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Shadow703793 wrote :

Off topic, but very interesting.

@:Evilonigiri Do you happen to have a link to that MSI web page or any more info on it? I should try it some time and will post the results here.

IMO, doing volt mods,etc is much stable (as long as you know what you are doing;) ) than increasing PCIe frequency just for such a small % increase.


Yes, here it is: http://global.msi.com.tw/index.php [...] tech_p35_1

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5. Adjust PCIE Frequency : Usually, PCI Express bus clock has no direct relationship with overclocking; nevertheless, fine tune will help overclocking as well.(The default value is 100, it is not recommended to set to 120 above, which might damage the graphic card.)



I figured if MSI said it was okay up to 120MHz, why not? Seems like when I did it, there was hardly any improvements. If could differ for others, however.

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That MSI page confuses me. How could "fine tuning" the PCIe bus help overclocking (unless we're talking about a 9600GT)?

Reply to homerdog

Well, in my daring experience of raising the PCIe past 120MHz, I found out that it actually raised my CPU frequency from 3.15GHz to 3.16GHz. I do not know the full details, but I would be glad to know them.

The 9600GT is a little different from what MSI was refering to, which is OCing the cpu itself.

I have searched in vain as to why faster PCIe equates to better OCing. If any of you finds out, please post a thread on it.

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Reply to Evilonigiri

Hello all!

Do any of you have a link to something that explains the memory straps? I have just built a new computer using the following component but I do not think that my ram is running at the speed it is made for. Here are my componenets:

Gigabyte GA-P35-DS3L
Coolermaster RP-550-PCAR
Intel C2Duo E6750
Kingston HyperX 4x1gb DDR2 1066 (PC28500)
Vista Home Premium 64bit.

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Reply to chiptouz

chiptouz wrote :

Hello all!

Do any of you have a link to something that explains the memory straps? I have just built a new computer using the following component but I do not think that my ram is running at the speed it is made for. Here are my componenets:

Gigabyte GA-P35-DS3L
Coolermaster RP-550-PCAR
Intel C2Duo E6750
Kingston HyperX 4x1gb DDR2 1066 (PC28500)
Vista Home Premium 64bit.


If you haven't overclocked the FSB then you should use the a memory multiplier of 3.2 to run your RAM at 1066MHz.

333MHz x 3.2 = 1065.6MHz (effectively 1066MHz)

Reply to homerdog

Homerdog,

Thank you. Worked like a charm. Do any of you have experience with overclocking on the stock Intel CPU cooler? I was wondering if anyone has done research on this with this processor and mobo.

I am testing right now with memtest on 5-5-5-15 2t at 1066 at 2.2v and have no issues. I will test it tonight with prime95 overnight.

Gigabyte GA-P35-DS3L
Coolermaster RP-550-PCAR
Intel C2Duo E6750
Kingston HyperX 4x1gb DDR2 1066 (PC28500)
Vista Home Premium 64bit.


Thanks.


Message edited by chiptouz on 03-14-2008 at 07:28:05 PM
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Reply to chiptouz

Here's my hardware configuration, straight out of my profile:

GIGABYTE GA-P35-DS3L
Core 2 Duo e6750 @ 3.2GHz (8x400) stock cooler
2x2GB G.SKILL PC2 6400 @4-4-4-12-2T (tRD=8)
eVGA 512MB 8800GT Superclocked
Onboard sound
Vista Ultimate x64
XCLIO Goodpower 500W

I'm running the processor at 1.26V, down from the default of 1.35V. That helped a lot with temperatures. I could easily overclock more if I wanted to, but I don't :)

Reply to homerdog

Great guide, love the screen shots: answered every question I had. My new e2160 is at 3.3ghz with vcore set in bios at 1.40v, did 5 hours of Prime without a problem. Must upgrade the bios though, thanks for the heads up.

The vcore needs become exponentially voracious after 3.3 ghz. My plan is to bring it back to 3.2 and see how low the voltage will go, temps are not a problem - arctic 7 is holding it down like a fat kid on a see-saw - but as others have remarked there's no point in wasting electricity for the tiny performance premium after a certain point on this chip.

Reply to Unruly Peasant

^ Glad I could help. :)

@Mods: Sticky?

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Shadow703793 wrote :

^ Glad I could help. :)

@Mods: Sticky?


While this is a great guide, it's too specific. This whole thread is for one single motherboard, which not everybody has, thus it will be difficult to get it sticked. Trying to generalize it will overlap with the OCing guide, so that won't work.

What you can do is gather a collection of specific OCing guides for many different popular motherboards, then it would be excellent.

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Reply to Evilonigiri

I think the specificity of this guide is its strength. The DS3L is a very popular motherboard, and an excellent platform for overclocking to say the least.

I suppose it would be hard to sticky for advertising/endorsement related reasons, but in a perfect world this would make an excellent sticky.

Reply to homerdog

@ Shadow, a little update to add would be about setting the tRD value. In order to have the static TRead value I believe you have to have the F8a BIOS. I had hard time finding it because of my F5 BIOS, which I upgraded to F8a. It could be a little side note in paren's for those outdated BIOS people like myself :ange:

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Reply to bildo123

^OK, Thanks for the info. Will update ASAP.

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Reply to Shadow703793

Evilonigiri wrote :

While this is a great guide, it's too specific. This whole thread is for one single motherboard, which not everybody has, thus it will be difficult to get it sticked. Trying to generalize it will overlap with the OCing guide, so that won't work.

What you can do is gather a collection of specific OCing guides for many different popular motherboards, then it would be excellent.


Cool. Ill see if I can get ones for the P5K,etc.

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Update 3/18/2008 @12:30
Included more detailed explanation of BIOS options and recommended settings. Also included bildo123's information on having F8a BIOS installed to see tRD value.

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Reply to Shadow703793

Interesting info about the Northbridge cooler, I do remember a thread saying it was an important issue on this MB if OCing but I forgot all about it when buying for my build. Some recommended junking the stock cooler and replacing it with an aftermarket cooler.

I think I'll stick a Scythe Mini Kaze 40mm Fan on it, see what happens. Shadow how is your NB fan set up?

And is the stock NB cooler attached with anchor clips or mounting holes?

Reply to Unruly Peasant

I have a 40mm fan blowing on it from the side (pulled the fan off an old K6 lol). My MB temps never go above 35C. It was maxing out at 38C with out the fan. Temps should be fine as long as its below 40C. The heatsink is mounted with mounting holes.


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F6 Bios shows the tRD value under the advanced bios memory timings.

"Static tRead Value" to be exact. I checked this and changed it to 8 today.

So you don't need F8 Bios.

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Good guide, I have a HTPC with a p31 ds3l mobo, didnt need to overclock it, as it all it does is play videos lol...

Got it to 3ghz easy...

http://valid.x86-secret.com/show_oc.php?id=330631

E2160
Gigabyte P31 Dsl3
Ati 256mb x1300pro
2gb ocz pc6400
16 x Dvd Rw
Corsair 450 watt
Gigabyte Triton 180
320gb hd
Vista Home Premium

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Will try to get it to 3.5ghz now...

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homerdog wrote :

I think the specificity of this guide is its strength. The DS3L is a very popular motherboard, and an excellent platform for overclocking to say the least.

I suppose it would be hard to sticky for advertising/endorsement related reasons, but in a perfect world this would make an excellent sticky.


Hmm, I kinda see you're point of view. However I still think a sticky should be made for the general public, not to specific people. Looking at all the other stickies, they are all general.

A collection of specific guides is a better idea, imo.

@ Shadow703793

When you think it's worthy of getting it sticked, PM GreatGrapeApe. There's hardly any moderators in the OCing section.

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Dunkel wrote :

F6 Bios shows the tRD value under the advanced bios memory timings.

"Static tRead Value" to be exact. I checked this and changed it to 8 today.

So you don't need F8 Bios.



If thats the case then it should be worded something along the lines of "You must have BIOS F6 or greater to view this option." Good stuff. Then again I must have been unlucky and and I received an old Rev1 board that shipped with the F5 BIOS. That was back in October. I wonder if theres a OC difference between the Rev1 and Rev2 board, I wonder what difference is at all actually.

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Update:
New BIOS (F8b) available!
http://www.gigabyte-usa.com/Suppor [...] uctID=2583
Add support for Q9xxx series CPUs.

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Reply to Shadow703793

bildo123 wrote :

If thats the case then it should be worded something along the lines of "You must have BIOS F6 or greater to view this option." Good stuff. Then again I must have been unlucky and and I received an old Rev1 board that shipped with the F5 BIOS. That was back in October. I wonder if theres a OC difference between the Rev1 and Rev2 board, I wonder what difference is at all actually.

 

I doubt there are major BIOS differences, but the only difference between the 2 versions is the USB. The rev2 has 6 on board USBs.
http://www.gigabyte-usa.com/Produc [...] =2560,2583


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@Everyone who has popular motherboard (ie. P5K-x): Please post your settings, OCing success, BIOS settings image,etc. This would enable me/us to make a list of popular motherboards for OCing and get it stickied.

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I'm currently running my E2160 @ 3.0GHz, 333x9 Prime Stable after 10 Hours, Temps below 58C.

My Mem multi (SPD) is 2.4, My Mem Freq. (MHz) is 800 on DDR 800 Kingston Hyper X

My Mem timings are 5,5,5,15 and my Static tRead Value is set to 8

DDR2 OverVoltage is (+0.2V), (G)MCH OverVoltage is (+0.1V)

CPU Voltage is 1.3875V

I can run all Prime torture tests for >8 Hours, but if I drop my timings to 4,4,4,12 I can NOT run Prime's Blend Test for more than 20 minutes without losing a core. I could say screw the blend test but I'm running Vista Ultimate so I'd rather not.

1. Any suggestions on how to get the 44412?

..........OR. I can run @ 3.15GHz 350x9, Temps below 65C, Mem multi (SPD) at 2.0 or 1:1, Mem Freq. (MHz) 700

Mem timings 5,5,5,15, Static tRead 8

CPU Voltage at 1.45V

2. I can run my on Benchmarks and I will after/if I can get the first options timing down to 44412. But if you have an opinion about the two scenarios, let me know.

Thanks all, and BTW, great guide.

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Reply to Dunkel

^ To get to those timing you will need to increase voltage quite a bit or reduce speed. Imo, you will see the timing effect only on benchmarks and not real life. Your 5-5-5-15 timing is normal/good. Insted of running the Blend test, download UBCD and run Memtest86+ from the CD and see if you get any errors, if it dosen't your RAM settings are fine and you could screw the blend test.

 

Link:
http://www.ultimatebootcd.com/download.html


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Reply to Shadow703793

^ Excellent link, I love the guide, keep it coming!

I'll check out the new BIOS when I get back to the PC next week.

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Is there a way to run Memtest 86+ without making a boot disk and booting from it?

That's kind of a pain. I've used an executable memtest before. You have to split the RAM between two instances. I just don't remember where I got in and I don't have it anymore.

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Reply to Dunkel

Here you go:
http://hcidesign.com/memtest/
Never tried it my self, so don't know how good it is.

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Reply to Shadow703793

It's terrible, don't use it. It reports errors that are doesn't show up in the bootable iso.

It's really easy to make a bootable cd. Download a memtest86+ ISO and burn it to a disk. Then boot with the disk in and the priority boot set to CD.

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Reply to Evilonigiri

^To make the boot disc you need to burn the ISO using DeepBurner (Burn ISO option) or some thing smiler. Just burning the CD will not work.

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Reply to Shadow703793

I did it and it worked.

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Yeah, no trouble really.

MemTest86+ success, no errors. @ 4,4,4,12 800MHz

1. Should I let it run more than once?

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Reply to Dunkel

Yeah, you should. If it passes, it means your ram is good. It still could be unstable though, so run blend test for 12 hours.

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See above.

Blend test won't run more than an hour at my current settings.

I checked RAM temps during the MemTest86+ so I'll go ahead and increase the DDR OverVoltage to +0.3.

It's just RAM ....right?

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Reply to Dunkel

^Yes.

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:lol: Thanks for the words...errr word of encouragement.

I'm totally stable @ 3.0GHz, 4,4,4,12, 5:6 @ 800 MHz. I think this is my sweet spot. I can run 3.2GHz with a 1.48V but I haven't run Prime yet. Maybe next week.

I tried to post @ 3.4GHz with my voltages from 1.5 to 1.55 and it wouldn't go so I backed off. The only reason I would need to run that hot would be to score over 12000 on 3DMark06, I'm close.

I really don't see this guide getting a sticky unless it's in the MB section maybe. idk. It worked for me so props. As long as we keep posting in it it will stay near the top of this page.

Cheers. Have a good weekend.

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Reply to Dunkel

Cool. How are your temps?

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~60 @ full small Prime load after 6-8 hours. I'm very happy with it. I don't think temps are holding me back from 3.4

I just don't want to run near 1.6V to do it. Maybe for one 3DMark run.

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Reply to Dunkel

Yeah, the E2xxx CPUs need very high voltages after 3.25Ghz. Your temps are good.

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Well something funny just happend to me. I fried my motherboard!
Was following this guide and another, changed the values showed here. The only thing with voltage i changed was the DDR2, which I increased to +0.4 (1.8 + 0.4 = 2.2...my rated ram volatage) and then also the cpu voltage control, which I moved up one spot from standard. The rest I just changed the values of enabled/disabled as specified.
I saved the changes, computer booted up, went back into bios, check the settings to confirm, then went back to main bios menu. I then pressed Ctrl + F1, and all hell broke loose. Sparks and a small flame errupted from my motherboard that quickly disapeared. I turned off my power and took a look. Seems that behind the back panal and after the cpu, near some 12v capacitor looking things, some little squares marked 50n024 got fried. Only one of them. I took everything apart and will probably RMA it tomorrow and pick up another for $90. Looking at it now I just kind of laugh. Anyone think they know the reason for this? I know I'm alittle vague, but I'm still alittle confused as to what happend. I havn't tried to boot it up again, since I dont want to destroy any other parts.

Reply to mikey4644

What model power supply were you using?

Reply to homerdog

I have a Corsair HX520

Reply to mikey4644

@mikey4644:

Sorry to hear that your board got fried. My bet is that the board was bad and also could have been that some thing was plugged in incorrectly. I have heard of ECS boards that had capacitors soldered in backwards and blown up. Could have been some thing smiler. Could you post some pics?

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Reply to Shadow703793

Shadow,

Here are two pictures that give you a good look.

http://img237.imageshack.us/img237/126/s6000816ob7.th.jpg

and

http://img237.imageshack.us/img237/925/s6000817zv5.th.jpg

I'm actually worried that something else is ruined. Like the cpu or video card from this. I won't be able to check until tomorrow when I get another p35. Is there also a program that can check to make sure everything is running 100%? I'm just worried that I'll plug everything in, it'll boot up, but some hardware will be damaged and won't run to it's full potential.

Thanks,

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Sorry to here about the board. Definitely not your fault.

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Reply to Dunkel

WOW! The MOSFET is pretty much melted. Some serious voltage musthave gone through that thing.

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Reply to Shadow703793

Shadow703793 wrote :

WOW! The MOSFET is pretty much melted. Some serious voltage musthave gone through that thing.



Yeah, a quick flare like flame errupted from it. Which is odd. If it was from some sort of voltage, is there a chance other equipment is damanged? No other hardware has visible damage except that.

Thanks,

Reply to mikey4644

There could be damage, but you never know until you try it out/test it.

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Reply to Shadow703793

Any sort of software that can help with testing? Something to run the hardware hard and make sure it handles itself? Just something to make it easier to find out if anything was mildly damaged.

Thanks,

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