Yispli- I don't have a lot of trust in the Inq. either. Its been wrong too many times to maintain credibility. But anybody can check Amazon.com and find that they are advertizing the Phenom 9700 at 2.4 ghz with availability on Feb 29, 2008 and they are taking orders now. Amazom may have this wrong, but if they are wrong, they'll be mighty PO'ed at AMD because it would mean they would have to return a lot of money to angry customers. Now is this a B2 stepping or a B3? I can't say for sure, but after all the trouble brought on with the B2s, I can't see AMD releasing a B2 now.
I hope you're right because I'll have the money to buy a couple of 780G boards for power saving mode and a couple of Phenoms on March 15.. I just really do not want B2, even if I won't encounter the errata all that often. I'd also be interested in a 65 watt part if was decent enough, but only a 1.8 gigahertz Phenom 9000 is in the roadmap.
Wolfdale has great power savings, and I hesitate to switch, but the 3870x2 will draw enough power.
Not that they need the bandwidth ... but it will stuff up your overclocking efforts ... despite the superior silicon headroom.
That will piss off the fanbois eh?
Or are they just in cruise mode ... ?
time will tell.
It's not all about overclocking. In fact, the C2D and the first Wolfdale's are decent as is. Intel could screw up 45nm quad core and still be on top as far as the world is concerned.
AMD needs 45nm bad, and they need it yesterday. It's not just about B2 errata anymore.
Check and see if all of the INTEL execs are still grinning from ear to ear or whether they have gone back into huddled whispers like the Netburst days ... or AMD right now.
Nothing they're doing now is as bad as Netburst, and I say this posting from one of our 3 PC's, a P4 630 on an ATI X200 board.
I suppose the bug ridden b2 Phenoms sell like hotcakes. Otherwise pushing back their "next" major release as well as most of their spin offs would be a rather bad idea. And since they are going 45nm this very year, closing in on intels manufacturing process - like every time they transition to a new process, there is nothing to worry about. Then again, this is probably just a rumor. AMD always delivers on shedule.
2008 will be, just like 2007, a very tough year for intel. The competition is fierce like never before.
Let me understand this. We're talking about a rumor coming from a Chinese tech site that contradicts AMD officials and claims that "supposedly, we'll have to wait". What about the opposite, that according to AMD, we supoosedly won't have to wait? Ok, AMD officials don't have the best track record at the moment, but I can't say I give any more creedance to the Chinese tech site thatn to the AMD officials.
Shame on Tech Report for spreading rumors.
I'd rather believe the Chinese. After all, they manufacture 99% of everything else to make the damn CPU work!
I'd rather believe the Chinese. After all, they manufacture 99% of everything else to make the damn CPU work!
Its not the Chinese themselves, but this tech site that I wonder about. Beyond that, like many things, I'd like to see such reports confirmed by more sites, which didn't use in their confirmations the report from this particular web site.
Its not the Chinese themselves, but this tech site that I wonder about. Beyond that, like many things, I'd like to see such reports confirmed by more sites, which didn't use in their confirmations the report from this particular web site.
I trust HKEPC. I often dont like what they have to say, but they have never been wrong as far as I know.
On the other hand, I dont believe techreport. They are obviously under ther control of "the evil empire", or Intel's PR team. There are a number of other articles around, based on the same HKEPC bit. Most of them see the article as saying AMD is doing good on 45nm, have moved tricore to an earlier date, and are now nearly ready to launch faster phenoms.
The individual with the screen name MatrixBaron at AMDzone is NOT BaronMatrix.
BaronMatrix has a login at AMDzone under the name BaronMatrix
BaronMatrix is NOT banned from THG.
The only truth to the fallacy that this guy is BaronMatrix is when the guy calls himself a tool.
Thanks turpit.
I'm glad to hear that BM has stopped coming around of his own volition.
When he started here, he was sometimes a good source for AMD info.
I think what really turned him was the continual attacks. He was often screamed down for using a word incorrectly, even when what he ment was obvious.
I wont say I'll miss his trolling posts, but he has, at times been a reasonable member of this community.
I didn't think his account have been banned as I can still PM him and see it.
The MB fraud thing might be true ... that's for sure. I wasn't the only one to notice it. If someone here did it for a joke ... your a wanker that's for sure ...
Baron ... if you read this you need to come back ... the horde can't function without an decent foe ... I'm not up to it on my own ... I post when their all sleeping ... that's not cricket !!
Gents ... check your temps on your new cpu's again eh??
heh heh ...
Regarding popularity I'd say Baron was up there with MU ... well for me anyway. MU is always factual and a gentleman .. Baron is / was our resident AMD front man.
I didn't think his account have been banned as I can still PM him and see it.
The MB fraud thing might be true ... that's for sure. I wasn't the only one to notice it. If someone here did it for a joke ... your a wanker that's for sure ...
Baron ... if you read this you need to come back ... the horde can't function without an decent foe ... I'm not up to it on my own ... I post when their all sleeping ... that's not cricket !!
Gents ... check your temps on your new cpu's again eh??
heh heh ...
Regarding popularity I'd say Baron was up there with MU ... well for me anyway. MU is always factual and a gentleman .. Baron is / was our resident AMD front man.
There are so many Intel front men ... alas ...
Ummmmmm Reynod....the Horde is the collective name for the AMD faboys, not the Intel. The only 'collective' name anyone ever gave to the Intel fanboys was "brood', coined by baronmatrix and used by only him....no one else ever used it as it was kind of lame.
Plus I don't see it the same way reynod does. Most people want what performs which is Intel right now and AMD made certain promises that it hasn't kept yet.
I do prefer Intel but for many reasons. One being the innovation they promote outside of the CPU such as SATA, faster memory(PC and non PC such as NAND), wimax and so on. I like having new stuff sooner than later as AMD systems seem to get the stuff after Intel does.
Plus I don't see it the same way reynod does. Most people want what performs which is Intel right now and AMD made certain promises that it hasn't kept yet.
I do prefer Intel but for many reasons. One being the innovation they promote outside of the CPU such as SATA, faster memory(PC and non PC such as NAND), wimax and so on. I like having new stuff sooner than later as AMD systems seem to get the stuff after Intel does.
AMD does a lot of that work as well. They just do it in a different way. They started the DDR and HTT consortiums.
They like to be seen as a team player. Intel often gives off a very good impersonation of a bull in a china shop, when it comes to getting inovation utilized.
I do prefer Intel but for many reasons. One being the innovation they promote outside of the CPU such as SATA, faster memory(PC and non PC such as NAND), wimax and so on. I like having new stuff sooner than later as AMD systems seem to get the stuff after Intel does.
I preferred Intel in the P166 days because the K5 I tried out wouldn't run Windows, but it would run Linux. Years later, I heard it was the fault of the board's chipset. Back then, I knew how to build PC's but I'd often get crappy motherboards.
My problem with Intel is the way they kept AMD out of the OEM markets with "rebate" programs, even when AMD had the better products. If life were fair, then Intel would have had financial problems like AMD has now because of Netburst.
My kvetch is that Phenom is being treated much worse today than Netburst was back then. I don't know if all the Intel fans ditched AMD for C2D and just feel like jilted lovers, or if they are Intel fanboys who looked the other way when Netburst was criticized. Granted, Netburst is not 100% evil, it still runs PC's for most tasks, and can stay quite cool with a non-stock fan sounding like a turboprop.
I even had two Netbursts and two Athlon X2's but the P4's were a disappointment. One of my motherboards can only be upgraded with a Pentium D because of voltage issues, but why bother? Intel has always done things their way, regardless of whether standards are agreed upon, and regardless of whether the practice lurches into unethical territory.
If AMD comes out with the B3 Phenoms, especially some 65 watt Phenom's faster than 1.8 gigahertz, then I'll go for them as the underdog. I won't have any illusions that they can equal a Wolfdale in games that only use two cores, but why should we reward Intel, simply because Intel has the best right now? They weren't actually punished in the market or the courts like they should have been.
Sometimes a company's behavior is reason to avoid them, no matter how tempting the Fry's offers are, like an $88 Pentium C2D 2.3 bundled with an ECS 945 board, or a Q6600 with another ECS board for $258. I almost got the first for my 7 year old and the second for myself, but I just couldn't do it.
It's not fanboyism. AMD is falling behind fast, back to the K62 days. I'd just like to see some balance brought to the desktop market. If we had another viable OS for games other than Microsoft, then I'd use that too. I once used OS2 for Windows just to not have to use MS-DOS (after I bought a game that needed a better DOS than DR DOS 6).
Just out of curiosity, what would have been ample 'punishment' for Intel with Netburst? Bankruptcy? 50/50 marketshare with AMD? Running in the red for 6 straight quarters like AMD?
From what I remember, they did lose a lot of marketshare to AMD, and whilst remaining in the black, profits were down by around 50%. Obviously that is not enough 'hurt' for your tastes.
