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I reset the NB heatsink and temps are still the same even at stock...48C. Maybe just a bad sensor because the heatsink is cool.

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Quovatis wrote :

I reset the NB heatsink and temps are still the same even at stock...48C. Maybe just a bad sensor because the heatsink is cool.


You're sure that it's the NB and not the SB? :)

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Evilonigiri wrote :

You're sure that it's the NB and not the SB? :)



The one that I reset? lol of course.

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Hm... interesting... I have been looking at other forums (Xtream systems,etc) and most people say that they're NB temps for the P35 chipset is about 55C under full load. It looks like I'm running cold and you guys are OK.

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I really hope to put a small fan on the MCH eventually. I'm scared of the noise though; Shadow, is your fan very loud?

Reply to homerdog

Great Guide!!

Started Ocin myself

Ups to shadow!
:)


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Shadow703793 wrote :

Agreed. That's why I use a 40mm fan on it.

 

Do you think this is why I can't get my E2180 to 3.2Ghz stably without applying a ton of voltage, best I saw it do was 6 hours FFT @ 1.525V in BIOS. I remember I PM'd you about your exact settings and did mine as equally as possible, not only that I even gave my Vcore a couple notches up for the benifit of the doubt if my chip was worse and it still failed after a half hour I think at 320x10 1.47Vcore I think it was. I had the FSB +0.1V as well, timings were on auto which usually are the most relaxed. I think my 2180 is just a lemon. But anyone have an average temp of the NB after running prime for 10 minutes?

 

edit sorry, just read the posts before this page, let me see what my NB temps go to, I think I'll use HWmonitor.

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homerdog wrote :

I really hope to put a small fan on the MCH eventually. I'm scared of the noise though; Shadow, is your fan very loud?


Nope. The fan was from an old K6 based rig. I can hear my 120mm over any of the other fans.

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bildo123 wrote :

Do you think this is why I can't get my E2180 to 3.2Ghz stably without applying a ton of voltage, best I saw it do was 6 hours FFT @ 1.525V in BIOS. I remember I PM'd you about your exact settings and did mine as equally as possible, not only that I even gave my Vcore a couple notches up for the benifit of the doubt if my chip was worse and it still failed after a half hour I think at 320x10 1.47Vcore I think it was. I had the FSB +0.1V as well, timings were on auto which usually are the most relaxed. I think my 2180 is just a lemon. But anyone have an average temp of the NB after running prime for 10 minutes?

edit sorry, just read the posts before this page, let me see what my NB temps go to, I think I'll use HWmonitor.


Yeah, looks like you have one of those less overclockable CPUs :(. Also tell me about the NB temps. That could also be a problem.

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One note on the "Performance Enhance" setting. This will set all of your memory timings, not just tRead. I'm running "Extreme" right now, because I couldn't find a working set of timings. Using memset I can see the timings set. Once I find the time, I'll see if I can take this baseline and tweak it a little more.

Also, the BIOS version being used will make a difference. For some reason, the F7 BIOS I was using on my P35-DS3L Rev 2 wouldn't give me a stable overclock at 400x8 with my 2160, but the F8b BIOS does.

Also, what is the Static tRead Phase Adjust timing? I'm not sure what it corresponds to in memset, and I don't know what impact it has.

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^The timing has minimal impact on actual performance except in benchmarks the timing will not matter 98% of the time. Yes, Performance Enhanced will adjust all RAM timing. Hit Ctrl+F1 at main screen to gain acces to timing settings. Thanks for the info on the BIOS version stability.

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I mentioned the Performance Enhance because the main guide only mentions the Static tRead timing, and might be misleading.

Also, I'm playing with the timings to see what kind of benchmark I can get. I realize I'll never really see a difference, but it's fun.

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litlrabi wrote :

One note on the "Performance Enhance" setting. This will set all of your memory timings, not just tRead. I'm running "Extreme" right now, because I couldn't find a working set of timings. Using memset I can see the timings set. Once I find the time, I'll see if I can take this baseline and tweak it a little more.

Also, the BIOS version being used will make a difference. For some reason, the F7 BIOS I was using on my P35-DS3L Rev 2 wouldn't give me a stable overclock at 400x8 with my 2160, but the F8b BIOS does.

Also, what is the Static tRead Phase Adjust timing? I'm not sure what it corresponds to in memset, and I don't know what impact it has.



I second this. I just got my board back from Gigabyte after frying the NB. They sent me a refurbish with the new F8b Bios. I had F6 and could not boot at 400x8. Now I can. :pt1cable:

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How did you fry the NB and what program/where in that program do you view the NB temperature?

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Has anyone successfully enabled SpeedStep with an overclock? Mine randomly crashes and resets to default sometimes with SpeedStep on. It seems like a nice feature, but doesn't work well with overclocking.

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When overclocked the only thing that works is the feature that lowers your multi. The feature that auto lowers your Vcore doesn't work.

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litlrabi wrote :

I mentioned the Performance Enhance because the main guide only mentions the Static tRead timing, and might be misleading.

 

Also, I'm playing with the timings to see what kind of benchmark I can get. I realize I'll never really see a difference, but it's fun.


I realize that "Performance Enhanced" options automatically changes all the RAM timing. How ever depending on the RAM and the overclock the system will become unstable at the settings applied by "Performance Enhanced" option. The information about the tRD value was provided as courtesy of homerdog and I did not change any of the texts he posted. Remember this guide was originally intended to 1st time overclockers and new overclockers who want to go beyond the Automatic AI overclocking. Because of this I left out most of the "expert" features like RAM timings out of the guide except tRD value, which has a higher impact on the performance than any other RAM timing option.


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Updated 4/22/2008
Included new note under "CPU Host Frequency" about BIOS versions.

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bildo123 wrote :

When overclocked the only thing that works is the feature that lowers your multi. The feature that auto lowers your Vcore doesn't work.



It's either both or none on the DS3L right? Unless I'm missing something...

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I apologize if I sounded critical, this guide is the reason I have a successful overclock now.

Thank you for your excellent work.

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^Glad I could help :)

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Quovatis wrote :

It's either both or none on the DS3L right? Unless I'm missing something...



Both options are available but when I OC the cpu only the multi will lower, the voltage stays the same. But when I run the cpu stock both work normally as expected.

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bildo123 wrote :

Both options are available but when I OC the cpu only the multi will lower, the voltage stays the same. But when I run the cpu stock both work normally as expected.



hmmm, and you have no problems with crashing when OCed and the multi lowers? Even at a modest 2.8 GHz on a q6600 mine will randomly reboot when I exit a program because the multi is lowered at that time.

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Frying my NB is my guess to what happened. I was struggling to stabilize my E2160 @ ~3.3GHz. After a decent Prime ~6 hour small FFT run with temps ~68C I got a BSOD. I'd been working on this all day and I thought I had it. Needless to say I failed the patience test which is probably the most important thing when OCing. So I went from +0.1 MCH to +0.3 without a NB fan.

The next attempted post gave me the No Signal Input or black screen. MB gave me a longer beep then normal and all the fans turned on but that was it. I pulled everything. Reset everything. I had spare GPU and RAM to use so I eliminated everything except the chip and the board, so I sent the board to Gigabyte. They sent me a board a few days ago but they haven't responded to my inquires as to what was wrong with the board. They won't even tell me for sure if it's my board or a refurbished one.

Lesson learned. I guess I'll stick to 3.2GHz. At least I can do it at 400x8 now. Like I said, I couldn't do that with the old bios.

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Quovatis wrote :

hmmm, and you have no problems with crashing when OCed and the multi lowers? Even at a modest 2.8 GHz on a q6600 mine will randomly reboot when I exit a program because the multi is lowered at that time.

 

I actually disabled both C1E and EIST since I would sometimes reboot/BIOS reset when coming from sleep mode. But at the same time I let my memory auto time itself so I'm not sure if the power savers or memory stopped the bios reset from standby problem. But when I had EIST/C1E it ran prime tests fine, or so it seemed. I would like to get my E2180 to 3.2Ghz but even with 10x320 I need 1.525 in BIOS to get anything stable and 8x400 crashes within seconds of prime. Yet it runs great at 300x10 @ 1.4125. Basically to get that last 200Mhz I need to double over the voltage of what it took to get the 1Ghz gain. Thats a sever curve/drop-off. Which is one of the main reason I said forget it and stuck with 3Ghz. Not only that as I check the temps during the warm whether ambient is much warmer as well as cpu temps.


Message edited by bildo123 on 04-23-2008 at 05:10:14 PM
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Dunkel wrote :

Lesson learned. I guess I'll stick to 3.2GHz. At least I can do it at 400x8 now. Like I said, I couldn't do that with the old bios.


I did tell you that you're gonna kill it. :non:

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400x8 is definitely the sweet spot for me. Cool and hellafast, just how I like it :sol:

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Quovatis wrote :

In the text you say up the FSB voltage at >310MHz, but the BIOS picture shows 400. Which is it?

Also, I have the same board and I'm wondering what the "System Temperature" is ("Temp1" in SpeedFan). It's reading ~50C under load and I thought it might be the Northbridge temperature. However, I put an aftermarket cooler on it and the base of the heatsink is cool to the touch, so I can't figure out what it is. It varies from 45 to 50C, so it's not the Tjunction or Tcase. Any thoughts?


on my board its gpu i found this out by kicking up fan speed whith ntune and watch temp start dropping riteaway

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^For me it's the Northbridge temp. Weird.

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Evilonigiri wrote :

I did tell you that you're gonna kill it. :non:



My punishment fit the crime. Two weeks without my new comp. was hell. I started drinking and smoking again, during that time.

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2 quick questions:
1. What is the normal temperature at which the temp throttle feature starts kicking in? Even at something no higher than 62c (read in both speedfan and coretemp) after 15 mins of load, my multi is lowered to 6.
2. I have never gotten an error stress testing with prime (round off error checking enabled), whenever I don't have enough voltage, it just reboots without any error notification or bsod. Is this normal?

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Asian PingPong wrote :

2 quick questions:
1. What is the normal temperature at which the temp throttle feature starts kicking in? Even at something no higher than 62c (read in both speedfan and coretemp) after 15 mins of load, my multi is lowered to 6.
2. I have never gotten an error stress testing with prime (round off error checking enabled), whenever I don't have enough voltage, it just reboots without any error notification or bsod. Is this normal?


1. I don't know. Sorry :)

2. Outright crashes when testing with Prime usually indicate that your system isn't very stable...

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I know, but instead of getting an error message through prime, it just reboots, whereas the overclocking guide says prime should flag it and turn red. Just wanted to know if this was normal considering after 30+ prime failures while voltage tuning, every one has resulted in a reboot rather than an error message.

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@Asian PingPong:

1. Depending on CPU 75C or 85C or something else. Also if the motherboard is set to a Temp trip it will do the same.

2. Could be PSU issue.

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Asian PingPong wrote :

I know, but instead of getting an error message through prime, it just reboots, whereas the overclocking guide says prime should flag it and turn red. Just wanted to know if this was normal considering after 30+ prime failures while voltage tuning, every one has resulted in a reboot rather than an error message.


Weird things will happen if your system is highly unstable, which seems to be the case for you. You will start to see error messages instead of crashes when you start to approach stability.

As to what is causing the instability, I couldn't tell you. Make sure nothing is overheating and try increasing some voltages.

Reply to homerdog

I had the same issue with the board. No errors, just rebooting. I updated the BIOS to F8b, and that fixed it.

I don't know if it was motherboard, RAM or what, but since the BIOS fix worked, I'm guessing motherboard.

I have to say, it's frustrating not getting an error, just a rebooted machine when you check on it hours later. At least with errors you know what went wrong.

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Updated 4/25/2008
Included note to future P35-DS3x DS4x owners.

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Shadow703793 wrote :

^For me it's the Northbridge temp. Weird.


you may be rite im gettin confused im new to this ocing the last rig i built was 8 years agoand that was amd this one is intel ok .
this is what im tryin to figure out before i attempt an overclock
im running speedfan and coretemp side by side
coretemp and speedfan report the same for core0 and core1
27to28c at idle but when im in bios and just let it sit for anhour cpu temp says42 43 c
that confuses me
now speedfan
temp1 56c but when i kick the fan speed up on graphics card temp drops 10c within 1 min.
temp2 34c
temp3 2c i know this is nothing
hdd 30c
core0 same as coretemp 27 28c
core1 same as coretemp 27 28c
core 74c
ambient 57c
if i go into ntune turn vid. card fan speed up to 70 percent temp1 core and ambient drop drasticly within a minute
temp1 47c
core 42c
ambient 32c
sorry about the long post but im afraid to overclock without temps i can trust
my system
ga-p35-ds3l
intel e2200 2.20gz
stealth xstreme 600 w
pqi 2x2 gig
evga 8800gts 512 ko
maxtor 120 gig hd
coolermaster ammo 533 case 2 120mm fans
lg 22 monitor
windows xp 32bit

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^Go with the CoreTemp temp readings for CPU.

Core (74C) is probably your GPU

Do this in SpeedFan:

Go to "Configure"
Go to "Temperature"
Post screen shot of "Temperature" tab.

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this is with gpu fan set at 70percent



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^OK, here are what the temps refer to :
http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2394/2450215788_de544380c3.jpg?v=0

 

45C one is the motherboard or CPU.


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thanks alot for the help shadow
you think cpu temps look normal thanks again

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Yes. CPU temps are normal.

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Reply to Shadow703793

Thanks for making this guide, it was really helpful!

What method do you suggest to use for attaching a 40mm fan to the NB?


-Fastmedic

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I used hot glue and some silicone to glue the NB fan. You could try using some small screws.

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Fantastic guide! One question I do have--I'm planning to try 3.6 GHz on my E8400/DS3L combo after I get my temps calibrated, and to do that, do I just set the CPU Host Frequency to 400 and the Memory Multiplier to 2.00, or the Host Frequency to 200 and the Memory Multiplier to 4.00? You say something in the guide about 800 MHz frontside needing a "200" in that field.

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^
CPU Host Frequency: 400 (aka FSB 1600)
SPD:2 (so RAM runs at 800Mhz)

 

400(FSB) *9 (Multiplier)=3600Mhz

 

(The FSB for Intel CPUs are Quad pumped, ie 200*4= 800)

 

200=800 Mhz FSB
266= 1066 Mhz FSB
333= 1333 Mhz FSB
400= 1600 FSB


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Great post. Thanks Mate :)

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n00b alert...I was wondering if this situation is possible when using the new EP35 board w/ e7200.

I want to make a mild overclock to get it to a FSB of 1333MHz. legit reviews posted they did that overclock without changing any voltage settings. I was wondering if this is possible w/ the EP35-DS3L board and will the DES software interfere with that overclock since it's not changing voltage??

thanks!!

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^You should be able to OC the E7200 to 1333FSB. As long as you don't install the DES software DES will not affect the OCing, it is a bad idea to install DES software imo, the energy savings are not worth the possible instability..

 

PS: I believe this is the legit review link?:
http://www.legitreviews.com/article/690/12/

 


http://www.legitreviews.com/images/reviews/690/intel_e7200_333fsb.jpg
according to that the voltage is ~1.3v, so you may or may not need to raise the voltages.


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This guide seems pretty helpful and I was thinking of getting this board. Would you say a Q6600 would be a good choice for overclocking with it?

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