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zach538467 wrote :

You could always just put the windows 7 rc on it. they stopped downloads for it but they'll still give you a key I think...you can dl the rc from a torrent or something. should hold you over for a couple weeks.


Now that I found out about the student windows 7 deal for 20 bucks. I'm going to be buying windows 7 most likely unless I can make my friend find my original windows vista disk.

I do have a question though and it may or may not seem silly but I',m wondering so I'm just gonna ask, will Microsoft send you another disk if you tell them you lost yours and or broke it? I still have the serial number from the OEM sticker on my current system. So it would make since if they would mail me one but I guess I'd understand why they wouldn't

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ComputerNovice wrote :

I have a question and I'm aware that I may or may not be able to get a complete answer on this. But basically will I be able to just take the HD from my current PC and put it in my new system so that way I won't have to go out and buy the Vista OS right away again. Because my current PC has Windows Home Premium 64-bit, so I'm wondering If I can just pop it in my new system once its done and just have it boot right up and work.

I plan to buy Windows Vista again in about a 2 weeks so I can get the Windows 7 upgrade coupon, but I really want to be able to use my old hard-drive for the time being mainly because I won't have the money for a new one right away and I'm really just wanting to hurry things up and be able to finally use my new PC...



You can do it only if your current system is not a Dell or HP..because they lock the OS to their motherboard

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zach538467 wrote :

You could always just put the windows 7 rc on it. they stopped downloads for it but they'll still give you a key I think...you can dl the rc from a torrent or something. should hold you over for a couple weeks.


I'd do this, or even better, download the 90-day trial of Win 7 Enterprise from here: http://technet.microsoft.com/en-gb [...] ID=sprblog

 

If you're a student, you could also register at http://www.dreamspark.com and get a non-expiring Windows Server 2008 R2 (Win 7-based) licence for free, and also the download for the ISO.

 
ComputerNovice wrote :

I do have a question though and it may or may not seem silly but I',m wondering so I'm just gonna ask, will Microsoft send you another disk if you tell them you lost yours and or broke it? I still have the serial number from the OEM sticker on my current system. So it would make since if they would mail me one but I guess I'd understand why they wouldn't

 

When you buy Windows, you're really buying a licence, not the software. The disk is worth nothing, it's the key that has value. If you have the key, they should send you a new disk.


Message edited by randomizer on 09-22-2009 at 08:36:23 AM
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Why_Me wrote :

If you don't mind, can you post on that mobo please. I know some peeps here have went and got that board, but only one of them that I know of has posted about it.



The ASRock X58 Extreme? Other than the incredibly trite name, it's awesome so far.

I haven't had time to dig into the BIOS and tweak yet, but I tried the built-in overclocking and it is stupid-easy. I've got my 920 at 3.6 and it is rock solid. Not bad for an overclock that took all of 2 seconds. I'll push it a little harder later, but I'm happy with this as a 24/7 solution for now.

Someone earlier mentioned not wanting to overclock because they want the CPU to last a year or so. Prior to this system, I had a e4300 C2D (1.8 GHz) that was running at 2.83 GHz 24/7 for 2.5 years on stock cooling. If you don't go nuts with your overclock, you'll be fine.

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punditguy wrote :

The ASRock X58 Extreme? Other than the incredibly trite name, it's awesome so far.

I haven't had time to dig into the BIOS and tweak yet, but I tried the built-in overclocking and it is stupid-easy. I've got my 920 at 3.6 and it is rock solid. Not bad for an overclock that took all of 2 seconds. I'll push it a little harder later, but I'm happy with this as a 24/7 solution for now.

Someone earlier mentioned not wanting to overclock because they want the CPU to last a year or so. Prior to this system, I had a e4300 C2D (1.8 GHz) that was running at 2.83 GHz 24/7 for 2.5 years on stock cooling. If you don't go nuts with your overclock, you'll be fine.


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Yeah man I'll post on how if I like the MOBO or not.

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ComputerNovice wrote :

Yeah screw it I'm gonna go ahead and do it right now. What RAM you think I should pair with it? I can't decide between these 3 different kinds.


OCZ Gold 6GB (3 x 2GB) 240-Pin DDR3 SDRAM DDR3 1600 (PC3 12800) Low Voltage Desktop Memory Model 131.99
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Prod [...] 6820227365


G.SKILL 6GB (3 x 2GB) 240-Pin DDR3 SDRAM DDR3 1600 (PC3 12800) Triple Channel Kit Desktop Memory 129.99
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Prod [...] 6820231225


G.SKILL 6GB (3 x 2GB) 240-Pin DDR3 SDRAM DDR3 1600 (PC3 12800) Triple Channel Kit Desktop Memory Model 144.99
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Prod [...] 6820231247


CORSAIR XMS3 6GB (3 x 2GB) 240-Pin DDR3 SDRAM DDR3 1600 (PC3 12800) Desktop Memory Model 139.99
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Prod [...] 6820145236


OCZ Platinum 6GB (3 x 2GB) 240-Pin DDR3 SDRAM DDR3 1600 (PC3 12800) Low Voltage Desktop Memory Model 149.99
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Prod [...] 6820227381


Kingston HyperX 6GB (3 x 2GB) 240-Pin DDR3 SDRAM DDR3 1600 (PC3 12800) Desktop Memory Model 159.99
Intel XMP ready w/e that means lol
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Prod [...] 6820104116




So guys tell me what kind of 1600Mhz speed ram I need to go with, I wanna buy something that I won't have to toy with its stock timings after I've build it I just want it to run right and give me any problems I don't want to spend over about 160usd though or so my RAM kit.




I'm also looking to build an i7 920 based system for gaiming, and was curious which of these sets of RAM were most recommended. Unless of course, someone has something they like better in mind, that's not listed. Thanks in advance.

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real world wrote :

I'm also looking to build an i7 920 based system for gaiming, and was curious which of these sets of RAM were most recommended. Unless of course, someone has something they like better in mind, that's not listed. Thanks in advance.



Crucial 4GB (2 x 2GB) 240-Pin DDR3 SDRAM DDR3 1333 (PC3 10600) Dual Channel Kit Desktop Memory Model CT2KIT25664BA1339 for $74.

Speed is easily upped to 1600, timing on my i7 920 is 7-7-7-19. You don't need Triple Channel Memory,you won't notice the difference, and synthetic benchmarks are actually faster.


Message edited by El_Capitan on 09-23-2009 at 10:01:32 PM
------------------------------ Win 7 x64 | ASRock M3A780GXH/128M | Phenom II x720 BE 3.7GHz at 1.525V | 45C Idle - 61C Max | 4GB Crucial DDR3 1333 RAM at 1600 w/8-7-7-18 timings | GTS 250 512MB OC'd | $470 Total price of entire system.
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I have used OCZ for the last few builds I've done. They(OCZ) haven't disappointed me yet. They were the best bang for the buck at one point, but I think they have been dethroned somewhat. Personally I'd still go with the platinums. Mine are running at 7-7-7-16 and are stable.

 

To me it seems a little counter intuitive to buy an i7 920 and a board that is triple channel capable and only use dual channel like El_Capitan recommended. If you were going that route an i5 would be better. If you are building an i7 920 rig then you obviously want top performance, and you will only save $50-60 going dual channel. And triple channel won't add much real world performance right now, true, but in a year who knows.

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zach538467 wrote :

I have used OCZ for the last few builds I've done. They(OCZ) haven't disappointed me yet. They were the best bang for the buck at one point, but I think they have been dethroned somewhat. Personally I'd still go with the platinums. Mine are running at 7-7-7-16 and are stable.

To me it seems a little counter intuitive to buy an i7 920 and a board that is triple channel capable and only use dual channel like El_Capitan recommended. If you were going that route an i5 would be better. If you are building an i7 920 rig then you obviously want top performance, and you will only save $50-60 going dual channel. And triple channel won't add much real world performance right now, true, but in a year who knows.



Buy for right now. In a year, we'll be at DDR4 and Triple Channel Memory will be cheaper, but still not worth it if it still doesn't add real world performance. $50 - $60 is a Graphics Card upgrade! You'll notice more of a performance boost with that.

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Buy for right now. In a year, we'll be at DDR4 and Triple Channel Memory will be cheaper, but still not worth it if it still doesn't add real world performance. $50 - $60 is a Graphics Card upgrade! You'll notice more of a performance boost with that.



Sure, its a graphics card upgrade. But thats assuming he would skimp on a GPU to get better ram in the first place. Maybe he has the budget for 2X 5870's and 12gb's DDR3 RAM, he never said. Performance wise, for right now triple channel is better.

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Buy for right now. In a year, we'll be at DDR4 and Triple Channel Memory will be cheaper, but still not worth it if it still doesn't add real world performance. $50 - $60 is a Graphics Card upgrade! You'll notice more of a performance boost with that.



Sure, its a graphics card upgrade. But thats assuming he would skimp on a GPU to get better ram in the first place. Maybe he has the budget for 2X 5870's and 12gb's DDR3 RAM, he never said. Performance wise, for right now triple channel is better.



Not sure what his budget is, but I'm still arguing that Triple Channel is not better. It's assumed it's better, but tests have showed that it's not. Price-to-performance is what we're going for. If it was just performance, we'd just be arguing about what's top of the line.

http://www.insidehw.com/Reviews/Me [...] -Mode.html
http://xtreview.com/review232.htm
http://www.ninjalane.com/articles/ [...] ualvtriple (this person tests Triple Channel DDR3 vs Dual Channel DDR2)

I've tested it on my system, and there's no performance boost.

------------------------------ Win 7 x64 | ASRock M3A780GXH/128M | Phenom II x720 BE 3.7GHz at 1.525V | 45C Idle - 61C Max | 4GB Crucial DDR3 1333 RAM at 1600 w/8-7-7-18 timings | GTS 250 512MB OC'd | $470 Total price of entire system.
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Getting a i7 920 and then getting DDR2 memory makes no since at all. Because first off, if your building a i7 then you should be able to afford DD3 RAM, I totally get what your saying but seriously when you really sit and think about someone building a i7 system then pairing it with DDR2 it honestly just makes you think they should be building a AMD system because honestly they are much cheaper and if your going to be using DDR2 you might as well not build a expensive I7 system.

 

Although I totally get your point but if someone was really trying to build on a budget it would just make much more since to build either using the new 1156 socket type or use one of the new AMD really CHEAP quad core CPU's that actually are really nice.

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Message edited by ComputerNovice on 09-24-2009 at 07:39:17 AM
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ComputerNovice wrote :

Getting a i7 920 and then getting DDR2 memory makes no since at all. Because first off, if your building a i7 then you should be able to afford DD3 RAM, I totally get what your saying but seriously when you really sit and think about someone building a i7 system then pairing it with DDR2 it honestly just makes you think they should be building a AMD system because honestly they are much cheaper and if your going to be using DDR2 you might as well not build a expensive I7 system.

Although I totally get your point but if someone was really trying to build on a budget it would just make much more since to build either using the new 1156 socket type or use one of the new AMD really CHEAP quad core CPU's that actually are really nice.


Lol, you know what's funny? I read that the Crucial 4GB (2 x 2GB) 240-Pin DDR3 SDRAM DDR3 1333 (PC3 10600) Dual Channel Kit Desktop Memory Model CT2KIT25664BA1339 is actually the same modules they use for their Triple Channel Kit, the CT3KIT25664BA1339.

I recently ordered another 4GB since it was cheap (I have 4GB on my Phenom II x3 720 BE, and 8GB on my i7 920). My i7 920 states my memory as being in Triple Channel. :)

Therefore, I just need to subtract a 2GB module on my i7 and put it on my Phenom II and make both of them Triple Channel. All that, and for $3 cheaper. :)

------------------------------ Win 7 x64 | ASRock M3A780GXH/128M | Phenom II x720 BE 3.7GHz at 1.525V | 45C Idle - 61C Max | 4GB Crucial DDR3 1333 RAM at 1600 w/8-7-7-18 timings | GTS 250 512MB OC'd | $470 Total price of entire system.
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El-capitan and ComputerNovice, you are talking about two different things.

El capitan is talking about using two DDR3 RAM sticks in an i7, which would be fine. ComputerNovice thought you meant use DDR2 RAM, which Im not sure would even boot in an x58 system.

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Message edited by dndhatcher on 09-28-2009 at 02:32:01 PM
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dndhatcher wrote :

El-capitan and ComputerNovice, you are talking about two different things.

El capitan is talking about using two DDR3 RAM sticks in an i7, which would be fine. ComputerNovice thought you meant use DDR2 RAM, which Im not sure would even boot in an x58 system.


You wouldn't be able to fit it in without sanding down the slot. The modules are keyed differently.

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Here's a update for everyone whos been keeping up with this thread and helping me chose parts for my i7 920 build. Basically I've got almost everything I need at this point now and on Friday I'll be ordering a new HD and a new HSF


Message edited by ComputerNovice on 09-30-2009 at 04:16:46 AM
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Alright guys, this Friday I'm going to be ordering a GPU and a HSF finally...

Anyways though do you guys think I should go with the pretty new Radeon HD 5850 ? It got great reviews so far but I just wanna ask what you guys think.

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Im hoping to get a 5850 for XMAS. It looks to me like a great value and has some good reviews.

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OOOOO the 5850s are actually out now. Nice, I missed that. Anyway, the 5850 should last a nice long time, and can xFire, particularly when the prices come down. You mentioned that you had up to $300 for the GPU, so I would recommend the 5850, a good buy by anyone's standards right now. The reviews have been solid for it. And I think you mentioned the Hanns 28, which is native at 19x12.

Here is the Tom's review of the 5850. If you look through the article you can see how the 5850 performed at that native resolution. http://www.tomshardware.com/review [...] ,2433.html

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Once again guys thanks for your help, I'm about 80 percent or so sure I'm going to end up buying the 5850. After I get that I plan to go ahead and buy a couple of really nice Harddrives

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I also just ordered the AsRock x58 Extreme. Any update? I am curious as to how it is. I read a comment from 5 days ago on youtube about the board not having any Windows 7 drivers. Have you heard anything about that? Nice build and good luck.

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Yeah I am upgrading my 4870 to a 5850. It should be here Tuesday so I'll try and let you know thoughts on it. Although there are already pages and pages of professional write ups haha. Seems better bang for the dollar than the 5870 to me.

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zach538467 wrote :

Yeah I am upgrading my 4870 to a 5850. It should be here Tuesday so I'll try and let you know thoughts on it. Although there are already pages and pages of professional write ups haha. Seems better bang for the dollar than the 5870 to me.


Yeah I'm most likely going to buy a 5850 as well, and even though there are already quite a few other write ups about them I'd still like to here your opinion on the card as well.

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ComputerNovice wrote :

Yeah I'm most likely going to buy a 5850 as well, and even though there are already quite a few other write ups about them I'd still like to here your opinion on the card as well.



I'd love to be able to get a 5870x2 in January when I buy my i7-920 build, but I want to wait and see how the benchmarks of the 5870x2 compare to two 5850's in Crossfire. I would think the 5870x2 single GPU would still outperform the two 5850's, but the benchmarks will be an interesting read to see.

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Hey man, downloading the drivers now, only thing I've noticed so far, it is much heavier than the 4870:) Almost exactly the same length. Here's a couple pics, I'll write more later after I play with it. Sorry they are so big.

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Well after playing with it all I can say is wow! It is much faster than the 4870, no microstutter at all! I DEFINITELY noticed a big improvement in synthetic tests. Played Crysis on very high at 1920x1080 easy! 3DMARK 06 score went from 17,300 to a whopping 22,000!! Crazy...so far its all good! I think I'm in love!

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Thanks for letting me know what you thought of the 5850 I'm gonna buy it next Fri now

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And that's only the 5850 :D

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Hopefully I'm satisfied enough and I won't buy a 5890/GT300 when they are released...probably not:)


Message edited by zach538467 on 10-08-2009 at 02:58:11 PM
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Hey Novice, I was wondering how you're making out with your custom build? I'm putting together my plans for my i7 920 build, and wanted to know if your wrig was set up. I think I'm going to go with some of the parts you used, including the X58 mobo, and the Radeon HD 5850 GPU. I'm trying to hold off until Black Friday to do all my purchasing.

BTW, if its not too much, when you are all finished with your system, could you list the parts you used, and what it ended up costing you? Thanks in advance!

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real world wrote :

Hey Novice, I was wondering how you're making out with your custom build? I'm putting together my plans for my i7 920 build, and wanted to know if your wrig was set up. I think I'm going to go with some of the parts you used, including the X58 mobo, and the Radeon HD 5850 GPU. I'm trying to hold off until Black Friday to do all my purchasing.

BTW, if its not too much, when you are all finished with your system, could you list the parts you used, and what it ended up costing you? Thanks in advance!


I actually ended up buying the ATI 4890 to be honest with you. The exact model I ended up buying was the HIS Turbo OC+ 1Gb Model, I wanted to buy the 5850 but by the time I got my paycheck newegg was sold out of them... Sad part is that now the price of the 5850's has gone up. So sadly I don't think they are really worth the extra 100 bucks over the Turbo OC+ HIS 4890 card you can buy for only 189.99 on newegg but that's just my opinion. If they ever go back down to 259 or 269.99 again I'll buy it in a heart beat but I just don't wanna pay 300 for a GPU, i know it seems silly considering I mostly buy all gaming parts. But the truth is I'd rather just use a 4890 for now since they are great cards and are currently worth it when you compare dollars to performance ratio's.

As for the rest of my parts I'll gladly let you know what all I ended up using. Also incase you where wondering I have really been enjoying using my i7 build, I'm really happy I didn't decide to try to save a few bucks by doing a AMD build. The truth is that this i7 build is a really fast system by my standards. Although I'm not totally done building it technically since I still plan to buy a new Power Supply unit sometime in the next couple weeks and I also plan to buy another HIS 4890 and the 40Gb Kingston SSD for under 100 bucks that is coming out here within the next few days.

But as for now the only parts I haven't updated with pictures are my HIS 4890 GPU and my 640Gb Western Digital Harddrive that I bought along with my copy of Windows 7 Home premium I bought :)

I was able to re-use my two ASUS DVD-RW _ CD-RW but if you plug in the average cost for two DVD/cd rw combo drives then the total amount of money I spent on my build including my Windows 7 Home Premium FULL edition was just under 1200 bucks ($1184.33). That includes shipping and everything.


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