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max wrote:
>
> I'm sure I'll get some commentary on the D112 but in the price range I
> was shopping it was a good value. I understand a lot people prefer the
> Shure (is it Beta 52??) for BD so maybe I'll be looking into those in
> the future.
>

I own a D112 and find it just fine, when properly placed and used through a proper preamp.

My friend has the Beta 52 in his live rig and we did a show recently and I had a chance to crank
that baby up in the BD (a monster 24" Yamah World Studio Kit kick, 5 ply maple) and it was sweet. I
couldn't do a side by side, but I would say having a 52 as well as the 112 is not such a bad thing.
You need variety because one mic may not be the "sound" you're looking for in a given song.

I mean, we're talking matching mic pres to mics here, too, right? This goes in tandem with getting
the right mic for the sound you're capturing, whether live or in the studio. So the 52 would work
very well in the studio, I think.

--fletch

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Ty Ford wrote:
> Well Hartley Peavy knew a few things about that. I have heard recording with
> SM58 and an old peavey board that were truly great.
>

Oh, yeah. I agree. I had an opportunity to work on one of his Mark VIII boards in 1990 just after
they came out. What a quiet console, and very well laid out for an eight buss live rig. It was
really fun.

--fletch

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On 8/19/05 7:18 AM, in article
58OdnZ2dnZ2ZbBS5nZ2dnXcimN6dnZ2dRVn-052dnZ0@comcast.com, "Ty Ford"
<tyreeford@comcast.net> wrote:

> I've been asked on many occasions to write a article or 1000 on which mics
> mate better with which preamps. That project is right in line after putting
> all of my vinyl on CD. :)

Oil Painting Class:
"So, which colors work best with which brushes?"

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> Oil Painting Class:
> "So, which colors work best with which brushes?"

Granted. But it's legitimate to ask which brushes work best with oil vs.
latex vs. whatever. The answer may still be "It's a matter of how you
prefer to work", but at least the differences and interactions are
meaningful and roughly definable.

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> I would say having a 52 as well as the 112 is not such a bad thing.

Yeah I'd consider something like that. Do you ever use the D112 to mic
a bass guitar amp?

max

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Joe Kesselman <keshlam-nospam@comcast.net> wrote:
>> Oil Painting Class:
>> "So, which colors work best with which brushes?"
>
>Granted. But it's legitimate to ask which brushes work best with oil vs.
>latex vs. whatever. The answer may still be "It's a matter of how you
>prefer to work", but at least the differences and interactions are
>meaningful and roughly definable.

I thought everyone just used purple metalflake spray?
--scott


Honey, I had some paint left over in the drum so I shot all the kitchen
cabinets.... hope you like purple metalflake...
--
"C'est un Nagra. C'est suisse, et tres, tres precis."

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>
> Bright isn't necessarily better.
>
> Beware of the 'Oh Wow' factor.
>
> 1. Oh Wow! These new condenser mics sound great.
> 2. Oh Wow! Hmm, they make everything I record sound so shiny.
> 3. Oh Wow! Ya know, after listening for a few minutes, I don't want to
listen
> to these tracks because they are edgy and fatiguing.
> 4. Oh Wow! I guess I'll go back to what I was using.
> 5. Oh Wow! Wanna by some really nice used mics?
>
> Regards,
>
> Ty Ford


Funny, I keep listening over and over again (despite the orchestra's
performance) to the Danbury Symphony Orchestra recordings I made during a
rehearsal in June, because it is the sweetest,
nothing-gets-between-the-music-and-me recording I've ever heard, and it was
recorded with condenser mics. Six of them. The smoothness, the detail, the
utter lack of hiss, were all an amazing event unfolding before my ears. I
never fatigue of hearing that recording, despite the French horns being a
little out of tune that evening and some of the violins being less than
tight on the tempo.


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Best Regards,

Mark A. Weiss, P.E.
www.mwcomms.com
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Scott Dorsey wrote:
> Honey, I had some paint left over in the drum so I shot all the kitchen
> cabinets.... hope you like purple metalflake...

<grin/> With chrome trim, of course. I can just see it....

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On Sat, 20 Aug 2005 02:07:12 -0400, Mark & Mary Ann Weiss wrote
(in article <kMzNe.362$I93.58@newsread2.news.atl.earthlink.net> ):

>
>>
>> Bright isn't necessarily better.
>>
>> Beware of the 'Oh Wow' factor.
>>
>> 1. Oh Wow! These new condenser mics sound great.
>> 2. Oh Wow! Hmm, they make everything I record sound so shiny.
>> 3. Oh Wow! Ya know, after listening for a few minutes, I don't want to
> listen
>> to these tracks because they are edgy and fatiguing.
>> 4. Oh Wow! I guess I'll go back to what I was using.
>> 5. Oh Wow! Wanna by some really nice used mics?
>>
>> Regards,
>>
>> Ty Ford
>
>
> Funny, I keep listening over and over again (despite the orchestra's
> performance) to the Danbury Symphony Orchestra recordings I made during a
> rehearsal in June, because it is the sweetest,
> nothing-gets-between-the-music-and-me recording I've ever heard, and it was
> recorded with condenser mics. Six of them. The smoothness, the detail, the
> utter lack of hiss, were all an amazing event unfolding before my ears. I
> never fatigue of hearing that recording, despite the French horns being a
> little out of tune that evening and some of the violins being less than
> tight on the tempo.
>
Mark,

You may have missed the point. I was referring specifically to the ocean of
(mainly) Chinese knockoff mics that have been flooding this country for the
last five years.

Your personal mileage may vary.

Ty Ford



-- Ty Ford's equipment reviews, audio samples, rates and other audiocentric
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On Fri, 19 Aug 2005 17:18:46 -0400, SSJVCmag wrote
(in article <BF2BC4F5.F252%ten@nozirev.gamnocssj.com> ):

> On 8/19/05 7:18 AM, in article
> 58OdnZ2dnZ2ZbBS5nZ2dnXcimN6dnZ2dRVn-052dnZ0@comcast.com, "Ty Ford"
> <tyreeford@comcast.net> wrote:
>
>> I've been asked on many occasions to write a article or 1000 on which mics
>> mate better with which preamps. That project is right in line after putting
>> all of my vinyl on CD. :)
>
> Oil Painting Class:
> "So, which colors work best with which brushes?"
>
>
>

thanks for my first chuckle of the day.

Ty

-- Ty Ford's equipment reviews, audio samples, rates and other audiocentric
stuff are at www.tyford.com

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> Mark,
>
> You may have missed the point. I was referring specifically to the ocean
of
> (mainly) Chinese knockoff mics that have been flooding this country for
the
> last five years.
>
> Your personal mileage may vary.
>
> Ty Ford

Not all of them are bad. Recently, someone tested some Octavia knockoffs and
found them to be comparable, and in some ways, better, than the original,
and in other ways not quite as good, but overall, about equal.
When I started cautiously testing the B-1s, I did so with a prejudice
against Behringer. However, after listening to them again and again, I just
couldn't find anything to substantiate my claims that they should sound like
junk, and not like my Shure KSM32s.
After that humbling experience (and glad I wasn't too public with my rants
against Behringer four years ago), I made some economic choices, sold some
of my precious studio condenser mics and bought all new DAW software and
hardware and a full compliment of B-1s with the difference.
From now on, I listen carefully to the product before I lambaste it.


--
Best Regards,

Mark A. Weiss, P.E.
www.mwcomms.com
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Mark & Mary Ann Weiss <mweissX294@earthlink.net> wrote:
>
>Not all of them are bad. Recently, someone tested some Octavia knockoffs and
>found them to be comparable, and in some ways, better, than the original,
>and in other ways not quite as good, but overall, about equal.

I tested the new Chinese Oktava "knockoffs" and I would not say they were
as good as the production from the real Oktava factory in Tula. I can't
discuss why yet, but let me say that the attempt to copy the capsule was
not good.

>When I started cautiously testing the B-1s, I did so with a prejudice
>against Behringer. However, after listening to them again and again, I just
>couldn't find anything to substantiate my claims that they should sound like
>junk, and not like my Shure KSM32s.
>After that humbling experience (and glad I wasn't too public with my rants
>against Behringer four years ago), I made some economic choices, sold some
>of my precious studio condenser mics and bought all new DAW software and
>hardware and a full compliment of B-1s with the difference.

The B-1 is typical of the 797 microphones. I'm not as impressed with it
as you seem to be, but it's better than a lot of the Chinese products.

>From now on, I listen carefully to the product before I lambaste it.

Absolutely. There are some occasional winners out there, and some occasional
losers too.
--scott
--
"C'est un Nagra. C'est suisse, et tres, tres precis."

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On Sat, 20 Aug 2005 17:13:37 -0400, Mark & Mary Ann Weiss wrote
(in article <52NNe.7163$RZ2.6653@newsread3.news.atl.earthlink.net> ):

>
> Not all of them are bad. Recently, someone tested some Octavia knockoffs and
> found them to be comparable, and in some ways, better, than the original,
> and in other ways not quite as good, but overall, about equal.
> When I started cautiously testing the B-1s, I did so with a prejudice
> against Behringer. However, after listening to them again and again, I just
> couldn't find anything to substantiate my claims that they should sound like
> junk, and not like my Shure KSM32s.
> After that humbling experience (and glad I wasn't too public with my rants
> against Behringer four years ago), I made some economic choices, sold some
> of my precious studio condenser mics and bought all new DAW software and
> hardware and a full compliment of B-1s with the difference.
> From now on, I listen carefully to the product before I lambaste it.
>

I'm happy you're happy. My experience has been different.

Ty



-- Ty Ford's equipment reviews, audio samples, rates and other audiocentric
stuff are at www.tyford.com

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