Last message on previous page:

 
 
Dude that video has been on the internet for a long time now..so it's deff a repost!

The TLB problem is over-rated. However since the stuff is mission critical, even the low probability chance cannot be taken - hence the no ship except in cases where all parties know the TLB problem simply cannot happen.

Oh, and if K10 was so crap in the server/workstation market, surely there would be no demand for the chips anyway... You might want to separate an isolated bug from performance.

You guys are depending on the 9800GX2 to be insane. Unfortunately, there are doubts as to whether it can trump existing SLI configurations of G92 Cards + the 3870X2.
This is because of heat issues with the card, causing the two 8800GTS G92 Chips to be underclocked to 550 each, and the general trend of SLI not scaling so well.
Time will tell.

 
Seriously dude, if K10 was crap they'd probably stop-ship it and bite the loss rather than face a class action lawsuit.  OH WAIT!  That's exactly what they did.
 
You do understand that AMD willingly pulled K10 Opterons completely off the market, right?  And yet you're making an argument that it is a good chip?
 
I don't follow your logic.

K10 isn't all bad. It's nothing they promised but still works well for servers. Although that arena will change once Nehalem is released as AMD will no longer have the only chip with the IMC and such. Then it will probably be useless.
 
Thats when AMD needs to get a new chip out. If not I doubt AMD will be able to catch back up in the one area they do best in unless Intel slips up again and that might not happen.

 
Of course you cannot follow my logic - your Intel tinted specs are preventing any rationality on your part
 
 

 
Oh, but they are shipping K10s, just to places where they know they CANNOT face a lawsuit.
 
 
 

 
You unable to read?
 
"You might want to separate an isolated bug from performance."
 
 
K10s performance in the server/workstation environment is fine. The B3 revision fixes the TLB bug, and unrestricted shipping can restart.

I really could have done with out the he/she/it/*** or whatever it was that was whining earlier in the thread... i mean really.. i shut it off after about .2 seconds of whining. There's no reason anyone should be exposed to that. honestly... what were you thinking? that's almost more repulsive than the holocaust or that thing that happened at the super bowl with janet jacksons nether parts.

Wow, that's like 30% interest, or a complete and total lie. Actual debt is ~ $2B and they are paying $400M down on it each quarter.  
How much does Intel pay you to spread such drivel?

In another post, you will find that AMD is selling 2696 chips to a post secondary institution in Japan
I know, that's not a lot of chips, and for it's use, you might even say it's imposibly too few.
It's for an HPC server. It will have a peak of 105 TFLOPS. That would make it the tenth or eleventh most powerfull setup in the world, if it were online, right now.
By comparison to get 146 TFLOPS the Swedish supercomputer needs 13728 53xx xeon processors.
That says to me that these new opterons might not be too bad.

 
Good try.
 
http://finance.yahoo.com/q/ks?s=amd
 
Debt: 5.27 bil.  
 
Now my question is, how much does AMD pay you to spread such drivel?

You mean 5bil including long term lease http://www.amd.com/us-en/assets/co [...] ncials.pdf, with a payment of 238mil on same right.
What did you say they were paying you?
(They do seem to have changed that quarterly, or my memory is worse than I thought. They seem to have taken a rather large hit on that account this year. Lease obligation in New York perhaps? Maybe upgrade of fab30 to 38?)
I'd still; like to know where you get the 30% interest.

 
Thats actually 10784 processors for the Japanese super computer you forgot to multiply by 4. And I looked that up and found there are more than one. One has 805 HP Proliant DL140's that each house 2 Intel Xeon 5345's for a total of 6440 CPUs that do a total of 60 TFLOPS so double that amount to 12880 and you should have it hit 120 TFLOPS. I am sure the Optys will have a bit of an advantage with the IMC but not much.
 
If anything what that system does can be done by 105 of Intels Tera-scale chips each running at 62w putting out a total of 1 TFLOPS each. So it would be a total of 8400 chips. Plus they can have their speed increased and put out 2 TFLOPS each.
 
They currently owe almost as much as they bought ATI for. Which kinda sucks since that will hurt their bottom line until it is payed off.
 
Truth is that the Opteron is not performing as well as it eas touted to be including the fact that it doesn't clock that high. But the IMC does give it a advantage in certain areas of the server arena but not in all.

Well, the quad core AMD chips do indeed have 4 cores per processor, but it's still 2696 opterons (10784 cores) producing 105 Tflops, and 13728 quad xeons (54912 cores) producing 146 TFLOPS.  
BTW, is someone building an HPC rig with 105 Intel tera-scale chips?

 
I take what you meant by "long term lease" as those senior convert notes, which is due in 2012, then yes, it does count towards their debt.
 
Tell me again why you're trying to "rose up" the outlook for AMD?

 
Sorry but thats not right. Look at the second Swedish super computer on www.top500.org (its the 23rd on the list). It shows 6400 processors. It is made up of as stated in my last post 805 HP Proliant DL140s ( http://www.nsc.liu.se/start/news/pr070426_en.html ). Take 805 x 2 since there are 2 chips per server = 1610 chips and multiply by 4 = 6440 actual Processors.  
 
The first Swedish machine has 13728 actual processors and 3432 chips. Top500 looks at the actual processors not chip packages.
 
I would love to see a Tera-scale HPC. Or even a server. It would be awesome really considering it would use less power than our current dual/quad core CPUs.

Exactly!  They are only shipping K10 Opteron to places that aren't affected by the defect in the chip.  Which goes back to my original point:  K10 Opteron is a nearly complete failure because they can't even ship it (with a few exceptions).
 
You are totally ignoring the fact that end users (you and I) cannot buy K10 based opterons.
 

My bad. I will always consider a processor as the cpu.
 A dual, quad, or octal cpu will always be a processor with multiple cores.
Thanks for the links.