AMD pwned

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System Builder Marathon: The $4,500 Super PC

Published on October 28, 2008

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retro77

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01-24-2008 at 01:22:37 AM

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I would think that there would be a huge law suit on Intel for price gouging faster than we can even think about it.

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caamsa

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01-24-2008 at 01:32:59 AM

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turpit wrote :

:cry:
But I like your table

Seriously though where did you get that picture from?

That was pretty cool. Looked like there was a mother board in there as well.

Creativity at its best.

Better than throwing it in a landfill. Which unfortunately too many people do.

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yomamafor1

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01-24-2008 at 01:46:50 AM

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The place where AMD destroys intel is the server market. And they currently have a stop ship on those cpus.

Well, it might be to your surprise, but Intel outselled AMD in server segment at about 7:1 ratio, even in 4Q of 06. The only segment where AMD's catching up to Intel is desktop, which has the ratio of 3:1.

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turpit

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01-24-2008 at 01:54:11 AM

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caamsa wrote :

A motherboard, and looks like maybe a video card

desk B here

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mathos

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01-24-2008 at 01:59:39 AM

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All I gots to say about CPU price on the phenom 9600 black edition. It's been the best sub $200 processor upgrade I've had so far.

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ZOldDude

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01-24-2008 at 07:50:52 AM

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Stevemeister wrote :

Irrespective of whether you buy AMD or Intel - one thing is for sure. If AMD goes under expect prices of Intel chips to increase and that is not good for any of us.

In most cases similarly priced chips perform similarly such that actual operational difference is imperceptible - you will not for example really notice a 5% or 10% increase in graphics card performance but you will notice a 25-40% impovement. I would consider the AMD6400+ a good buy right now - massively better than my current AMD4000+ for less than half the price I paid. The other factor for most users is irrespective of minor perfomance differences, cost is an issue for most users and if you can plug a Phenom into and existing AM2+ MB using your existing RAM that works out to $200-$300 extra you do not need to spend to upgrade your system. That is a lot relative to the price of the chip itself so if performance is 5% under a similar Intel model - who cares. IN terms of value for money it wins.

The situation may be different for new builds and this is not an attempt to analyze every possible scenario but at the of day people will buy what they will buy - hell I drove a BMW for years but when it came time to replace I figured an Infiniti represented far better value for money even if in absolute terms it wasn't quite as good.

The AMD AM2 w/1MB L2 @2.8Ghz per core for $88 BOXED is a real good deal for an upgrade.
The 5000+ BE with only 512k L2 unlocked for $99 is another good option.

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ZOldDude

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01-24-2008 at 08:02:16 AM

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And it might supprize you to know that -today- severs that use 2 or more CPU's are going AMD becuase of iterconnect gain and lowerd power cost.

All...ALL the movie GFX companies -only- use AMD...CRAY's new HPC uses only AMD...the largest Super Computer System in the US uses only AMD.

After you move away from -desktop use- those who want bang-per-buck and power saveings ONLY use AMD.

Large servers and companys with those servers are NOT the same animal as us gamers who OC.
We want OUR value as they do theirs.
But to be honest THEY are the bread and butter...they pay the top Dollar and we get the parts that never meet the grade for them.

Now to be fair this year Intel has said they will also come out with a AMD style of interconect and onboard memory controler.
Let's see if it violated a patent and if a courts adds payment along with the 10% of all past sales as a fine the EU has in review now.
Last week Intel stock dropped over $3.24 per share in one day alone in part over the court news.

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01-24-2008 at 08:35:18 AM

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ZOldDude wrote :

And it might supprize you to know that -today- severs that use 2 or more CPU's are going AMD becuase of iterconnect gain and lowerd power cost.

Nope. I knew that since day 1. However, this also shows how niche MP server market is (since almost all of the HPC market belongs to AMD).

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All...ALL the movie GFX companies -only- use AMD...CRAY's new HPC uses only AMD...the largest Super Computer System in the US uses only AMD.

Nope, not surprised at all.

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After you move away from -desktop use- those who want bang-per-buck and power saveings ONLY use AMD.

Nope. After you move away from desktop, where AMD has most of the relative market share, they lose both in server segment and mobile segment. (7:1 and 5:1, respectively)

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Large servers and companys with those servers are NOT the same animal as us gamers who OC.
We want OUR value as they do theirs.
But to be honest THEY are the bread and butter...they pay the top Dollar and we get the parts that never meet the grade for them.

So is that the reason why Intel is outselling AMD 7 to 1 in server segment?

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Now to be fair this year Intel has said they will also come out with a AMD style of interconect and onboard memory controler.
Let's see if it violated a pantent and if a court adds payment along with the 10% of all past sales as a fine the EU has in review now.

Doubt it. It will be years before EU made its decision, and years before the case is completely settled. You can keep your finger crossed, but I really doubt EU would fine 10% of Intel's profit for the past several years.

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Last week Intel stock dropped over $3.24 per share in one day alone in part over the court news.

And AMD lost 1/3 of its value just about two weeks ago, when Dow slumped. What's your point?

TBH, this is really childish. I'm really tired of this Intel vs. AMD flame war. Give credit when its due. AMD was the top dog, now they're not. Face it.

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01-24-2008 at 09:09:51 AM

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turpit wrote :

You are so right!! And the good news is, Ive finally found the time and place for Phenom:

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j/k
sorry....but you know me. I can never resist.

Nice desk!!!
I think phenoms are the best thing that could have happened.
The Q6600 is only slightly more than the phBE, while it's brother, a mear .26ghz faster, is twice the price.
Thank you AMD.

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yomamafor1

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01-24-2008 at 09:11:38 AM

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endyen wrote :

Nice desk!!!
I think phenoms are the best thing that could have happened.
The Q6600 is only slightly more than the phBE, while it's brother, a mear .26ghz faster, is twice the price.
Thank you AMD.

Nope... Phenom 9600 BE is 10 USD more expensive.

Talk about a failed product... :lol:

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01-24-2008 at 09:39:14 AM

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yomamafor1 wrote :

TBH, this is really childish. I'm really tired of this Intel vs. AMD flame war. Give credit when its due. AMD was the top dog, now they're not. Face it.

Actually some people don't really care who the "top dog" is.

Some of use just get tired of people posting that the Phenom is useless and that the Q6600 is so very much better that the Phenom isn't even in the same universe.

It's not and it isn't and it is.

That is all.

endyen

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01-24-2008 at 09:39:46 AM

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Where I live, the q6600 is $40 more.
I suspect that without phenom, it would be considerably more expensive.
Of the quads available, the q6600 is the best deal, even though the ph 9500 is a lot closer to my usual price range.

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yomamafor1

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01-24-2008 at 10:00:40 AM

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endyen wrote :

Perhaps. However, remember that Q6600 was already around ~300 USD back in March, a little over half year before Phenom's launch.

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harna

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01-24-2008 at 10:29:45 AM

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Not all review sites are so pessimistic about the Phenom's future.

"The good news is that we have seen a great deal of potential from the AMD Phenom processors, and with a little more work they could become great alternatives to the Core 2 competition. For the moment though it almost seems as the Phenom design is a little ahead of its time, with this true quad-core design still waiting for software developers to catch up."

and then.....

"Arguably, the most technologically advanced game on the planet right now is Crysis, and this just so happened to be a game where the Phenom processors did quite well. Granted they did not wipe the floor with the Core 2 Quad