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the strange thing is, why the thermal pad that comes with the stock heatsink perform better than thermal paste? Shouldnt they work more on this to find out the reason?

intel needs to just buy stock coolers from amd

Totally agree with ya man. This article is very interesting to me especially for those who have no idea about past Intel Stock coolers.
Yes, it is a good comparison with Intel offered paste and other third party offered thermal paste.
Wow, I though the Prescott cooler (Fan @ very high RMP) was real good because Prescott CPUs created insane amount of heat instead the QUAD 6600 cooler ( Fan @ low RPM) was way better. Oh I see, it was also depends on the materials used too to build that cooler.
Some stupid idiots believe there was a problem with my stock cooler (Installation Error with a high temp). Well Toms prove it well, and I'm very thankful to Toms that the stock cooler can hit 80 degrees plus on a QUAD during load.
I like every single bit in that article but please change the title please. Yes, it is very good. Love it.

I'm wondering, do editors just post a link for discussion, and forget about it?

There are so many good suggestions, enthusiast suggestions, advising how to improve article quality and content.

And all we see is a continuous dropping of qualities, reviewing some of the most unused aftermarket coolers out there, trying to make a point.

Best of Media, you seriously disgraced Tom's work.

Ahhhhy... daa.. goo goo.. blah eeeeeee... ha.. naaa isshhh issshhh oooo eerr ummm... ya.

I like it when people don't read the whole thread before posting, so that thoughts that actually make sense get lost in the middle. If you disapprove of the THG cooler reviews, fine. but at least read the articles, and note the following :

Article 1 : The biggest comparison of all time - more than 80 CPU coolers in the Tom's Hardware Munich lab

Article 2 : testing six more coolers that join the eleven models we reviewed in the previous installment.

Article 3 : We will be testing these versions in an upcoming installment of the Cooler Charts.

Im pretty sure that 27 is not equal to 80, and that in the picture in the first article i see at least 2 coolers coming that i really would like to see compared to the field, so i'll keep reading like you all will now.

The last thing I read from this guy was http://www.tomshardware.com/2005/0 [...] age11.html.
They bothe used a comon fan. It ran cooler the first time.
This setup uses a 113w chip, the last time, it was a 140w+ chip. Go figure.
I like this piece better.

First time poster, but long time reader.

I was conned into thinking this segment of CPU coolers was going to be worth wild. I'm glad the Cooler Master unit scored well (since I own that), but really this whole thing was a bust. I completely lost hope when the third article ended with this statement:

Conclusion - Box Coolers Are Not A Good Choice For Overclockers

No sh*t sherlock.

lol

amd coolers are better than the intel crap coolers

but one thing i noticed in the 3 articles is that 90% of the coolers had poor cooling performance with their test system

they should have just tested 1 stock intel cooler, then moved on to other coolers

or even better create a new article on heatsink mods like adding a tube from the fan, to a vent on the case for getting cool air directly from the outside of the case (most new cases are extra retarded because the duct for the cpu cooler is always in a place nowhere near the CPU

a few years ago, my amd athlon xp 2400+ used to get to around 55C

but removing the fan and adding a fan adapter then attaching a good 80mm fan and the max temp went from 55C, to around 42C and it was even quieter than the stock fan


for my stock amd fan (which i got a good 727MHz overclock and it still runs cool) adding 2 steel wires and attaching a 92MM fan to it and having it aim directly at he heatsink (i also added a cardboard duct around it to make sure that fins air is directed at it) the cpu temp max went from around 71C to around 65C after about 5 hours running prime 95

Most of these coolers work on multiple sockets, generally 478 and 775 for Intel and 754/939/940/AM2 for AMD. I'm betting that Tom's just ran everything on Intel platforms as that's what they had more of lying around and they didn't want to run everything twice.

First, putting the same aftermarket cooler on both an Intel and AMD chip will tell you which one produces more heat as the cooling capacity is exactly the same. You can do the math after that to tell whose boxed cooler is better. And secondly, overclocking headroom doesn't matter much in heat production- the only headroom that matters is the headroom between the CPU's actual dissipation and its rated dissipation. I understand your reasoning that a chip with less overclocking headroom will be pushed by the manufacturer more at stock speeds to compete with the competition and thus dissipates more heat due to higher voltages. But if two chips are rated at the same dissipation and actually do dissipate anywhere near their rated dissipation, the temperatures will be similar regardless of how much more frequency somebody can or can't pull out of either of the chips.

Uhhh are they seriously running these chips at 98C like the chart is saying.. the lowest is at 65C!!??????





No wonder it is taking so long for this review.. egads they have to wait 2 months for the friggen chips to cool down!



Oh and the intel thermal paste is garbage..

But I suppose we will have to go through another 6- 16 page articles .. to generate ad revenue for you guys to keep the power bills up to date as you are taking those chips into supernova areas...




lol comon guys...


please catch up~!!

What a crap review series so far.

Anybody reading THG is a computer enthusiast who is already way beyond stock coolers. What a waste of testing time. Geez, even my 7 year old niece knows better. What are we, a bunch of Dell owners? Come on!

And why not outline the whole cooler review process in Part 1 by telling us how many total parts there will be! What is this, some kind of TV crime series where you keep us guessing for a whole season? Try this THG: wait until you test ALL of the coolers and then post all the results at once so everything can be taken in context. Christ, even the old ladies who do the reviews at Consumer Reports know that.

Like I said before, it's a crap review.

Although this gave me a chuckle.... what are you smoking and where can I get it?

ROFL. My thoughts exactly.

Funny Stuff FanGirl.

i dunno amdfangirl always seems to be smoking someting...

You better pay attention during math class as math is actually useful, especially since you're probably doing algebra if your junior high/middle school is any bit similar to mine. Not being able to do algebra well WILL haunt you around here, especially since you are an AMD fan. You'll need to be able to do basic algebra to know what RAM divider/HT speed/multiplier should I use to get your RAM to run at X MHz. Plus, at least a few of us here have taken upper-level math classes and will tease you until you cry if you mess up on the basics

I'd just say to draw comics either at home, before school or during homeroom (if you have it.) You probably have quite a bit of time after school to do things as you can't work yet and the homework load is light when you're 13. If you say "oh but I have a lot," just wait. Either that or you can swap places with me for a day. You'll either want to shoot me or you'll be well on your way to being the next Doogie Howser.

Its cool, we are just picking on you. But you do want to pay attention in math... or any other class. It seems like it sucks now, but when you graduate, you will wish you did better. At least I did/do.

You should post up some of your art! It is always nice to see what people can do!

Yeah, cause I imagine the majority of the adults on this forum are engineers or scientists with 0 artistic talent (this writer included).