Sorry, couldn't help it. I was trying to see if newegg had fake posted my 4850e yet, but I couldn't find it. Oh well, maybe next week. I'm not in any real rush.
Yeah, I've seen a couple of these fake listings come up. Teasers are all they are. I want the real thing, not fantasy.
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AMD makes the best stock mid-lower high end gaming rigs and great worker bees. AM2+ has the highest upgradabilities out there along with the 790 chipset showing some great performance and stability. Basicly if you want the most for your money and your not going to the xtreme level of computing AMD is a great buy atm with a low starting investment and the lowest future investment cost.
Is a AMD phenom 9600 and a Cheap mobo a good buy at $169. The mobo alone goes for $45 on newegg. This will not be overclocked and will be used for just the basic internet, music, kids. My parents are finally letting me upgrade there PC(AMD XP 2500). Just looking for a really good bang for the buck. Nothing high end.
Oh AMD and Intel are so evil - why dont you buy from VIA instead? It also offers (in)superior products that perform poor clock for clock like AMD
Buying from the smaller company cause you think the bigger company is evil doesn't make you right, it just makes you look like an Idiot. Put your hard earned cash to good use and get the fastest CPU for your money, pick performance not a brand, bugger both the companies.
I bet you shop at Wal-Mart, don't you?
Intel for the majority of the home PC world is the fastest, but to say it is the fastest for the money is not entirely true. Everyones perception of value is different, depending on what they do, and want.
You spend your money where you want, and I'll spend my money where I want.
I have owned VIA products, and yes I WILL have a preference over what company I do business with.
If that makes me look like an idiot, so be it.
If I look like an idiot to you, then I MUST be doing something right.
Brand preference + Hardware Ethusiast Discussion Site = Frustration
While some people have a hidden agenda, coming right out and citing brand preference as a reason to buy a product on a forum where we crunch numbers and dig deeper than brand preference will just end in frustration.
Message edited by TechnologyCoordinator on 03-24-2008 at 06:11:10 PM
I'm not trying to start a flame thread here, I just want people's honest answers.
What builds are Phenom's good for right now. Same question goes for the x2's.
I totally understand that people can upgrade from the 64 to the x2's and from slower x2's to higher clocked be's but if I were to build a completely new system, when would I consider AMD's processors?
Some quick history so nobody thinks I'm spilling gasoline waiting for somebody to bring a match; my favorite build from scratch was a AMD XP 1600+ with the 1st nForce chipset. For the most part, I build Intel machines and am wanting to have a good reason to build another AMD machine. Upgraded my father's machine from a Pentium D 840 to a used x2 4000 system I picked up a while back for $100 that included a gig of ram.
The only reason I can come up is video encoding, not even transcoding, but just pure h.264 and the like.
I personally prefer AMD's x2's for any pentium 4 family computers but sheesh, the Intel's seem to be steam rolling when you factor in gaming and/or overclocking.
Let say you want a quad core cpu, 4 gigs RAM and a motherboard with nice chipset. you have less than 400$ for the CPU/RAM/mobo.
You get a Phenom 9500, a nice ECS motherboard and 4 gigs of ddr2800 g.skill. You put everything together, install Vista, you'll have a nice fast and smooth machine that is rock stable (2 months for me without any problem). Even at 2.2 GHz, it run faster overall than my X24800+ at 2.4 GHz.
The only thing I will cange soon, is the motherboard. I want the ECS with the 780 chipset (for SB700) rather than the one I have now, the 770-m with SB600. Not that I have any problem with it, but I use lot of external USB storage and the SB700 is faster than the 600. That the only reason I'm considering it.
ECS has come a long way in motherboard and can now be considered a serious brand for quality budget build.
Phenom goes well with amd chipsets that have good HTPC options. So you could build an HTPC that can rip and encode for fairly cheap. The only problem is, why does it really need to be fast. You can do the same thing with a sempron, and just set it up to run all night. So basically, yeah, phenom isnt worth much atm.
Is a AMD phenom 9600 and a Cheap mobo a good buy at $169. The mobo alone goes for $45 on newegg. This will not be overclocked and will be used for just the basic internet, music, kids. My parents are finally letting me upgrade there PC(AMD XP 2500). Just looking for a really good bang for the buck. Nothing high end.
NO. Because they will never make use of the cpu. It will literally just waste electricity. An X2 is fine for basic stuff, and you can get ones that will still run after the fan is covered in dust.
I bet you shop at Wal-Mart, don't you?
Intel for the majority of the home PC world is the fastest, but to say it is the fastest for the money is not entirely true. Everyones perception of value is different, depending on what they do, and want.
You spend your money where you want, and I'll spend my money where I want.
I have owned VIA products, and yes I WILL have a preference over what company I do business with.
If that makes me look like an idiot, so be it.
If I look like an idiot to you, then I MUST be doing something right.
heh not an American mate
Ill stick to my Q6600 @ 3400 and you can have and believe whatever you want, we all know who holds the crowns.
K8's - High end gaming machines (single threaded)
K10 - Budget mutli-threading (video encoding)
Core 2 Duo - High end gaming (they have faster models than AMD)
Core 2 Quad - Anything, all models faster than AMD's quad-core
Pentium 4 - Landfill
If you're going to OC, go with Intel. The only processor AMD has that is worth OCing is the Athlon X2 5000+ BE.
I can't say anything more about the P4.
But is it safe to say the K10 is better at most everything (except overclocking) than the X2?
So there is no reson why anyone will want a X2 if they can afford a K10 ? Many computer stores still don't sell C2Ds (at least some cities in Thailand 1 year ago)
I am still wondering why I -need- 4 cores as all I do is surf the web,torrent and game.
I can't notice any of the games running any faster moveing from a sngl core to a dual at the same Ghz....but sure as hell noticed alot going from a OC'd 7900GT to a stock 8800GTS (G92)!
People that get C2Qs (should) know they need it and are usually multi-tasking freaks.
There are still very few applications that run significantly faster with 4 cores than 2 cores. This may change in a few years, so a quad core should at least be more future-proof.
Sorry, couldn't help it. I was trying to see if newegg had fake posted my 4850e yet, but I couldn't find it. Oh well, maybe next week. I'm not in any real rush.
The Q9450 doesn't exist anymore. Remember what it costs before it was taken off? (this is not flooding)
But is it safe to say the K10 is better at most everything (except overclocking) than the X2?
So there is no reson why anyone will want a X2 if they can afford a K10 ? Many computer stores still don't sell C2Ds (at least some cities in Thailand 1 year ago)
No, it is not safe to say that.
In many single threaded applications (MOST GAMES) a high clocked K8 will eat a K10 for breakfast and at least keep pace with the C2D.
The only situation where you'd want a K10 over a K8 is if you're going to be using a lot of multi-threaded applications or if you'll be "megatasking".
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Message edited by TechnologyCoordinator on 03-25-2008 at 02:24:34 PM
