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No i dont recommend MultiGPU for that resolution because a single HD 4870 does the trick :)

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Edited with a new chart for CrossFire compatibility list.

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Edited with more notebook cards.

Reply to Maziar

I have read the first and last page of this thread.

I saw so many errors it got me quite irritated, one in the guide and one in a reply (although that could have already been answered).

the one in the reply was asking about a monitor with a good refresh rate, around 6ms or under.

6ms is the response time of the monitor, not the refresh rate. the refresh rate is measured in hertz, and is generally around 60hz.

the error in the guide was about MultiGPU technology being only for PCI-E graphics cards.

here's a quote from wikipedia that I read a long, long time ago:

"Scan-Line Interleave (SLI) from 3dfx is a method for linking two (or more) video cards or chips together to produce a single output. It is an application of parallel processing for computer graphics, meant to increase the processing power available for graphics. SLI from 3dfx was introduced in 1998 and used in the Voodoo2 line of graphics accelerators. However, the original Voodoo Graphics card and the VSA 100 were also SLI-capable.

Nvidia Corporation reintroduced the SLI acronym in 2004 as Scalable-Link Interface"

3dfx's technology was meant for igp, pci and agp cards. I remember there is a geforce <6 card which is AGP and is SLIable, although not in the same way that we do it today. You used to have a master and a slave card, which used a daisy chain cable to connect from the vga socket on one card, to the other socket on the other card, and then on to the monitor.

so it would look like this
_________________________________
>|PCI/AGP CARD |
/ | |
_______ | | |
| | \ | |
|monitor|----------------->|PCI/AGP CARD |
|______| |________________________________|




yeah. take that.

Reply to niforean

I dont remember anyone asking about refresh rate,also what errors you found in the FAQ?

Reply to Maziar

what is the best card to crossfire with a Radeon 3850 for under 120 dollars?

Reply to rjbrunker

For asking about which card to buy,please refer to this thread:
http://www.tomshardware.com/forum/ [...] 3_950.html

Reply to Maziar

Hi guys
How is this CF for this resolution ?
2x4830 HIS iceq + 1024x1280?
MSI x58 Pro
if i do it can i see any more performance?!

Reply to D3vil_hsa2w

So a GeForce 9600GSO wouldn't do Hybrid SLI with a Onboard 8-series?
I'm just curious. o 3o
I did read the whole first post by the way.

Reply to skreenname

D3vil_hsa2w wrote :

Hi guys
How is this CF for this resolution ?
2x4830 HIS iceq + 1024x1280?
MSI x58 Pro
if i do it can i see any more performance?!



For that resolution,i recommend a single HD 4830,CrossFire ins't needed.
As i have talked about in the first page,i don't say you won't see any performance increase with multiGPU in lower resolutions,i said it will shine in high resolutions.

Reply to Maziar

skreenname wrote :

So a GeForce 9600GSO wouldn't do Hybrid SLI with a Onboard 8-series?
I'm just curious. o 3o
I did read the whole first post by the way.


No you cant

Reply to Maziar

I'm still confused on this whole crossfire thing. I have a Radeon X1900 GT and am beginning to upgrade my system. How do I tell if my processor is crossfire ready (aka where do I see my chipset number)? Also, do I have to get another identical Radeon x1900 GT or what other options for cards could I get? I'm thinking at this time it might be better to just buy a whole new card rather than crossfire with my x1900.

From my dxdiag if it helps:

Machine name: MICHAEL-DESKTOP
Operating System: Windows XP Professional (5.1, Build 2600) Service Pack 3 (2600.xpsp_sp3_gdr.080814-1236)
Language: English (Regional Setting: English)
System Manufacturer: GATEWA
System Model: GT5238E
BIOS: Default System BIOS
Processor: Intel(R) Core(TM)2 CPU 6300 @ 1.86GHz (2 CPUs)
Memory: 2038MB RAM
Page File: 631MB used, 2762MB available
Windows Dir: C:\WINDOWS
DirectX Version: DirectX 9.0c (4.09.0000.0904)
DX Setup Parameters: Not found
DxDiag Version: 5.03.2600.5512 32bit Unicode

Reply to mglass61

1_We don't have "Certificated CPUs for multiGPU",you can CrossFire your X1900GT and it doesn't have any relations with your CPU,your motherboard must support CrossFire inorder to add another card.

2_Unlike X1900XT and X1900XTX which require a Master card to run in CrossFire,X1900GT can be paired with antoher X1900GT.

Good read:

http://www.xbitlabs.com/articles/v [...] 0gt_2.html
The Radeon X1900 GT can work in a CrossFire tandem, and you don’t need a Master card with a Compositing Engine for that. All you have to do is to install two Radeon X1900 GT cards into your CrossFire-compatible system (based on a CrossFire Xpress 3200 or Intel 975X chipset, for example). Then you just enable the appropriate option in Catalyst’s Control Center. The two cards will communicate via the PCI Express bus.

http://www.neoseeker.com/Articles/ [...] x1900gtcf/

However, with their release two weeks ago, anyone is capable of putting together a dual X1900 system without the hassle of purchasing a seperate, more expensive master card. While X1900 XT cards still require a master and slave setup, the word still stands that R600 cards should be able to run in a dual setup without cables when they ship sometime by the end of this year.

Reply to Maziar

Gud job man very detailded

Reply to larrylongbottom

Thanks a lot for this thread, lots of information!!!

Reply to strosdegoz

No problem mate ;) glad you found it useful :)

Reply to Maziar

Hi Maz!..

Quick question?

Would a Samsung t260hd 26 inch lcd monitor benefit from a crossfire,,in terms of from daily computing to gaming? regular resolution is 1920 x 1200

thank s for your time Maz.

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CPU: Phenom II 940 @ 3.6GHZ (1.47v)
MB: ASUS M3A78-T
PSU: Antec Quattro 1000w
GPU: Sapphire Toxic Edition 4870 1gb
RAM: Corsair 8gb 800MHz DDR2 pc6400 twinx
OS: Vista Business Upgrade 64bit


Message edited by creepy_maverick on 04-30-2009 at 10:53:39 PM
Reply to creepy_maverick

Hello and welcome to the forums mate :)

Yes it will :) 1920x1200 is one of the resolutions that benefit from multiGPU in most games.

Reply to Maziar

THATS great Sir!

Thank you so Much Mazz!

Have a great weekend you guys!

creepy!

Reply to creepy_maverick

No problems mate :) glad i could help u :)

Reply to Maziar

why is the gtx 295 so fast if its core clock speeds and memory clock speeds are no faster than that of a gtx 260. the gtx 285 has a faster core and memory clock speed than the gtx 295. im guessing it has something to do with stream processors...or no? im new to all of this and it is alot to take in and understand. anybody able to lead me in the direction of an article that could help me to better understand how this technology works?

Reply to the collector

Good question :)
Well core clock and memory clock speeds are important for a video card but they aren't the most important factors,there are some other important things to consider too like stream processors,memory bandwidth....

GTX 295 is basically 2 downclocked GTX 260s attached to one card.

Reply to Maziar

i hav sme doubt..wts da basic requirements for crossfiring two cards???
shld v hav motherboard supporting it???if yes can u pls list down da motherboards supporting crossfire??also is der ny particular card in every series for crossfiring..i mean in HD4830 is der ny special 4830 tat hav to b used for crossfiring???

Reply to romu

Did you even read the FAQ mate ? :) plz read the first page and you will get all of your answers :)

Reply to Maziar

Hi,
I have a crossfire bridge question, that I couldn't find the answer to, on a skim read of this mega thread (which is great btw, thanks Maz and others).
Do I need one or two crossfire bridges? It is my understanding from various forum posts that I have read, that for lower resolutions (?what resolutions) you may need only one bridge?
I have just ordered a second 4770 that comes with a CF bridge (my previous Sapphire card did not) so have one bridge but will i need another for my 1650X1050 2232bw monitor?
I am going to upgrade my monitor soonish for one with a better res before I get told off by my learned friends that I dont need CF with a monitor like that.
Sorry if this a total noob question!
Many thanks for your help. Be gentle ;)
Andy

Reply to ac3144

Hello and welcome to the forums mate :)
You have to use 2 CrossFire bridges since HD 48xx/HD 4770 series have 2 place for bridges :) (38xx series have 1 only)
Also its not a noob question mate :) asking isn't a noob thing :)

Reply to Maziar

You're a diamond, cheers Maz.
Andy

Reply to ac3144

No problem mate :) Glad i could help u :)

Reply to Maziar

Hey, Maziar, do those new Radeon HD 4850X2 cards show a Crossfire/Crossfire X tab in Catalyst control centre? And how can I tell if both the GPU's are working?

Reply to madass

Hi Sir,

MAN SORRY TO BUG YOU AT A BAD TIME..

How are you doing Maz!

I apologize for bothering you again.

I just have some retarded situation on my crossfire set up.

I know honestly for my self that you are a THE EXPERT when it comes to these complex stuff.

I finally made this Sapphire Toxic 4870 1gb and one more of the same into a crossfire mode running with just default /factory oc settings and yey I did it, did some generals games one hour or so and it blew me away( awesome!!!! ) then I played some Tom Clancy Vegas 2 1st person shooter , came after 2 to 5 minutes PC SHUT DOWN ALL POWER GONE , ITS OFF ,,, by golly what Id do...so I got this antec quattro 1000 watts and asking myself what happened.

I was thinking its getting to be a defective power supply on its 5th/6th month,, or my mobo battery is dying. There could be a million ways that this is happening isnt it. So I am pleading for your scrutiny ,,, If I get another psu, If i get another Thermaltake lets say 1200 watts, would this be super mega enough/sufficient to power my whole system and this shut down will not bother me..

take care MAZ

THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR YOUR TIME..

--------------------------------
CPU: Phenom II 940 @ 3.6GHZ (1.47v)
MB: ASUS M3A78-T
PSU: Antec Quattro 1000w
GPU: Sapphire Toxic Edition 4870 1gb plus Sapphire Toxic Edition 4870 1gb CF
RAM: Corsair 8gb 800MHz DDR2 pc6400 twinx
OS: Vista Business Upgrade 64bit
CASE: Antec 1200
OPTICAL DRIVE: Pioneer blueray

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Message edited by creepy_maverick on 05-19-2009 at 09:18:35 AM
Reply to creepy_maverick

madass wrote :

Hey, Maziar, do those new Radeon HD 4850X2 cards show a Crossfire/Crossfire X tab in Catalyst control centre? And how can I tell if both the GPU's are working?



Yes it will show,right click on ATI CCC icon then select ATI HD 4850X2,CROSSFIRE X settings and click on "Show CrossFire X icon".

To know that if both are working,u can test your FPS in games.

Reply to Maziar

creepy_maverick wrote :

Hi Sir,

MAN SORRY TO BUG YOU AT A BAD TIME..

How are you doing Maz!

I apologize for bothering you again.

I just have some retarded situation on my crossfire set up.

I know honestly for my self that you are a THE EXPERT when it comes to these complex stuff.

I finally made this Sapphire Toxic 4870 1gb and one more of the same into a crossfire mode running with just default /factory oc settings and yey I did it, did some generals games one hour or so and it blew me away( awesome!!!! ) then I played some Tom Clancy Vegas 2 1st person shooter , came after 2 to 5 minutes PC SHUT DOWN ALL POWER GONE , ITS OFF ,,, by golly what Id do...so I got this antec quattro 1000 watts and asking myself what happened.

I was thinking its getting to be a defective power supply on its 5th/6th month,, or my mobo battery is dying. There could be a million ways that this is happening isnt it. So I am pleading for your scrutiny ,,, If I get another psu, If i get another Thermaltake lets say 1200 watts, would this be super mega enough/sufficient to power my whole system and this shut down will not bother me..

take care MAZ

THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR YOUR TIME..

--------------------------------
CPU: Phenom II 940 @ 3.6GHZ (1.47v)
MB: ASUS M3A78-T
PSU: Antec Quattro 1000w
GPU: Sapphire Toxic Edition 4870 1gb plus Sapphire Toxic Edition 4870 1gb CF
RAM: Corsair 8gb 800MHz DDR2 pc6400 twinx
OS: Vista Business Upgrade 64bit
CASE: Antec 1200
OPTICAL DRIVE: Pioneer blueray



Hello mate :)
No need to applogize for anything i am glad to help :)

Well your PSU is good for 2x HD 4870s.
Can you test both cards in single mode ? i mean take 1 card out and test with the other one and play some games and see if it works well or not.

Reply to Maziar

Maziar wrote :

Yes it will show,right click on ATI CCC icon then select ATI HD 4850X2,CROSSFIRE X settings and click on "Show CrossFire X icon".

To know that if both are working,u can test your FPS in games.




If the Corssfire thing doesn't show, does it mean the card is defective or is it a driver issue? And howw can it be fixed? I've read on the AD forum of some people having this problem.

Anyway, thanks for the fast reply....:)

Reply to madass

Maziar wrote :

Hello mate :)
No need to applogize for anything i am glad to help :)

Well your PSU is good for 2x HD 4870s.
Can you test both cards in single mode ? i mean take 1 card out and test with the other one and play some games and see if it works well or not.



THANK YOU Sir!

Ill try to do that!

Reply to creepy_maverick

madass wrote :

If the Corssfire thing doesn't show, does it mean the card is defective or is it a driver issue? And howw can it be fixed? I've read on the AD forum of some people having this problem.

Anyway, thanks for the fast reply....:)



If it doesn't show,then there MAYBE a problem,update your drivers also check your FPS in games,if you are not getting good frames,then something must be wrong.

Reply to Maziar

Maziar wrote :

If it doesn't show,then there MAYBE a problem,update your drivers also check your FPS in games,if you are not getting good frames,then something must be wrong.


Does the crossfire option come for all ATI X2 cards? I read on the AMD FAQ that it should not come at all...or is the 4850 a special case siince its not really a true X2?

Reply to madass

Well ATI HD 4850X2 is like HD 4870X2 and i have a 4870X2 nad it has that CrossFire option,but maybe you are right and maybe some don't come with it,as i said check your FPS in games.

Reply to Maziar

Maziar wrote :

Well ATI HD 4850X2 is like HD 4870X2 and i have a 4870X2 nad it has that CrossFire option,but maybe you are right and maybe some don't come with it,as i said check your FPS in games.


Thannks

Reply to madass

Damn, I feel stupid asking this but I don't know anyone else crossfiring and google hasn't been my friend on this occassion!

I've recently added a second 4870 onto my little rig, which is working fine. My problem is during boot up, both card's fans spin up for the POST then the card in the main slot quietens down to idle but the one in the second slot doesn't and stays loud. Once the Windows drivers load, the second card's fan quietens down to idle too and then it all works as expected from there.

The card in the second slot works fine when running on it's own (I ran it solo for several months before buying it a companion). I've examined the BIOS using the ATI Bios Editor and the fan speeds are identical for both cards.

My question is - is this normal under crossfire, that the motherboard/BIOS can only control one fan and the other fan isn't controlled until Windows kicks in? The only reason I'm worrying is that my motherboard has ExpressGate built in, so I can boot into a quick, tiny Linux build instead of Windows if I want, but the constant loud-ish fan noise from card 2 gets grating after a while.

I'm using an Asus P5Q-E with Q6600 (o/c to 3.4), Kingston 8GB DDR2-1066, XFX 4870 1Gb crossfired with Sapphire 4870 512Mb, 76Gb Raptor and 500Gb WD HDD, Hiper 880W Type-M PSU, Zalman CNPS9900, Antec 900 case and Vista 64. Currently running dual 20 inch 1600x1200 monitors.

Thanks for reading, and sorry it turned into a long post! :)


Message edited by Confused Stu on 05-21-2009 at 04:34:30 PM
Reply to Confused Stu

If you can change your fan speed in windows then there is no problem here.
I'm not sure why BIOS only allows you to work with one of the cards fan speed,maybe a BIOS update allows it,as i said i'm not sure but as long as you can change the fan speed in windows then there is no need to worry :)

Reply to Maziar

Maziar wrote :

If you can change your fan speed in windows then there is no problem here.
I'm not sure why BIOS only allows you to work with one of the cards fan speed,maybe a BIOS update allows it,as i said i'm not sure but as long as you can change the fan speed in windows then there is no need to worry :)



Thank you for the quick response. :)

As you quite rightly pointed out, I can change the fan speed within Windows so I know that's not a problem. My problem lies BEFORE Windows boots up - does everyone's second card spin faster/louder, or is that just a quirk of my motherboard?

I know this sounds like nit-picking, but if I want to pop online for 10 minutes, it's quicker to use the built-in ExpressGate than wait for Windows to boot. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Expressgate The problem there is that because I'm not booting into Windows, the fan on the second card never slows to idle so it's constantly running loudly while I'm in ExpressGate, which gets annoying!

Thanks again.

Reply to Confused Stu

No problem :) you may want to ask about the seconds card fan being faster in the graphic forum so if someone has a configuration like you can answer about it.

Reply to Maziar

You are wrong about "two mid range cards performing worse then one high end" - that is not always true.

Reply to PhilipV

PhilipV wrote :

You are wrong about "two mid range cards performing worse then one high end" - that is not always true.


I kinda agree-You will probably thrash the high end card completely around 70-80 % of the time.

Reply to madass

PhilipV wrote :

You are wrong about "two mid range cards performing worse then one high end" - that is not always true.



You didn't read the whole review ;)

2 midrange card sometimes beat 1 high-end card but not always,it depends on most settings(like drivers,resolutions and so)

Reply to Maziar

Question: Do two Graphics cards in CrossFire X on PCI-E x16 buses have to be right next to each other? For example, If you have two x16 buses separated by 1 standard PCI bus could you still use the non-adjacent buses for CrossFire?

Reply to CKLayoka

Well you have to connect them,so they can't be far away from each other.

Reply to Maziar

Maziar wrote :

Well you have to connect them,so they can't be far away from each other.



Yes, but how far away? Can the "band" that connects the CrossFire connectors stretch across 1 expansion slot, to connect with a Card in a slot not immediately next to it?

Reply to CKLayoka
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