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| archibael wrote : "Core i5 is people!"
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Can't be true - Intel's not the one with the Green logo...
normally I'm not a praying man but
lord give me strength in sub 100 dollar quad cores, with sub 50 dollar mobos with IGPs.
Thanks.
...
I hate to say it...
Core i5s and P55s... particularly the Gigabyte matx one... http://www.newegg.com/Product/Prod [...] 6813128404
So tempting... darn it!
http://newsvote.bbc.co.uk/1/shared [...] _month.stm
In case you missed it, AMD rose 15% on the day the i5 was launched. Think about it.
If only Intel added ECC RAM support to Lynnfield I'd be able to create all kinds of specialised uber-efficient devices based on x86.
But now that purpose looks much more suited to Athlon/Phenom II X2-4 especially with the imminent price drop to react against Lynnfield.
AMD 1, Intel 0

| Upendra09 wrote : HEY THIS IS MY THREAD!!! sto taking over it!!
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You made a thread containing the word "AMD" and "doomed".
This is normal.
Might decide to skip Athlon II to Phenom II X2 and try and unlock the extra cores.
The ACC 785G is about the cheapest mobo you can buy.
AMD is about lower end. Intel is higher end.
Both are good buys.
But don't forget the motherboards and their features.
Right now, i5 is in my favour because of an awesome P55 matx mobo.
| jennyh wrote : http://newsvote.bbc.co.uk/1/shared [...] _month.stm
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Oh, good for them.
Darn... AMD Athlon II or Core i5... can't decide!
| wuzy wrote : If only Intel added ECC RAM support to Lynnfield I'd be able to create all kinds of specialised uber-efficient devices based on x86.
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Hmm... are you suggesting a move towards server-like chipsets?
Welcome back caamsa ... youngster ... lol.
AMD punched up through $5 today ...
So much for the "AMD is doomed" folk here ...
I think AMD still has a few tricks up their sleeve ... not that I really know anything ...
I still think a decent really low voltage X2 with a 1Mb per core fast L2 and an L3 that can be switch off on the fly when idle is what AMD really need now to bundle with their platofrm approach for notebooks ... that market is theirs for the taking if they can push it along.
| reynod wrote : Welcome back caamsa ... youngster ... lol.
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Yep, given the steep rise of AMD stocks recently, AMD's market cap is now at ~3.5 billion.
Also, the market currently values Intel at ~110 billion. Go figure what this implies for the market's expectations about growth prospects for Intel and AMD...
| jasperjones wrote : Yep, given the steep rise of AMD stocks recently, AMD's market cap is now at ~3.5 billion.
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More to lose when it all goes pear shaped. All AMD need do is release one cpu that is faster than intels best and intel will lose billions upon billions, and thousands of jobs too no doubt.
That is all it takes, and is all it will ever take.
you really are delusional, aren't you?
| caamsa wrote : Hey there TC!.....so this discussion is going on again! Didn't we have this conversation about 2 years ago....LOL Did you take a look at AMD's stock prices today? They went up 14.57 percent. That is the largest jump I have seen on their stock in years.....what does it mean? Maybe nothing.....but you never know.
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That's because ATIC (parent company of GF) is trying to buy Chartered, not because of anything AMD or GF have done.
However it was a nice gain for AMD stockholders
.
| jennyh wrote : More to lose when it all goes pear shaped. All AMD need do is release one cpu that is faster than intels best and intel will lose billions upon billions, and thousands of jobs too no doubt.
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LOL - and that's the trick. Doncha think AMD has been desperately trying to do just that since Core2 handed them their arses 3 years ago?
BTW, why are you posting as James33 over on AMDZone and trying to get Smyrgyl there banned as being me??
. I have never registered at UAEZone, simply because I won't give official support to such a biased site...
| reynod wrote : Welcome back caamsa ... youngster ... lol.
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That increase is from it's fab division.
| fazers_on_stun wrote : Well OK but as long as nVidia is still around, AMD cannot raise their discrete prices 1000x which is what it would take (plus selling the same number of cards at $200K apiece! |
Yea I agree, as long as ATI can bring it with some attracting prices I thing they can out-sell Nvdia but it wont be easy... who knows what Nvdia will bring to the table this time, hopefully both companies will give us something to brag about.... Im just thinking this time ATI might have an advantage due to all the speculation and rumors....
Intel is introducing Core i5 and Core i3 for mid and value segments, which will give another blow to AMD's processor line-up. AMD does fail to introduce new technologies and architectures (as 45nm chips were supposed to be released on 2008, but at last it was on 2009) in the meantime Intel introduces architectures which keeps AMD behind. Is not AMD taking lessons?? Who knows....
I think AMD should present a technology like Hyperthreading which is revived in Core i7 and gives performance boost in many applications. Also more efficient architecture is a requirement.
From the beginning I am loyal to AMD. See the list of my system processors from 2000 to present:
K6-II, K6-III
Duron 750MHz
Athlon Thunderbird 1.3GHz
Athlon 64 3200+
Athlon 64 X2 6000+
Phenom II X4 940
But how long should I be loyal, as Intel is introducing far more efficient processors these days??
Please AMD, do you have any answer????
| OvrClkr wrote : Yea I agree, as long as ATI can bring it with some attracting prices I thing they can out-sell Nvdia but it wont be easy... who knows what Nvdia will bring to the table this time, hopefully both companies will give us something to brag about.... Im just thinking this time ATI might have an advantage due to all the speculation and rumors.... |
I'd have to agree that it looks like the AMD/ATI cards are excellent, esp. the upcoming DX11 ones, and I'll probably go with them for my next build which now looks like an i7-860. Might spend more on the GPU since I plan a single-card system.
In the past I alternated between nVidia and ATI cards - both had advantages & drawbacks, but this time around it's looking like ATI FTW!
| fazers_on_stun wrote : LOL - and that's the trick. Doncha think AMD has been desperately trying to do just that since Core2 handed them their arses 3 years ago?
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I have no idea what you're going on about fazers, but then again nothing new there
I am not registered with any other website except this one and considering how often i post here I'm not sure where i would find the time anyway.
Nice try though...if a bit weirder than usual.
| fazers_on_stun wrote : I'd have to agree that it looks like the AMD/ATI cards are excellent, esp. the upcoming DX11 ones, and I'll probably go with them for my next build which now looks like an i7-860. Might spend more on the GPU since I plan a single-card system.
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AMD fazers, AMD. You can say it, it's ok
| fazers_on_stun wrote : That's because ATIC (parent company of GF) is trying to buy Chartered, not because of anything AMD or GF have done.
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You mean to say AMD had no say at all in the foundation of glofo...it was ALL to do with ATIC.
Right...who was going on about not being able to give credit where it was due? Oh wait it was TC not you
Also....didn't you say AMD's only hope was to negotiate a way out of the x86 licence with intel? Sounds a bit hollow now doesn't it? How many more $'s will AMD's share price jump when the next fab goes UAE?
Dude, an 860 paired with a next gen card sounds like a killer combination... Can't wait to see that!!! I bet you will be able to destroy any game/app you throw at it...
| caamsa wrote : Hey there TC!.....so this discussion is going on again! Didn't we have this conversation about 2 years ago....LOL Did you take a look at AMD's stock prices today? They went up 14.57 percent. That is the largest jump I have seen on their stock in years.....what does it mean? Maybe nothing.....but you never know.
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Hey buddy! I hope you're doing well!
Yes, AMD stock was up, but it was actually related to GlobalFoundries purchase of Chartered, not with the i5 release. AMD's stock has been rebounding of late, it still has a way to go though, as it is down down 87% from it's highs in 2006, and still down 27% from it's high point last year. AMD still needs to break a profit, but it would seem investors of lately are feeling more confident as the price goes up.
I think the Core i5 is going to do more damage to AMD, in terms of both marketshare and also it's going to force AMD to lower some of their prices in the range of 10-20%. This is only further going to hurt their revenues.
AMD simply needs a new arch that can better compete with Intel, so they can sell their top binning chips for $1000 instead of $200 dollars.
AMD still has a lot of great chocies in the mid-range (~$200) and budget markets. Their video cards kick butt too and their early adoption of DX11 will probably make my next video card an AMD.
Take care caamsa!
TC...i'm sure you were one of the people saying that selling off the fabs was a bad move.
AMD have in fact, gained more fabs than they ever had before.
How do you feel about this move now (fazers can 'chip in' too
).
| jennyh wrote : TC...i'm sure you were one of the people saying that selling off the fabs was a bad move.
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I didn't have a developed opinion on it because I don't fully understand it and all the complexities. I do have concerns that they made this move to stay afloat financially, but if it works out for them in the long-run too that's great.
"chip in", lol. You're too punny!
| jennyh wrote : I have no idea what you're going on about fazers, but then again nothing new there |
OK, if not you, then my apologies. However it seems very coincidental that Mr. James33 registered yesterday on AMDZone and then promptly brought up the i5 turbocharging as some sort of Intel fraud, and then tried to get Smyrgyl banned for being an Intel troll who posts under 'fazersonstun" over here
.
| jennyh wrote : You mean to say AMD had no say at all in the foundation of glofo...it was ALL to do with ATIC.
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Seems to me that Abu Dhabi & ATIC are the ones calling the shots, not AMD or GF.
Also, I now think ATIC is padding its investment by diversifying into non-x86 CPU fabs, just in case something bad happens to AMD
. Such as losing said x86 license or perhaps filing Chapt. 11 sometime before the Luther Forest fab comes online. Really, it makes sense - I wouldn't want all my expensive new marbles in AMDs pockets which appear to have sizeable holes in them
.
| fazers_on_stun wrote : OK, if not you, then my apologies. However it seems very coincidental that Mr. James33 registered yesterday on AMDZone and then promptly brought up the i5 turbocharging as some sort of Intel fraud, and then tried to get Smyrgyl banned for being an Intel troll who posts under 'fazersonstun" over here |
Truth be told fazers, I'm sure you have a lot of people as enemies lol. Whereas they might keep quiet here for fear of your intel correction crew (badtrip tc etal), they probably feel a lot safer on AMDZone.
Sorry to disappoint you though, that sure would have made a great story worthy of THG.
| fazers_on_stun wrote : Seems to me that Abu Dhabi & ATIC are the ones calling the shots, not AMD or GF.
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What do mean calling the shots? You think it went like this then...
ATIC - 'we're buying Chartered and no arguments!'
AMD - 'nono you can't do that, we don't need the fabs and increased overnight market share of 11%'
ATIC - 'we're buying the fabs AMD...now go get bulldozer made!'
AMD - 'okok, all hail the king of abu dhabi!'
| OvrClkr wrote : Dude, an 860 paired with a next gen card sounds like a killer combination... Can't wait to see that!!! I bet you will be able to destroy any game/app you throw at it... |
Sure, except for Crysis
.
Main reason I'm going with the 860 is the hyperthreading, and it's about the same Microcenter sales price as the 920 (except when the latter is $199
). Win7 should make HT really shine from what I've read, and I usually rip/burn 2 movies at a time while logging on here to keep jennyh honest
.
Of course that last task would be a lightly threaded one
so Win7 would just assign it to a fake core instead of a real one..
| jennyh wrote : intel correction crew (badtrip tc etal) |
Yeah, we're a bunch of jerks! We actually call people out on their lies and misrepresentations. Dang fact correction crew!
| jennyh wrote : What do mean calling the shots? You think it went like this then...
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If you translated that into Arabic, plus put AMDs response in Hector's squeaky little voice, then by gawd you've got it!
| jennyh wrote : AMD - 'nono you can't do that, we don't need the fabs and increased overnight market share of 11%' |
Just out of curiosity, what market did they increase their share of by 11%?
| TechnologyCoordinator wrote : I didn't have a developed opinion on it because I don't fully understand it and all the complexities. I do have concerns that they made this move to stay afloat financially, but if it works out for them in the long-run too that's great.
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I might even be saying 'had' instead of 'has' just to annoy you personally TC.
You have to admit, the shareholders at AMD seem to be pleased with this turn of events. Maybe this was why AMD were upgraded to 'buy' at the beginning of last week.
Fazers's dream of GloFo abandoning AMD for greener pastures seems to be shattered. Maybe thats why the shares jumped so much, I dunno. Still, after selling the fabs AMD are at the highest point yet. Imo, selling the fabs was the masterstroke that saved AMD, and somewhere down the line will lead AMD back to the very top.
| TechnologyCoordinator wrote : Just out of curiosity, what market did they increase their share of by 11%? |
Actually I got that wrong, by Chartered joining I think the figure was 11% of all fabs in existence are now owned by ATIC/AMD.
Nope wrong again. ![]()
"The deal also means it can start increasing production straight away. Overnight Globalfoundaries will have over 11 percent of the global custom-chip market, whereas previously it was hardly even ranked."
So it was 11pc market share in global custom-chips.
| TechnologyCoordinator wrote : Yeah, we're a bunch of jerks! We actually call people out on their lies and misrepresentations. Dang fact correction crew! |
LOL! And our theme song goes like this:
Oh, we're Jerkies!
We're Turkeys!
We even flame the Lurk-ees
So don't mess with Us
Get off our Bus!
Now All - Hail - Intel!!!
| jennyh wrote : I might even be saying 'had' instead of 'has' just to annoy you personally TC. |
Yeah, I still don't understand why shares jumped, but that's due to my lack of knowledge of how the relationships work. Good news for AMD is good news for consumers. I would much rather go back to the arrangement of where AMD and Intel kept one-upping each other with releases.
If AMD survives, anyone buying it below $10 is probably going to make A LOT of money. I know AMDFangirl (I think she bought around $2) is grinning ear to ear right now in Australia.
If you're trying to annoy me with the had\has stuff it's working, LOL.
For some reason it's like nails on a chalkboard for me! Like I said, the wife's a teacher, and I blame her.
Never understood the reason behind copying someone elses user name..... Any gains by doing that? Just like overshocked and overshocks....lol... i guess this is due in part of being an UBER "Fan" of someone...
| fazers_on_stun wrote : LOL! And our theme song goes like this:
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LMAO. ALL HAIL INTEL!
i5's Turbo!
It's Supurp-bo!
It rocks!
Don't call it "overclock"!
ALL HAIL INTEL!
I've gotta go to the bank and cash my Intel check now!
I actually have a near-perfect grasp of english, I just get lazy on the interwebs. It may also have something to do with my native tongue, which isn't English.
The reason the share priced jumped? Probably due to AMD still owning what, 40% of GloFo and their overnight emergence in new marketplaces. There are probably other ramifications too, perhaps AMD will be able to start creating new chips on different processes, using Chartered's fabs.
| jennyh wrote : I actually have a near-perfect grasp of english, I just get lazy on the interwebs. It may also have something to do with my native tongue, which isn't English. |
Wow, if english is your second language you type in it very well! I get lazy too on the interwebs as well, but I usually spell check my posts before sending, thank goodness for google toolbar!
| jennyh wrote : I actually have a near-perfect grasp of english, I just get lazy on the interwebs. It may also have something to do with my native tongue, which isn't English.
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Last time I checked it was 35% of GF. Many are wondering what happens to AMDs "50%" voting share on the GF board now. IIRC AMD has to keep nominal equal voting rights plus a minimum 25% ownership of GF, according to the x86 license terms.
Or maybe the new Chartered division will make fried fish. That way, AMD customers can have their fish & chips
.
Intel are evil.
It's not all that impressive TC, my natural language is Scots. ![]()
I could start typing in that though I doubt any of us would benefit lol. What I meant was, Scots have certain ways of saying certain things and we tend to carry it over to Standard English as well.
And yes, intel are evil, agree 100%. ![]()
You may have noticed a certain 'support the underdog' mentality also. That is something you will find ingrained in the minds of most Scottish people. Something to do with a big bully competitor nearby I think....
I believe Rangers and strangerstranger are also scottish...and also support AMD.
| jennyh wrote : It's not all that impressive TC, my natural language is Scots. |
LOL.
In Detroit, Michigan, USA we're not the underdogs, we're the doormat! The economic Ground Zero with 30% unemployment!
WOW, every time i check the thread i have to read through 4 pages of postings.
anyway it is very informative, therefore the benefits of making a troll title and troll topics works for a former noob like me, and current noob.
So AMD is still terminally ill with the disease called Intel lynnfield i5 750, they are going to need lots of kemotherapy and a miracle to get rid of this one.

| TechnologyCoordinator wrote : 100% agreement. |
Kinda like Walmart in South Park. You know they're evil, but 'oh so irresistible!'.

I love AMD but I think the future for them is to focus on ATI and leave the CPU's as a side thing. Stop trying to beat Intel with CPU's and just beat Nvidia.
AMD is not trying to beat Intel, they do not have the tools nor the money to do so... they are basically the second best option we have.. nothing more...would be nice to see AMD pull a miracle thou.....
| wuzy wrote : If only Intel added ECC RAM support to Lynnfield I'd be able to create all kinds of specialised uber-efficient devices based on x86.
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Lynnfield with ECC support:
http://www.intel.com/p/en_US/produ [...] ifications
X3400 series.
| one-shot wrote : Yes, AMD is going to declare bankruptcy tomorrow morning at 8AM Pacific Standard time. Intel will be only x86 CPU manufacturer and it will ignore AMD's request to be spared. All its employees will be tossed into a large pit so no company will ever dare rise up to the Evil Empire of Intel. Eventually it will take over the world and force us to solder circuit boards for crimes we commit. Those $1000 CPUs will be the least of your worries when we're all under "its" control. It'll be a sad day. Hopefully tomorrow never comes so we'll all be spared! |
har har har ... very funny. I have mental pictures of chained lusrs hauling-away giant sleds of sand to the INTEL blast-furnaces ...
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