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Sorry, Im for Mexico against France. Why, they make better tequila, their foods even tastier than french cuisine, and oh by the way, they ALSO kicked Frances ass LOL


I dont understand what people see in tequila, it's just badly burnt booze...
You should try some of the quality stuff we have here in Finland, Koskenkorva, Tapio, Leijona or Suomi-viina to name a few :D
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no wiki entrys for the others :ouch:

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chunkymonster wrote :


It may have taken the EU a little over 4 years to render a fine big enough to get M$'s attention regarding their closed source policies, but here it is and no amount of "creative accounting" is going to lessen the huge dent this will make in profits.



This will not make any dent in Microsoft's profits. Microsoft will pass the cost on to European consumers.
Basically, these consumers pay taxes to provide the bureaucrats' salaries, and in exchange get higher prices. I'd feel sorry for them, but those are democratic countries and they can always start voting differently if they don't like it. I have to assume they like it, since they haven't done anything to fix it in such a long time.


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kellytm3 wrote :

Once again,this is the thanks American companies get.Everyone over in Europe should be thankful for America everyday!!!Remember The United States is the reason German,or Russian is not the national language on the European continent!!!



LOL @ you
we should be thankful to America for putting rockets in our countries...
America USED us a a bufferzone, nothing more.
not very nice isn't it?
and now they just can't get enough with their stupid rocket shield...
I'm certainly not pro russia, but if there will be another cold war, I bet America would be the cause.

and for all of you guys b#tching on the EU...
it's not the EU who commences these cases against MS. the EU gets complaints from companies like Realmedia and sees into the problem. if the complaint is accurate, then the EU gets into action.

respect to amiga500 and lukebird for being the only ones posting reason and not behaving like a four year old

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exarrkun wrote :


respect to amiga500 and lukebird for being the only ones posting reason and not behaving like a four year old


Many thanks :)
The EU minority has to stand up against everyone else! :kaola: :D
And before that starts anything else, that was a JOKE!!


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Amiga500 wrote :

Windows is an operating system. It is only fair MS supply the source code to people developing programs for it when they have a monopoly on the market.


How would you like it if MS stopped handing out the source code to valve etc, and you couldn't play games (except those that MS developed).



Ok, first of all MS does NOT hand out the windows source code to ANYONE. Same goes for any proprietary software. Second, what in the hell makes you think that software developers need the OS source code to develop applications? Third, if IE didnt come standard on windows... how would consumers discover/download third party products?

Kids these days just keep getting dumber and dumber.


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exarrkun wrote :

LOL @ you
we should be thankful to America for putting rockets in our countries...
America USED us a a bufferzone, nothing more.
not very nice isn't it?
and now they just can't get enough with their stupid rocket shield...
I'm certainly not pro russia, but if there will be another cold war, I bet America would be the cause.

and for all of you guys b#tching on the EU...
it's not the EU who commences these cases against MS. the EU gets complaints from companies like Realmedia and sees into the problem. if the complaint is accurate, then the EU gets into action.

respect to amiga500 and lukebird for being the only ones posting reason and not behaving like a four year old




Yeah, gotta love whiners that complain about not being able to earn a profit when they CHOOSE to try and compete with product(s) that can be had from multiple vendors FREE! Makes perfect sense.

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doubled wrote :

Yeah, gotta love whiners that complain about not being able to earn a profit when they CHOOSE to try and compete with product(s) that can be had from multiple vendors FREE! Makes perfect sense.


Give it a rest would you?
Perhaps agree to disagree...?


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endyen wrote :

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Once again,this is the thanks American companies get.Everyone over in Europe should be thankful for America everyday!!!Remember The United States is the reason German,or Russian is not the national language on the European continent!!!


Yes, that is funny. Once Britain beat the Germans in the battle of Britain, and the Axis was stopped at Stalingrad, the German army's days were numbered. The Americans played no role in either.

A few facts about France, as well. The reason France was so easily overrun during the WWs is because thier main battle contingents were busy in thier colonies. Yes, they had colonies in Africa, South America, the middle East, and the far east.
The ones the Americans should remember best are Morrocco, because of the movie Casa Blanca, and Viet Nam, because of thier war with the same name.
France is ofcourse only a second rate nuclear power. Then again, if the US and France were to have a nuclear war, noone would win.
If I had to live in France or the US, I would choose France, because they have better cognac.




I don't think your WWII facts hold up.
France fell due to incompetance.

Read "Collapse of the 3rd Republic". It will show why France Really Fell.
They could not co-ordinate any of their forces.

Their Main Armored Division spent more of the war on Rail lines being shipped around w/o being committed due to indecision. They kepy begging England for more planes while not using the ones they had. France actually had more servicable aircraft after the Fall of France than before since they did not use them. The stories go on and on.
It was not a matter of them being overwhelmed by numbers. Rather it was being defeated roundly due to incompetancy.

Also the role the US played in defeating Germany is quite a bit more than you realize.
The Americans supplied England with many destroyers to help defeat the German U-Boat Fleet which was strangling England. They also supplied a massive number of Aircraft which help keep Germany industry and oil production facilities in disarray. Without this Airpower, Germany would have been much stronger. The US also supplied Russia with much needed supplies and transport vehicles to help support their army.

You also miss a key point of the poster. He did not just say "Speaking German" but also Speaking Russian.
If the Americans had simply continued the Airwar and not liberated Western Eurpoe, there is little doubt that the Russains would not have stopped in Germany, but rather tried to control all of Western Europe like the did Eastern Europe.


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zenmaster wrote :

You also miss a key point of the poster. He did not just say "Speaking German" but also Speaking Russian.
If the Americans had simply continued the Airwar and not liberated Western Eurpoe, there is little doubt that the Russains would not have stopped in Germany, but rather tried to control all of Western Europe like the did Eastern Europe.



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LukeBird wrote :

Give it a rest would you?
Perhaps agree to disagree...?



Afraid not. I'm going to fight socialism and fight to keep every penny I earn until the day I die. I'm not going to give up a penny without asking if it's necessary. People with viewpoints like yours, the idea that you can take something because it doesn't belong to them simply because it's "only fair", are dangerous.

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endyen wrote :

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Once again,this is the thanks American companies get.Everyone over in Europe should be thankful for America everyday!!!Remember The United States is the reason German,or Russian is not the national language on the European continent!!!


Yes, that is funny. Once Britain beat the Germans in the battle of Britain, and the Axis was stopped at Stalingrad, the German army's days were numbered. The Americans played no role in either.

A few facts about France, as well. The reason France was so easily overrun during the WWs is because thier main battle contingents were busy in thier colonies. Yes, they had colonies in Africa, South America, the middle East, and the far east.
The ones the Americans should remember best are Morrocco, because of the movie Casa Blanca, and Viet Nam, because of thier war with the same name.
France is ofcourse only a second rate nuclear power. Then again, if the US and France were to have a nuclear war, noone would win.
If I had to live in France or the US, I would choose France, because they have better cognac.




This maybe somewhat accurate, if you completely ignore every other battle in WWII.

Who provided the airplanes, armor, ammo, jeeps, trucks?......before the Allies (not just the US) got involved, Germany owned England. In the skies and on the sea. London was bombed nonstop. Ships were torpedoed non-stop.

You are either highly delusional, on very good drugs, or ignorant on the subject.


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I think its kinda wrong to use the past as a "who's your daddy" leverage. We are suppose to learn from the past/history, and not repeat it.

 

If Intel/AMD/MS want to do business there, then they will have to deal with it, not us comsumers. If they don't like it, they can pull out of that country. Nobody force them to be there.

 

I'm sure we all want the same thing, to better ourselves, and prosper. But then there's aways them pretty people who are hungry for power.

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Don't bother him with the facts now.......he thinks he is on a roll.


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Well he did successfully find a link to Microsoft's website.
Too bad he does not know they do give some versions of Visual Studio away for free.
Too bad he is completely unaware that there are unpublished methods and APIs.


Zen, to begin with, you're mixing up posts, and misunderstanding their meaning; doubled was referring to the person I replied to being on a roll (with his anti-MS rants), not me.

Perhaps your time would be more usefully spent adding to the discussion instead of assuming you know me, or what knowledge I do or don't have. If you can point out factual errors in my posts, please do. If you want to try to make me out as some kind of idiot because I have no need to spend my days coding bits and bytes, well, that's just pathetic. I write applications for business personnel, and for business coding C# or VB.NET is just fine.

Perhaps you could elaborate further on why MS's practices are anticompetitive, and on what types of developers would be harmed most by those practices? You prior posts hinted in that direction, with their assertion that MS uses functions available only internally to make their applications superior to 3rd party apps.

I would also wonder (and would be genuinely interested in your thoughts on the subject), which would be a better solution - force them to share their source code, as the EU is wont to do, or force them to use ONLY published API's in coding their own applications (other then the Windows core functionality)? Do you *really* want/need to spend your time plumbing through the internals of Windows code to be able to write your apps? Or do you just need a level playing field?

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Grimmy wrote :

that country.


don't want to sound like total jerk, but erhm... what?
EU is just a 'loose' union of independent countries.

Other than that, I agree. :D

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