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I'll send a PM this time
I'll make it a double with the how to ask thread too.
I just revisited this thread.
A few more comments:
Step ??. Clear the CMOS. This works just often enough to be worth doing.
Step 15. If the system doesn't power up, try swapping the case power and reset switches. Doesn't cost anything or take long. I was building a give-away system with a recycled case and had that problem once.
My breadboarding link:
http://www.tomshardware.co.uk/foru [...] _13_0.html
Pay particular attention to the Dysan floppy box with the transplanted case wiring.
We should include that breadboarding link for sure. I don't completely understand the case switch thing jsc, are you saying to try to boot the build using the reset switch in case the power switch is bad?
The CMOS reset is included in step 18.
I also put a link to the breadboarding post in a post dated 03/07. I could move some of that info into the OP if you think that would help.
I think this should be put in the first post so people don't have to hunt for it, its very good stuff. People might not see it unless you put it up top. One more step towards stickification.
| shortstuff_mt wrote : I also wanted to add some suggestions that jsc often posts. This is a direct quote from him: "Pull everything except the CPU and HSF. Boot. You should hear a series of long single beeps indicating memory problems. Silence here indicates, in probable order, a bad PSU, motherboard, or CPU - or a bad installation where something is shorting and shutting down the PSU. To eliminate the possiblility of a bad installation where something is shorting and shutting down the PSU, you will need to pull the motherboard out of the case and reassemble the components on an insulated surface. This is called "breadboarding" - from the 1920's homebrew radio days. I always breadboard a new or recycled build. It lets me test components before I go through the trouble of installing them in a case. If you get the long beeps, add a stick of RAM. Boot. The beep pattern should change to one long and two or three short beeps. Silence indicates that the RAM is shorting out the PSU (very rare). Long single beeps indicates that the BIOS does not recognize the presence of the RAM. If you get the one long and two or three short beeps, test the rest of the RAM. If good, install the video card and any needed power cables and plug in the monitor. If the video card is good, the system should successfully POST (one short beep, usually) and you will see the boot screen and messages. Note - an inadequate PSU will cause a failure here or any step later. If you successfully POST, start plugging in the rest of the components, one at a time. " |
| xthekidx wrote : I think this should be put in the first post so people don't have to hunt for it, its very good stuff. People might not see it unless you put it up top. One more step towards stickification. |
Done.
Great thread...refreshes my memory from previous builds and hopefully will help me with my current build.
BTW: I've never had a build work right the first time. I've not done enough of them to know the pitfalls and what not. I'm not ignorant by any means but it's threads like these that certainly help me get my bearings.
If I post the same ole same ole it's not from a lack of reading.
In the old days, I was always putting in the floppy cable backwards
Eventually I learned to match the little number 1 on the board with the 1 on the cable.
Hey guys, im not a big computer wizz so i dont really know what all to do when building a computer :\ Ive followed my previous comp like where the cables go and everything else, even followed the diagram from the mobo picture
Buuuttt ive just purchased a bunch of items thats cost me $3700. These are the items that ive bought
EVGA X58 SLI Motherboard
Gainward GTX260+ 1792MB Golden Sample Edition
ASUS DRW-22B1LT DVDRW
CoolerMaster Real Power Pro 1250W SLI
ntel Core i7 920
CoolerMaster V8 CPU Cooler
Microsoft Windows XP Pro, SP2c, OEM, 64bit
BenQ E2400HD 24in Widescreen LCD Monitor
Western Digital Caviar Black 1TB WD1001FALS
OCZ DDR3 PC3-10666 i7 Edition 3x2GB OCZ3X1333LV6GK
Creative Sound Blaster X-Fi OEM Half Height + Bracket
Now ive got a few other accessories that dont need to be mentioned. So ive got all this connected but when i turn it on it says no signal to the screen :\
:<
!!!!!!!!!!!! wwwhhhhyyyyy meee ....... anyone got any ideas plz ??
if you do plz send it to my email
dayle.legrange@bigpond.com
| Dayle wrote : Bump ?? O.o and the meaning to that is ??? |
Bump means that Proximon was moving this thread to the top of the forum. You really need to start your own thread instead of using this one. Did you go through the checklist at the top of this thread? That should help you troubleshoot your problem.
Little Monday morning Love *Bump*
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Edit your post and take out the e-mail. You're just inviting spammers to collect it from there. It's also putting your privacy at risk.
You don't need to give us an e-mail address. Just click the button "Enable mail notification of this thread" at the top and you will get mail telling you when somebody answered you. The answer will be in the forum. That allows others with similar problems to benefit too. It also means (hopefully) that a bad answer will be caught before you go and follow it.
Still no sticky
Up again
bump
bump. Any word on the sticky?
bump
If you get the long beeps, add a stick of RAM. Boot. The beep pattern should change to one long and two or three short beeps. Silence indicates that the RAM is shorting out the PSU (very rare). Long single beeps indicates that the BIOS does not recognize the presence of the RAM.
MB: ASUS P5Q-E
Ram : nvidia SLI ready, OCZ high performance 2g stick (voltage 5-4-4@2.1v) part number OCZ2N800SR4GK
Mother board wont post, show video, or beep when memory is installed. Verified memory works in different computer as well does the video card, though im not even hooking that up while testing.
I am assuming that the bios is not set to the correct voltage the ram needs... but im guessing. Have not gotten ahold of a different stick of DDR2 to test in my machine, thinking of buying that 512 stick shown in a link earlier in the thread to test.
Anybody able to offer any advise? any is welcome.
you will get more help if you start your own thread on this topic
It shall rise again....
and again...
Bump
Printed this off for my impending "initial power button push"
Thanks a ton
bump
make this a sticky please
bump
Ok we got the Build advice thread stickied, now just one more...
I edited the original post. Apparently the checklist was too "boring" for the forum mods. I'm not sure how exciting a checklist can be, but hopefully they like it better now.
LOL, of course it's boring for the forum mods, since they are hardware experts and don't need it. They are not the target audience for this thread.
Well, it looks good... blue numbers and underlined text ftw i guess... hope we have a sticky come this way now
Could it get any better? It's a long way from my random thoughts, that were just taken from other people and put in one place anyway
My name doesn't really need to be there.
| shortstuff_mt wrote : I edited the original post. Apparently the checklist was too "boring" for the forum mods. I'm not sure how exciting a checklist can be, but hopefully they like it better now. |
Perhaps I should clarify what I meant by "boring" (and why I said that). I know who the target audience is - it includes people looking for answers quick. Those people will not want to read through a monotonous list of do's, they would rather post a help thread and get straight to the point. To be brutally honest, I took a quick look at the OP and didn't read more than the first point before returning the PM I got requesting this be stickied. Why? Because it looks long and "boring."
What I am looking for in the new stickies is a certain level of professionalism and easy of reading. What you have now is getting better because you can clearly see where one point is separated from another - it doesn't look like an essay with white spaces every 2 lines. You've also highlighted the main points so people can skim read more easily to find points they might have missed. If you could separate it into sections of "related" checks that would be better still, but after going through it I don't think that would be particularly easy because mostof them are installation problems.
I would like it if the *How To Ask For New Build Advice* OP was tidied up a little as well. The reason why it is already stickied is because it contains particularly important inofrmation for that section which we needed to get up ASAP.
I want stickies on this forum to be closer to a well-formatted article than simply a "good" post. People read articles, they don't read ramblings. It doesn't matter what the content is, if it looks like a bunch of rambling people won't read it (and before you jump on me, I am not saying this is rambling). People are lazy, so we need to work around that and keep their attention.
Hmm well I can see your point randomizer, but I don't think we should just assume that everyone is lazy. Yes some people are, but the DIY PC builder I don't think typically fits that description; I think Dell dominates that portion of the market. I for one try my hardest to figure out a problem myself before asking others so that I don't look like an idiot when something really simple is the problem, and I don't think I am that much of an anomaly. I think that the majority of the people who undertake building their own PC's are going to put a fair amount of time and research into it, and will take the time to read this checklist, particularly if their system isn't POSTing. I am also under the impression that most people are surprised by how quickly they get answers to their posts. Making a thread isn't exactly a guaranteed quick answer; you are at the mercy of the community to respond, and most first timers coming to the forums are not aware of how active the community is, so I don't think they would be expecting a quick answer. It would seem to me therefore that most people would want to be proactive in seeking their solution and would read this thread, if it were stuck to the top of the forum and appeared in big, blue, bold text.
Plus, there are always going to be people who just go straight to making a new thread without consulting the stickies, no matter how pretty and attractive you make them. I think 90% of the battle is getting them to click on the sticky first before they create a new thread, which no amount of face-lifting will be able to increase...unless you make a really attractive thread title...**READ THIS IF YOUR SYSTEM WILL NOT POST** or something like that. New build won't post checklist isn't exactly a gripping title for this thread.
| xthekidx wrote : Plus, there are always going to be people who just go straight to making a new thread without consulting the stickies, no matter how pretty and attractive you make them. |
Yea, check out all the temperature threads. CompuTronix has put an almost ridiculous amount of time into his sticky and people just don't read it (I don't expect everyone to understand it, just read it and ask questions later). Perhaps you should direct them to the stickies first rather than submitting to their laziness (or blindness). That is entirely up to you, of course.
| xthekidx wrote : I think 90% of the battle is getting them to click on the sticky first before they create a new thread, which no amount of face-lifting will be able to increase...unless you make a really attractive thread title...**READ THIS IF YOUR SYSTEM WILL NOT POST** or something like that. New build won't post checklist isn't exactly a gripping title for this thread. |
I am hoping to get stickies to appear in a different font colour so that your attention goes there first. The developers aren't really on board though it seems, or at least somebody further up the chain isn't.
| randomizer wrote : Perhaps you should direct them to the stickies first rather than submitting to their laziness (or blindness). That is entirely up to you, of course. |
That is exactly what we do, particularly on this topic. You will notice this thread has over 5000 reads since the beginning of Feb, despite its not being a sticky. In fact I am feeling bold and I challenge you to find a "PLZ HELPPP!! My system won't post!!" thread where this thread has not been linked in the last month.
5000 hits, to be more precise. The important question is: Have you noticed any significant reductions in "It won't POST!" threads? If you have, fantastic, otherwise the effort is unfortunately not paying off (although it may if it were a sticky). I don't read or respond to every thread here so I can't answer that.
I've noticed a definite decline in the "It won't POST!" threads when this checklist is on the first page of the forum. People aren't going to go looking for it, but it gets hits and the "It won't POST!" threads are reduced when it's easy to find.
Edit: A quick scan of the first page of this section only shows 2 "It won't POST!" threads. That's a lot lower than the 6 - 8 we were getting before the checklist was created. If we let this thread go down to the second or third page you would see an increase in "It won't POST" threads.
Yeah when we bump this thread every day or so there is a dramatic decrease in those threads than when we let it get to the third page. If its easy and convenient to find people will read it, but almost no one goes to the second and third page looking for similar topics to theirs. They scan the first page and if they don't really see anything that pertains to them they create a new thread.
| shortstuff_mt wrote : I've noticed a definite decline in the "It won't POST!" threads when this checklist is on the first page of the forum. People aren't going to go looking for it, but it gets hits and the "It won't POST!" threads are reduced when it's easy to find.
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Yes I think that's true. Also, the TYPES of problems have changed.... The easy ones are almost gone
| Proximon wrote : Yes I think that's true. Also, the TYPES of problems have changed.... The easy ones are almost gone |
That's true. Some of us used to spend half of our time on the forums telling people to plug in their 4/8-pin CPU power connector.
I haven't seen many of those since the checklist was created.
And when they do come up it is so much nicer to be able to link them here instead of typing the same block of text for every thread.
The title of this topic has been edited by Randomizer
This topic has been sticky in top of the forum by Randomizer
TY!
YES!!
Happy Days
Woot.
Thanks randomizer! Now I just have to figure out what to do with all this free time that I used to spend directing people to this checklist.
I have a little project going... well, I need some free time. Been pretty busy with F.E.A.R. 2 and work the last few days. If anyone wants to comment on it... needs lots of suggestions.
There is an excellent thread on another forum that inspired this one, but I wanted to see if we couldn't do it even better:
http://www.tomshardware.com/forum/ [...] leshooting
I also want to put together a big list of utilities (like CPU-Z) and links, maybe in the same post.
That big list of utilities is a great idea !!!
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