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Intel is also under Anti-trust in New York...last time I checked that was on American soil. All this 'The EU is solely out to get Intel' is all Meaningless.
Intel suffered huge Loses in 2006, but never as low than AMD is now. Why did Intel survive? They had inferior products yet still maintained a strong position.. The reason being because Intel cheated by bribing and bullying OEM companies to use Intel....Otherwise companies would of used the superior AMD products. Now Intel has a product the 'Core2Duo', which is now being revealed as being stolen from a university! Intel are nothing but copy and cheats, they are being exposed and I'm loving it.
AMD have been the innovators in recent years and AMD would be in a much higher financial position if it was not for Intel abusing it's corporate power. AMD has been choked of market share despite being the better CPU company by far!
Intel is also under Anti-trust in New York...last time I checked that was on American soil. All this 'The EU is solely out to get Intel' is all Meaningless.
Intel suffered huge Loses in 2006, but never as low than AMD is now. Why did Intel survive? They had inferior products yet still maintained a strong position.. The reason being because Intel cheated by bribing and bullying OEM companies to use Intel....Otherwise companies would of used the superior AMD products. Now Intel has a product the 'Core2Duo', which is now being revealed as being stolen from a university! Intel are nothing but copy and cheats, they are being exposed and I'm loving it.
AMD have been the innovators in recent years and AMD would be in a much higher financial position if it was not for Intel abusing it's corporate power. AMD has been choked of market share despite being the better CPU company by far!
Support AMD the Honest company!!
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If by "better" you mean.. underperforming, lieing, cheating, and stealing.. sure! The last attempt by a dieing company to blame everyone else for it's own short comings.
Anyways, the thread had actually turned into a halfway intelligent conversation, go dig up another article and post a new thread.
Cheating, lieing, deceit aside...
Which architecture is performing better right now. The "stolen" Core 2 (WHICH BTW, AS FAR AS I REMEMBER THEY ARE INNOCENT INTEL PROVEN GUILTY...) or the K10?
Intel is also under Anti-trust in New York...last time I checked that was on American soil. All this 'The EU is solely out to get Intel' is all Meaningless.
Intel suffered huge Loses in 2006, but never as low than AMD is now. Why did Intel survive? They had inferior products yet still maintained a strong position.. The reason being because Intel cheated by bribing and bullying OEM companies to use Intel....Otherwise companies would of used the superior AMD products. Now Intel has a product the 'Core2Duo', which is now being revealed as being stolen from a university! Intel are nothing but copy and cheats, they are being exposed and I'm loving it.
AMD have been the innovators in recent years and AMD would be in a much higher financial position if it was not for Intel abusing it's corporate power. AMD has been choked of market share despite being the better CPU company by far!
Support AMD the Honest company!!
AMD4Life
- for a company so dishonest, i must say they are handing out quite a pelting and for me whom will buy anything that has the best value, I couldn't be bothered less how they get there. This is after all an aggressive market, not Sesame Street or Barney's back yard.
Does anyone honestly think that if it were a German company dominating the German market that they'd even bother? Surely there's just a bit of anti-American sentiment driving this.
I redefined stupidity based on the biased fanboyism here:
Stupidity can be defined as someone blindly following a believe or notion of something that might or might not yield to be 100% correct or true. Stupidity has layers and the most extreme would be your avg fanboy that despite the overwhelming hard facts against his believe, still follows blindly.
I might also add a clause that says that said fanboy prob don't understand the meaning of money or his source of income is from the parents, whom also pays his Internet bill that he so promptly abuses in trying to convince other people that his believe rocks.
And in closing, all this flame wars and fanboyism really is killing intellectual and meaningful discussions.
Does anyone honestly think that if it were a German company dominating the German market that they'd even bother? Surely there's just a bit of anti-American sentiment driving this.
AMD are an American company.
They just happen to have a manufacturing plant in Germany.
Maybe Intel should take note
More seriously - no, this isn't anti-american. Its just what the EU does. They are much more active in managing companies for the supposed benefit of the general public than the US govt.
Message edited by Amiga500 on 02-13-2008 at 03:10:53 PM
Quote "More seriously - no, this isn't anti-american. Its just what the EU does. They are much more active in managing companies for the supposed benefit of the general public than the US govt. " or in otherwords, VERRRY socialistic, which by politco standards raises those same politicos to such a grand level. And, yes this IS anti-american, which is NOT socialist. If it were an EU company, it would be dealt with differently, tho, any time the politicians can raise the rent (taxes) or just come accross their own windfall,even after they make it themselves, they will
Quite amusing to see some of the completely naive comments on the EU, from people who obviously have no understanding... Anyhow, I don't for a second think this has anything to do with the fact that Intel is American, I mean, how on earth would AMD get away with it? Yes, they have a fab in germany, but it's not like it's the central part of their company...
Be interesting to see how far this goes though...
Personally I can't stand the EU Comission, they're the biggest bunch of pen-pushing, blotter-jotters the world has ever seen. Not in my **** lifetime will I be tracked wherever I go by ID card and satellite tracking....
I really don't understand the mentality of EU... are they doing it for "justice", or are they doing it simply to protect the businesses in Europe from fierce competition?
Look at Microsoft. Recently a internet browser company sued M$ for including Internet Explorer with their Windows, which, as they claimed, reduce "competition". EU is taking M$ to court based on that. The inclusion of WMP also sparked a bunch of legal battles between EU and M$.
I understand M$ is a shtick when it comes to competition, and they are indeed abusing their monopolistic power. However, how can you count two of the essential programs (WMP / IE) as "optional"? Do EU really think regular consumer will pick out their internet browser and music player after buying the computer?
Heck no, they assume after making the purchase, they can just plug and play. Adding more competition in this sector only make consumers' lives miserable, and that is exactly why M$ has dominated the OS field (not primarily because of their monopolistic behavior).
Sometimes I really don't understand EU's mentality, at all.
I really don't understand the mentality of EU... are they doing it for "justice", or are they doing it simply to protect the businesses in Europe from fierce competition?
Look at Microsoft. Recently a internet browser company sued M$ for including Internet Explorer with their Windows, which, as they claimed, reduce "competition". EU is taking M$ to court based on that. The inclusion of WMP also sparked a bunch of legal battles between EU and M$.
I understand M$ is a shtick when it comes to competition, and they are indeed abusing their monopolistic power. However, how can you count two of the essential programs (WMP / IE) as "optional"? Do EU really think regular consumer will pick out their internet browser and music player after buying the computer?
Heck no, they assume after making the purchase, they can just plug and play. Adding more competition in this sector only make consumers' lives miserable, and that is exactly why M$ has dominated the OS field (not primarily because of their monopolistic behavior).
Sometimes I really don't understand EU's mentality, at all.
You could go further than those two programs to say that ANY program bundled with Windows reduces competition.. including Windows Messenger, Calculator, Notepad, Movie Maker, Disk Cleaner.. etc. Where do you draw the line?
With the EC looking to press more charges against Microsoft, investigating Apple, and charging Intel, it clearly is ready to take a hard stance on what it says are blatant abuses of the market system -- and it stands to gain a bit of financial bounty in doing so. Chipmaker AMD has constantly complained about Intel's alleged abuses and has encouraged the European Union and other government bodies to aggressively investigate its rival.
Why don't they also investigate Nokia, who may also abused their dominant power against Motorola? Oh wait, that's right, because Nokia is a Finnish company.
Message edited by yomamafor1 on 02-13-2008 at 04:52:28 PM
And Nokia is getting blaimed in Germany for shutting down a factory at Bochum and relocating the production to a new one in Romania. Germans are trying to find a way to get their 'investment aid' funds back from Nokia, some 100M€ or so..
Probably hasnt made it into top news overthere but here in Finland it has
and just to add, the Bochums factory was making nice profit but in Romania the labour is so much cheaper that the capitalist thought its a good move to relocate the whole fab...
And Nokia is getting blaimed in Germany for shutting down a factory at Bockhum (?) and relocating the production to a new one in Romania. Germans are trying to fing a way to get their 'investment aid' funds back from Nokia, some 100M€ or so..
Probably hasnt made it into top news overthere but here in Finland it has
and just to add, the Bockhums factory was making nice profit but in Romania the labour is so much cheaper that the capitalist thought its a good move to relocate the whole fab...
That is also the exact reason why US tech industry is shrinking (in terms of hirings). Most companies have outsourced to Asia to take advantage of their ultra-cheap yet ultra-efficient workers.
Quote "More seriously - no, this isn't anti-american. Its just what the EU does. They are much more active in managing companies for the supposed benefit of the general public than the US govt. " or in otherwords, VERRRY socialistic, which by politco standards raises those same politicos to such a grand level. And, yes this IS anti-american, which is NOT socialist. If it were an EU company, it would be dealt with differently, tho, any time the politicians can raise the rent (taxes) or just come accross their own windfall,even after they make it themselves, they will
It has a certain charme to see people argue and complain about matters they feel strongly about, yet lack the facts, knowledge and understanding to see the issue unbiased. I suppose if an amercian robs a french and gets prosecuted, it's anti-american. How does an argentinian feel about that? Or a mexican?
Intel does a lot of work in europe. Damaging a corporation that provides work is not in the EUs interest. If i'm not mistaken, Ireland is in the EU and you better ask them what happens if Intel decides the EU stinks. Intel is no american company. Look where they manufacture, where they do their work. Neither is AMD american. They are international companies. The EU has to investigate charges by either of the companies. Since other countries did the same investigation, i suppose they are anti-american too. Sticking to that point of view instead of looking at it unbiased, leads to a rather tight corner of the political spectrum. And no one like nationalists.
Even if the Germans have a problem with Intel, as many here speculate, only one judge looking at the anti-trust charges is german, 24 others are not.
I suppose it's a new trend to point and scream "anti-american" nowadays.
- for a company so dishonest, i must say they are handing out quite a pelting and for me whom will buy anything that has the best value, I couldn't be bothered less how they get there. This is after all an aggressive market, not Sesame Street or Barney's back yard.
