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Anonymous   05-27-2005 at 12:23:03 AM
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Pooh Bear wrote:
> Kevin Aylward wrote:
>
>> hank alrich wrote:
>>> Agent 86 wrote:
>>>
>>>> Another reference to Kevin's imaginary mic preamp. If you've not
>>>> seen the threads on that subject, try to look for them. Then maybe
>>>> it'll all make sense.
>>>
>>> While the simulated preamp has very low noise, it also has very low
>>> output, as in none, so the noise to signal ratio is significant.
>>
>> The papers were a technical design exercise, showing the strengths
>> and weakness of some typical approaches. They are not a construction
>> project.
>
> < snip bullshit >
>
> Have you looked at TI's PGA2500 ?

You pointed me to ths before. Its quite a nice part.

>I'm sure it would appeal to you.
>

Why?


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Pooh Bear wrote:
> Phildo wrote:
>
> < snip >
>
>> Maybe guitar amp manufacturers should think about making monitor
>> wedges to be powered from guitar amps in place of the main speaker
>> cabs?
>
> That's a damn fine idea actually ! I would suggest in *addition*
> rather than replace. You'll never replace the comfort factor of a
> 4x12 !

Or to remind one once again, this local band http://www.expos-e.co.uk/,
whose guitar player is at http://www.jibbering-wreck.com/, uses 4 of
4x12.


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Michael   05-26-2005 at 11:41:51 PM
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In article <4295FC4E.D7760681@hotmail.com>,
rabbitsfriendsandrelations@hotmail.com says...
>
> Phildo wrote:
>
> < snip >
>
> > Maybe guitar amp manufacturers should think about making monitor wedges to
> > be powered from guitar amps in place of the main speaker cabs?
>
> That's a damn fine idea actually ! I would suggest in *addition* rather than
> replace. You'll never replace the comfort factor of a 4x12 !

Oh, no. That's the whole *point* of the exercise: to LOWER
the volume level by using less speakers and pointing them at
the guitarist's head so that he can actually hear them for once.
--
---Michael (of APP)...
http://www.soundclick.com/bands/6/ [...] tmusic.htm

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Anonymous   05-27-2005 at 01:28:31 AM
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Erich wrote:

> Watts on guitar amps don't mean much. Ever heard a Matchless 30W?
> They get screaming stoopid loud. The guy I played with ran his in 15W
> mode and he was still screaming stoopid loud--- with GREAT tone.

Very effective no doubt.

As has been mentioned elsewhere - speaker cones for guitar amps are
designed to give that *tone* colouration.

If they breakup at 15-30W it's a lot more manageable than the pair of
4x12s ! Your hearing may also live to see another day too..

Grahm

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Anonymous   05-27-2005 at 01:42:27 AM
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Michael wrote:

> In article <4295FC4E.D7760681@hotmail.com>,
> rabbitsfriendsandrelations@hotmail.com says...
> >
> > Phildo wrote:
> >
> > < snip >
> >
> > > Maybe guitar amp manufacturers should think about making monitor wedges to
> > > be powered from guitar amps in place of the main speaker cabs?
> >
> > That's a damn fine idea actually ! I would suggest in *addition* rather than
> > replace. You'll never replace the comfort factor of a 4x12 !
>
> Oh, no. That's the whole *point* of the exercise: to LOWER
> the volume level by using less speakers and pointing them at
> the guitarist's head so that he can actually hear them for once.

Yes - I know that - but try explaining it to a guitarist ! ;-)

The monitor wedge in front of them will at least have half a chance of getting
them to turn down by giving them a direct sound source.

There's the 'cosmetics' of the back line to consider too. You don't have any cred
as a guitarist if you don't have an amp behind you.

Graham

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Anonymous   05-27-2005 at 01:50:27 AM
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Kevin Aylward wrote:

> Pooh Bear wrote:
> > Kevin Aylward wrote:
> >
> >> hank alrich wrote:
> >>> Agent 86 wrote:
> >>>
> >>>> Another reference to Kevin's imaginary mic preamp. If you've not
> >>>> seen the threads on that subject, try to look for them. Then maybe
> >>>> it'll all make sense.
> >>>
> >>> While the simulated preamp has very low noise, it also has very low
> >>> output, as in none, so the noise to signal ratio is significant.
> >>
> >> The papers were a technical design exercise, showing the strengths
> >> and weakness of some typical approaches. They are not a construction
> >> project.
> >
> > < snip bullshit >
> >
> > Have you looked at TI's PGA2500 ?
>
> You pointed me to ths before. Its quite a nice part.
>
> >I'm sure it would appeal to you.
>
> Why?

It's an IC for one thing. It also looks to be a very elegant design.

Graham

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Anonymous   05-27-2005 at 02:46:52 AM
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Mike Rivers wrote:
> How did this get into a thread about loudspeakers? I guess it's
> everywhere!!!! Must be a virus.
>
>
> In article <mRhle.820$g12.433@fe3.news.blueyonder.co.uk>
> see_website@anasoft.co.uk writes:
>
>> If you have a look at the Hardy M1 mic preamp
>> (http://www.johnhardyco.com/products.html), you will see that is
>> just a few components strung around a 101 EE op-amp circuit using
>> the 990.
>>
>> In my opinion, even the electronic laymen soundmen here could have
>> come up with such a "design" from reading app notes. Seriously. Have
>> a look at the design, then tell me that John Hardy is a real
>> designer based on that circuit.
>
> Take a look at the things you can't see in the schematic - the power
> supply, the EMI consideration, the mechanical design, the input
> attenuator, the metering . . . . Those are all things that matter to
> the user, if not to the designer of the components that go into the
> box.

No one is denying that they may be some other useful facilities, but my
point is all down to the huge cost and return on that investment. One
only has to look at the price of a Behringr 24 channel desk to
appreciate this.

>
> Oh, and that's Dean Jensen. Let's treat the departed with respect.

Why? They don't care.

"It is but an empty shell, dispose of it as you wish" - Clingon

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Anonymous   05-27-2005 at 01:50:28 AM
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Pooh Bear wrote:
> Kevin Aylward wrote:
>
>> Pooh Bear wrote:
>>> Kevin Aylward wrote:
>>>
>>>> hank alrich wrote:
>>>>> Agent 86 wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Another reference to Kevin's imaginary mic preamp. If you've not
>>>>>> seen the threads on that subject, try to look for them. Then
>>>>>> maybe it'll all make sense.
>>>>>
>>>>> While the simulated preamp has very low noise, it also has very
>>>>> low output, as in none, so the noise to signal ratio is
>>>>> significant.
>>>>
>>>> The papers were a technical design exercise, showing the strengths
>>>> and weakness of some typical approaches. They are not a
>>>> construction project.
>>>
>>> < snip bullshit >
>>>
>>> Have you looked at TI's PGA2500 ?
>>
>> You pointed me to ths before. Its quite a nice part.
>>
>>> I'm sure it would appeal to you.
>>
>> Why?
>
> It's an IC for one thing. It also looks to be a very elegant design.
>

I just find that rising distortion at low signals to be a bit
irritating. I would like to know why.


Kevin Aylward
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Anonymous   05-27-2005 at 12:13:18 AM
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"Ron(UK)" <ron@lunevalleyaudio.com> wrote in message
news:d74oc4$gi$1@nwrdmz03.dmz.ncs.ea.ibs-infra.bt.com...
>> Maybe guitar amp manufacturers should think about making monitor wedges
to
>> be powered from guitar amps in place of the main speaker cabs? Guitarists
>> would be able to hear themselves, stage volume would come down, FOH bleed
>> would be reduced and they will have something else to put their feet on
>> during their widdly solo moments.
>>
>> Phildo
> Jon who plays guitar with EK2 does just that, guitar/pod/poweramp/monitor
> wedge
>
Sounds like a sensible man.

Maybe companies like Marshall should start thinking about making cabs that
can be used as wedges?

I used to work with a female bass player who had one of those little hartke
wedge shaped bass amps. She just put it out front next to her main wedge and
that was all she ever needed. Never any problems with excessive bass sound
from the stage.

Phildo

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Anonymous   05-27-2005 at 03:46:32 AM
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On 5/26/05 1:13 PM, in article 3fmr12F8in55U2@individual.net, "Phildo"
<Phil@phildo.net> wrote:

>
> "Ron(UK)" <ron@lunevalleyaudio.com> wrote in message
> news:d74oc4$gi$1@nwrdmz03.dmz.ncs.ea.ibs-infra.bt.com...
>>> Maybe guitar amp manufacturers should think about making monitor wedges
> to
>>> be powered from guitar amps in place of the main speaker cabs? Guitarists
>>> would be able to hear themselves, stage volume would come down, FOH bleed
>>> would be reduced and they will have something else to put their feet on
>>> during their widdly solo moments.
>>>
>>> Phildo
>> Jon who plays guitar with EK2 does just that, guitar/pod/poweramp/monitor
>> wedge
>>
> Sounds like a sensible man.
>
> Maybe companies like Marshall should start thinking about making cabs that
> can be used as wedges?

These have existed for some time... Seen em... Don;t know if they were sound
company-specific or what.
>
> I used to work with a female bass player who had one of those little hartke
> wedge shaped bass amps. She just put it out front next to her main wedge and
> that was all she ever needed. Never any problems with excessive bass sound
> from the stage.


Lukather seems to have had this for a while with small-cube single 12 guitar
boxes ... Pix 1/2 way down the page at

http://www.stevelukather.net/Gear.aspx

"Speaker cabinets: left and right cabinets for stereo (VHT stereo effects)
sounds, centre cabinet for dry clean amp (VHT classic power) sound.
According to Geoff Banks there are Peavy speakers in the cabinets.
Microphones: 3x Shure KSM-32-studio-microphone. "


As a recently-rvived EG player, I have found the WDITOT* improvement of
Weber Beam-Blockers over gaffer's tape, and the sheer JOY of having 40w thru
an inefficient 2-10 sealed guitar cabinet mounted on a tall amp-stand
VERTICALLY bringing the top speaker up to sternum-height and pointed at my
head... Proving viscerally that the previous years' encouragement-as-FOH-guy
for guitarists on stage toi have amps UP and AIMEd at themselves was not
just self-serving prattle but artistically rewarding. Mostly this is in
vocal-PA-on-Sticks gigs and the amp has to serve as onstage-and-crowd power
as well.

(* Why Didn't I Think Of That)

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Anonymous   05-27-2005 at 02:46:53 AM
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In article <s4ple.136572$Cq2.50408@fe2.news.blueyonder.co.uk> see_website@anasoft.co.uk writes:

> No one is denying that they may be some other useful facilities, but my
> point is all down to the huge cost and return on that investment.

Parts are cheap. Nobody's disagreeing that a $15 IC op amp can be a
darn fine sounding piece. It's putting them into the box that costs
the money.

> One
> only has to look at the price of a Behringr 24 channel desk to
> appreciate this.

If one only looks at the price, then one gets what he deserves. Those
certainly have their place. I bought a couple of them to put in a
demonstration system when I needed a mixer fast that had a mic input
and a couple of line inputs, and wasn't going to be used in a studio.
It did a fine job. I might even be tempted to use it as a front end
for my Jukebox 3 recorder. But it just wouldn't fly in my studio. My
clients would disappear.


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Phildo wrote:

> "Ron(UK)" <ron@lunevalleyaudio.com> wrote in message
> news:d74oc4$gi$1@nwrdmz03.dmz.ncs.ea.ibs-infra.bt.com...
> >> Maybe guitar amp manufacturers should think about making monitor wedges
> to
>
>>>be powered from guitar amps in place of the main speaker cabs? Guitarists
>>>would be able to hear themselves, stage volume would come down, FOH bleed
>>>would be reduced and they will have something else to put their feet on
>>>during their widdly solo moments.
>>>
>>>Phildo
>>
>>Jon who plays guitar with EK2 does just that, guitar/pod/poweramp/monitor
>>wedge
>>
>
> Sounds like a sensible man.
>
> Maybe companies like Marshall should start thinking about making cabs that
> can be used as wedges?
>
> I used to work with a female bass player who had one of those little hartke
> wedge shaped bass amps. She just put it out front next to her main wedge and
> that was all she ever needed. Never any problems with excessive bass sound
> from the stage.
>
> Phildo
>
>

The Kiss guitarist Ace Frehley had one downstage center running off a
Marshall head about 1980

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Anonymous   05-27-2005 at 07:41:19 AM
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> Kevin Aylward wrote:
>> shannon wrote:
>>>
>>>There is a real microphone preamp designer that posts here.
>>>http://www.johnhardyco.com/
>>
>>
>> Oh... hey listen up mate. The 990 is an opamp designed by, now get this,
>> Deane Jenson of Jenson transformers, not John Hardy.
>>
Wow, someone that actually designed a preamp instead of just claiming he
designed one when someone else's name appears on the blueprints.

Phildo

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Anonymous   05-28-2005 at 04:36:07 AM
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Ron(UK) wrote:

>
> Maybe shannon can clarify
>
> Ron
>

Deane Jensen died 16 years ago his preamp design is still being
manufactured by John Hardy.

;-)

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Sam   06-01-2005 at 05:33:40 AM
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"Erich" <littlegreenman68@yahoo.com> escribió en el mensaje
news:1117127777.511833.31710@g49g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
> Watts on guitar amps don't mean much. Ever heard a Matchless 30W?
> They get screaming stoopid loud. The guy I played with ran his in 15W
> mode and he was still screaming stoopid loud--- with GREAT tone.
>
> Erich
>

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