
http://www.tomshardware.com/forum/ [...] ards-money

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Reply to Maziar

:hello: hey thanks....you would not believe but i am registered on that forum! :) ...Good eh!! But i would like to have your opinion, what you think i should do!!!!Because you mentioned few of the Asus mobos previously, i was wondering if you could gave me an hint of which graphic card would do good on my pc.... :) i appreciate Maz....Thanks for the heads up about tom hardwareweb..... ;) :hello:

Reply to decibel

Hi, i have a question:
im looking to go crossfire with 2xHD4870's, i already have one at the moment and im looking to get another one, my current card is 512MB, and im going to get another 512MB card. Will i see any performance gain if a game wants more than 512MB of memory? (am i write in thinking that the memory from both cards will NOT be combined ?)

Ive looked on some benchmarks and ive seen that the 1gb card does better than the 512MB card when the game wants more than 512MB's, also when the resolution is high and theres AA and AF enabled.

I have a second question:
If i get the 1GB version and use it with my current 512MB card in crossfire, and use the 1gb card as the primary card will my memory be 1GB?, or will it go down to 512mb?

please help im so confussed >.<

P.S i game @ 1920x1080

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Reply to OMGiTzzFATAL

to decibel:
I dont know your budget but an ATI HD 4850/4870 would be good for you.

to OMG:
Hello mate :)
Well first of all,the difference between 1GB cards and 512MB cards aren't much son don't worry much about it.also when you combine 2 HD 4870s cards which both have 512MB memory,you still will have 512MB memory,as multiGPU won't double the memory.


About mixing a 512MB 4870 with a 1GB 4870 ,read this thread:
http://forums.guru3d.com/showthread.php?p=2935216

5. What happens when graphics cards with varying memory speeds and engine clocks are paired together?

A. In this scenario, overall performance will be adjusted to match the memory speeds and engine clocks of the lower clocked card. To obtain ideal performance, graphics cards should be paired correctly.

If u alreayd haven't purchased your VGAs,go for 1 HD 4870X2 instead,because it has an overall better performance,i myself have the same monitor like you and went for HD 4870X2,because its basically 2 HD 4870's on one card but it produces less heat,requires one slot and has better performance in some cases.

Reply to Maziar

ok thanks, thats really helpful
:D
ill check out that link now

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Reply to OMGiTzzFATAL

ok just read the link you gave me.

but i still have a problem, by the sounds of it, if i crossfire 2x4870 512 ill only have 512mb of memory so i still will not be able to go to 1920x1080 with AA and AF on am i correct?

is it going to be worth it for me?

your help would be much appreciated!!!

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Reply to OMGiTzzFATAL

Who says you cant ? you can enable AA and AF.

Reply to Maziar

yeah of course, but because its a 512mb card it cant handle it well. i turn on AA and AF on farcry 2 and my FPS goes out the window >.<

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Reply to OMGiTzzFATAL

Does that happen in other games?
Do you have the latest VGA drivers installed?

Reply to Maziar

yeah ive got 8.12

well i can play fallout 3 with al the bells and whistles (8xAA and 15xAF samples).

urrr obviously crysis kills my hole system

GRID i ran play on max with everyytihing on.

COD4 i can play on max with AA and AF max @ 1920x1080

it seems to be the newer, more demanding games that my card doesnt handle well.

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Reply to OMGiTzzFATAL

If you dont have problems with GRID and COD4,then there isnt a problem with your card,your card is a solid card who says your card can't handle games with it? about Crysis,its strange,however adding AA with 1920x1080 resolution won't make alot of difference since it doesn't have noticeable jaggies.
I tested it myself.

Reply to Maziar

ok, but my question still remains, will i see noticable difference if i were to crossfire with another 4870 512mb card when playing @1920x1080 with AA and AF on?

Also if i were to crossfire with a 1gb card and use it as my primary card will i then have 1gb of video memory?

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Reply to OMGiTzzFATAL

1_Yes you will get a decent boost in FPS,since you play at a high resolution.but i again say this:90% of games won't need AA for 1920x1080 resolution,because you won't see a lot of jaggies.

2_I answered you :) if you crossfire a HD 4870 512MB with a HD 4870 1GB,you will have 512MB still,read my postes above.

Reply to Maziar

So.. 4870 1GB would be recognised as 4870 512MB by its CrossFire partner 4879 512MB???

Reply to meodowla

++type mismatch..read last as 4870

Reply to meodowla

For crossfire it would only use the first 512MB's of memory. The card would still have all the ram, but not be able to use it

In crossfire BOTH cards always hold the same textures and information. As such it will have to go with the memory of the lowest card(512). If the card was on its own it would have both.

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http://tinyurl.com/26uxxb - C2/i7 Temp? http://tinyurl.com/cj3pw - VGA power?
http://tinyurl.com/5v55wk - C2 Mem performance? http://tinyurl.com/6pmbke - SLI/Xfire?
http://tinyurl.com/yfmxdc9 - Part Guide?
Reply to nukemaster

nuke is right.
The card still has 1GB memory but uses 512MB when its in CrossFire(when a 4870 512MB is CrossFired with 4870 1GB)

Reply to Maziar

(Sorry if this is mentioned earlier, but this post is extremely long.)

Notes:

1. I would distinguish between the 680i and the 680i lt MB, in regard to the 3-way SLI and duel x16 lanes. The 680i lt has 2 PCI-E x16 slots, so it can't 3-way SLI...but does have the duel x16 lanes.

2. You may or may not want to include a note regarding 8800 GT and 9800 GT video cards being "the same," and thus being able to SLI them together. (I know the difference is in the BIOS... and the manufacturing process of "new" 9800 GTs...thus Hybridpower support.) For the common user, they can't be SLI'ed together. However, if someone wants to risk flashing the bios of one of the cards, they can be SLI'ed. (I am not one of those people to risk it though.)

3. You may want to include a note regarding PCI-E 1.0/1.1/2.0 as well.

Reply to terr281

This things that you mentioned are mostly for motherboards but i will add some of them.

1_That was necessary i added it,thanks

2_You can't SLI a 8800GT with 9800GT,but with hacking its other story,you can do many things with hacking but its not recommended and it may hurt the cards too.

3_Thats not very related to SLI/CrossFire, about motherboards,i mention which chipset support MultiGPU and in which ways and things like this,my main focus is on MultiGPU technology and VGA cards not on motherboards.

However thanks alot mate :)

Reply to Maziar

Hi;

Can I use this card as SLİ ? because this card's fan is very big. ?
(SPARKLE CALIBRE 9600GT 512MB 256Bit)

http://img.donanimhaber.com/upfiles/185897/6D6C62761DED419CBF9AD5468846C5D0.jpg

Reply to black_storm

Hello and welcome to the forums mate :)
What card do you currently ahve ?


Message edited by Maziar on 01-14-2009 at 10:03:21 PM
Reply to Maziar

Thanks Maziar.
I dont use this card now.just my friend is want will buy this card.but my idea was changed.waste ı want buy a thıs card.(just single).

SPARKLE
Calibre 9800GTX+ GDDR3 512Mb 256Bit Nvidia

what you think ? I will post complete system configuration.Thank you...


Message edited by black_storm on 01-14-2009 at 11:52:02 PM
Reply to black_storm

9800GTX+ is a good card,another option would be ATI HD 4850.
No problem mate :) glad i could help u :)

Reply to Maziar

well.you think? 9800gtx+ or HD 4850 ?

Reply to black_storm

I would choose HD 4850 because in most games it has a lead over its nvidia's rival.

Reply to Maziar

black_storm wrote :

Hi;

Can I use this card as SLİ ? because this card's fan is very big. ?
(SPARKLE CALIBRE 9600GT 512MB 256Bit)

http://img.donanimhaber.com/upfile [...] 46C5D0.jpg




damn thats a handsome card

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Reply to nerdic

Yes yes, very sweet looking card. The flow is eloquent. Wish my $400 Xfx 8800 GTX looked as nice. I cannot wait to SLI two of them! Thanks for the cool pic!

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sorry for such a noob question but here go;s : i have a 3870x2 -1gig-512 card and was wondering if i could xfire it with a cheaper 3870-512-256 card for a boost ? or will the x2 then lower itself to the 256 mb card ? if i understand the guide correctly then the bigger card will lower itself down to the smaller card ? just need to clarify before i buy a smaller card instead of buying another 3870x2 and then xfire them . also , how stable is sli and xfire ? been browsing ati site and a lot of people seem to be having problems putting 2 or 3 cards together .

once again sorry if i am probably answering my own question but just not realising it .

radeonman .

Reply to radeonman

Its not anything noob mate :) asking is not a noob thing :)
You got it right,whe your crossfire a HD 3870X2 1GB with a HD 3870 512 or 256,the HD 3870X2 will only use 512MB/256MB of its memory when in SLI.

Reply to Maziar

thanks maziar ,

i think maybe a better thing would be to just get a 2g card and save myself the hassle . seems a lot of folks have trouble getting their xfire/sli setups working easily although i can see the benifit it does present with maybe 2 x medium range cards .

thanks for your help again .

may i inquire about your 4870x2 card ? im not sure wether i should go for the new 295 from nvidia or get a 4870x2 - i like the fact that the 4870 seems to be a full 2g card although many folks have told me to wait until nvidia comes up with its own version of a full 2g card . im sure with such feirce competition the price's will drop on the 4870x2 as they are still darn expensive here in south africa .

radeonman .

Reply to radeonman

Well it depends on what resolution you play too.

For me i am happy with my HD 4870X2s performance,this card and GTX 295 are very good cards,in some games the HD takes the lead and in some games GTX 295 has a lead,if you want to wait,you can't ever buy anything.
Also if you are satisfied with your current card,then there is no need to upgrade.Upgrade something when you really dont get the performance you need.

Reply to Maziar

hello

I currently have a 9600gt and I´m planning to buy another one next month but first I want to know if the are enough games that support SLI, specially racing, g.e: grid, burnout, nfs undercover. also tomb rider underworld and prince of persia.

Thanks

Reply to tomasf

Hello mate :)
What resolution do you play at ?

Reply to Maziar

currently at 1280x1024, but I´m also considering buying a samsung 22", thats my main concern. will the 9600gt put out for that monitor (1680 x 1050).

thanks

Reply to tomasf

For that resolution,i recommend you getting a better single card instead like
HD 4850

Reply to Maziar

may I ask why?

Reply to tomasf

Because 1 HD 4850 has the power or even more power than 9600GT in SLI,also in 1680x1050 resolution,you wont benefit much from SLI.

Reply to Maziar
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