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Think on this you Dell losers.

My aren't we hateful? The entire time I was reading your post I was waiting for a "Go Mac" rant. Thank god it never came.

There will always be a market for Dell and gateway because there are just too many people out there that just don't have the time, patience or knowledge to put together their own system.

Personally, I have 2 Dell desktops and 2 Dell laptops in my family and have never had an issue with them. Dell support has always been there for us and has always resolved our issues. This was also before my parents trusted me to build my own system without screwing something up.

Would I ever buy another system from Dell or any other OEM? Unless it's a laptop the answer is most likely no. I know the benefits of building my own and will probably do so for myself or my family should they need a system.

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Dell is a good brand for everyone looking for a PC fast and don't know how to build their own.

Building your own computer is ALWAYS ALWAYS better if you know how to. It is better in quality and cheaper in price, there is no comparison here. Also, for people who wants to build an "optimum" computer I don't think you can find any brand who gives you something that YOU want.

Reply to yabyab

OK I dont know how many of you actually know anything about computers, but crazyhorse can drop the horse part of his name...and the guy who agreed with him can check in to the looney bin as well...DELL computers suck ass. As a computer technician, I can tell you of many horror stories my clients have had with DELL's, HP's and Compaq's are probably worse, but DELL's are crap. They do use Intel AND intel based motherboards, but they are usually proprietary, and wont work in a non-DELL application(it needs to be in a DELL case or it needs to be run with a DELL version of XP or VISTA, something like that I'm not sure) DELL likes to have those MB's made without features they think you wont miss, to save money. Look at it like this, for $499. you get the complete system with a 19" LCD monitor, printer, keyboard, mouse, free upgrade to a 2nd gig of ram, DVD/R-RW CD/R-RW, XP or Vista...Most people know that any mid-quality 19"LCD monitor that isnt a P.O.S. runs about $189, Michael Dell doesnt manufacture monitors he has them made for him, a mid-quality printer runs about $40-$70 including half-full ink cartridges, the "free" 2nd gig of ram probably about $60 nowadays, but ram prices have only dropped in the past year, before that ram was more than $100 per gig, in fact it was more like $100 per 512 mb. CD/DVD R-RW is still around $75, so lets add these things up...189+55+60+75=379 OK Dell is a businessman who buys in large volume and gets a rather nice discount, but it has to be reasonable! Not like the larger than reasonable cuts he was getting from Intel on the cpu's so they wouldnt use AMD cpu's, but thats another story...So lets say Dell gets a 40% cut off the top of the costs of these components for buying in bulk, that is now $227.40. Now figure in the OS License, that has to be at least $70 per, the case, $30?, back up to $327.40. OK I'll go lowballing here and give a 300GB harddrive for $80, so the sub-total now is $407.40. We havent factored in the CPU, motherboard, mouse, keyboard, bundled software...for the remaining ninety-two-sixty, how damn cheap do these last things need to be to get to you for 500 bucks?!?!?! CHEAP components is how Dell offers such a deal, I dont believe you can find a comparably **** motherboard on a computer store shelf. Most people I know who build their own systems INVARIABLY prefer AMD cpu's. And an emphatic NO WAY are home built computers of a lesser quality than prebuilt computers. The competition in the motherboard market is on the shelves of the computer stores, not in the pre-built computers. There are more features on more boards on the shelves than you will find in 85% of the pre-built proprietary MB's. I could talk tech all damn day, so Im going to stop now, but I wanted to set some of those misconceptions I read straight...

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syndrome1965 wrote :

OK I dont know how many of you actually know anything about computers, but crazyhorse can drop the horse part of his name...and the guy who agreed with him can check in to the looney bin as well...DELL computers suck ass.

Not necessary....at all. That is their opinion and the are entitled to it and unlike you, they didn't make fun of anyone for it. The first part (about tech knowledge) may be true, but it is not a prerequisite of being part of these forums.

syndrome1965 wrote :

They do use Intel AND intel based motherboards, but they are usually proprietary, and wont work in a non-DELL application(it needs to be in a DELL case or it needs to be run with a DELL version of XP or VISTA, something like that I'm not sure)

Yes and no. They are Intel based boards, but some are manufactured by reputable companies (i.e. Foxconn). As to the needing to be in Dell stuff, that depends. I have a Dimension 4700 (it's over 3 years old and still kicking) and it uses a non proprietary mATX board. Meaning I can stick that motherboard in any micro ATX case I want. My brother is using a non Dell version of XP on his Dell and it works, so no.

syndrome1965 wrote :

DELL likes to have those MB's made without features they think you wont miss, to save money. ...... There are more features on more boards on the shelves than you will find in 85% of the pre-built proprietary MB's. I could talk tech all damn day, so Im going to stop now, but I wanted to set some of those misconceptions I read straight...

The low end Dell's do lack some features or have others disabled, manly in regards to controlling the FSB. Dell is not the only company to do this though. It is done so that the user (most aren't tech savy) can't go in, screw something up and then complain to Dell that their system no longer works.

As to the AMD comments, Dell now uses AMD CPU's so that point (if there was one) is moot. The people you know who build systems with AMD are most likely doing it to save money and aren't looking for power. It's fairly obvious that AMD mobos are cheaper than Intel and Nvidia boards so from a cost standpoint, it's a decent one.

Message edited by lostandwandering on 02-05-2008 at 10:08:49 PM

dell are great for reliability as you can be assured that it wont break down within a week like some other computers. i dont like it because they dont allow much choice for choosing parts. also, they get way too expensive withh th higher end models. for a casual user, dells are fine. but they cant be upgraded easily or much, so they will get old quickly. i like pcspecialist as there is a lot more choice in the parts. it's like you're building it yourself, but without all the hassle of seeing if parts work together or having to do it yourself. plus they give guarantees!

Reply to RN321

I wouldn't be so antidell my work have around 800 dells and there running fine . The only beef i have is the shortcuts they take! the power supplies are all TERRIBLE i've seen so many cause problems its really annoying. There motherboards are also pretty poor quality.

Around the budget market Dell are one of the best, but if your going to go prebuilt i would have to agree with ITsolution, find a smaler company and get it customized to your need. They tend to sell cut less corners.

Reply to acidpython

I love my Dell... sure it came with craplets, but all I had to do was use the Windows recovery disc to get rid of it. And I hear the PSU it came with is really good. The motherboard does suck though since it's BTX.

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Reading all these i guess all depends on the expienece you get form the machine , if it has problems then ppl gonna bash it otherwise gonna praise it .

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Reply to lolitha

lolitha wrote :

Reading all these i guess all depends on the expienece you get form the machine , if it has problems then ppl gonna bash it otherwise gonna praise it .

Also keep in mind that people are more likely to write a review of a bad experience then a good one. So for every negative review out there there are probably 2 positive ones not written.

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lostandwandering wrote :

Also keep in mind that people are more likely to write a review of a bad experience then a good one. So for every negative review out there there are probably 2 positive ones not written.

yeah and also most people are comparing dell desktops than their dell laptops, As i know dell makes quality laptops but i haven't used them so far because lots of people goes to dell for laptops .

Reply to lolitha

Dell (desktops) are for housewives and people who don't know and/or dont care about computers. They are happy surfing the web, and paying 20% more for thier system. It has it's place in the world.

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Reply to ocguy31

Dell use Foxconn powersupplies and motherboards....

I have bought loads of foxconn motherboards and at around the year and a bit mark they have gone wrong ...

using cheap capacitors and components are not good..

CRAP....

Dells laptops are either Compal or Foxconn ..... Mmmmm quality ......

I personally hate every Dell PC thats been made in black... The white / cream ones had at least some sort of quality...

The Dell market has ruined all the decent pc system builders out there by flogging dog turds to the unsuspected public which pulls a software mountain that is bigger than Russia...at a the same cost of a hamster in Petsmart

If I want a Antivirus i dont want Norton or McAfee installed, I want to choose the option i want and what i want. Not uninstall 30 pieces of software which monitor every dump i take.. I dont want AOL, Tiscali, or what ever poxy ISP is licking mr M Dells but for money, I want to used my existing broadband for what I want to do and not Mr Dells prefered supplier.

I dont want to spend 1 hour getting a 8.4 gb DVD at £3/$6 each and then comming home to write a system disk which takes nearly two hours due to the fact that it verifies the disk twice because of the cheap dvd bulk discount dvd writer it had and then Dell says its good for the enviroment and it makes the computer available for 5 bucks...

I dont want to speak to a padantic person a million miles away on a small town which is unprenounciable who only interested on hows the weather and how my day is doing, and calling me Mr "first name ". My Day is crap because im ringing a technical for my stupid computer for which a support company situated in a portacabin....

Then they take over the machine and sell the bank details to Fraud Credit International.. no thanks...

Am I Mr Angry,,,, mmmm could be but then again how many Dell call centres have you spoken too or machines that you have repaired with custom plugs for internal USB ports and wierd floppy drive cable, power leads and internal attachments..

Even adding a second drive is something that Tom Cruise would find difficult in Impossible Mission 4

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Message edited by Hellboy on 04-21-2008 at 11:39:34 PM

Reply to Hellboy

The Black Dells rule.

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Message edited by joefriday on 04-22-2008 at 05:35:26 AM

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joefriday wrote :

The Black Dells rule.

No they dont, they suck like Monica Lewinsky.....

Reply to Harry-Plopper

Check my config. They bend to my will. I guess I rule.

Message edited by joefriday on 05-04-2008 at 04:13:41 AM

Reply to joefriday

Before I built my last system (low budget PC), I priced out Dells and HP's. That $350 entry-level Dell they're always touting is actually $450 with shipping and more if they charge taxes in your particular state. Plus it only has 1 gig of RAM, has a crappy Celeron CPU with low cache, small HD, and has cruddy onboard graphics.

Whereas for under $400 in parts from Newegg, I built a great largely ASUS system. Asus M2m-mx mainboard, AMD Athlon dual core 4000+ CPU, Maxtor 250 gig HD, Asus Nvidia 7300GT video card, Asus case, 2 gigs of RAM, Lite-on DVD writer, etc..

Maybe Dells are a better value on higher priced PC's, but not on the low end systems. Most people would probably build their own PC's if they knew how to in the first place. Because building your own has advantages -- saves money and lets you pick the exact parts you want. Even the people who don't care about the guts of the system would probably enjoy picking out their own style/color of case.

Reply to gta_bmx

never bought a prebuilt pc for myself (minus of course the laptop but then again a bare bones kit after adding my stuff it truly is worth buying prebuilt from Acer in my case). my ex on the other hand both of her computers have been dells (we're still friends after we broke up so I help her a lot with her comp stuff) her first dell was this POS celeron with 128MB of ram and a 20GB HD that she had for years. when that bit the dust I was trying to convince her dad to let me build her next one but NO it had to be dell. she got a 19 inch LCD monitor 1GB RAM 160GB HD DVD burner an X2 3800 and integrated graphics for $699. I remember thinking the whole time jesus christ with some creativity I could get a 19 inch LCD for about $170 and then calculating she spent $800 after tax on her dell that would have left me 630 for a tower I could have blown away what she has now but of course her father is of the OH it's a name brand it's better than any homebuilt bent.

as far as I'm concerned with component prices dropping like a rock there is no reason to buy dell or any other PC makers pre built desktop ever. laptops I can say sure why not cause you can build barebones but it is truly a PITA to do so. in conclusion I'll never ever reccommend prebuilt to anybody that I know seeing as with the prices I can get I can build a better machine for the money.

Message edited by overclockingrocks on 05-04-2008 at 08:22:12 PM

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Reply to overclockingrocks

I'm Playing Crysis on my 6 year old DELL 4600! With the Old AGP 8x And 478 Socket,With Yup you Guessed it PC3200 Ram, ahahaha My old Dell Has Bean a Good Slave,

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Reply to Zerk

I will never buy another Dell, let alone a pre-built PC. With today's idiot proof MOBs almost anyone could build your own! I must be getting old, because I remember when you had to SODDER things to your MOB! Now it's all labeled nice and neat for you!
I pick up old Dells at yard sales and save all the parts, for when a friend comes whining about theirs not working. I did just pick up an old Dimension 4400 for $5.00 bucks at a yard sale, replaced the PSU from my "old Dell parts" stash and it works..OK...for my kids to do their "My Space" thing on. The power switch is going bad though.
It is IMO, worth mentioning, that when I build a PC, I always go with an ASUS MOB, I just prefer them, never had any problems!

Reply to arenaria

Hellboy wrote :

Dell use Foxconn powersupplies and motherboards....

I have bought loads of foxconn motherboards and at around the year and a bit mark they have gone wrong ...

using cheap capacitors and components are not good..

CRAP....

Dells laptops are either Compal or Foxconn ..... Mmmmm quality ......

I personally hate every Dell PC thats been made in black... The white / cream ones had at least some sort of quality...

The Dell market has ruined all the decent pc system builders out there by flogging dog turds to the unsuspected public which pulls a software mountain that is bigger than Russia...at a the same cost of a hamster in Petsmart

If I want a Antivirus i dont want Norton or McAfee installed, I want to choose the option i want and what i want. Not uninstall 30 pieces of software which monitor every dump i take.. I dont want AOL, Tiscali, or what ever poxy ISP is licking mr M Dells but for money, I want to used my existing broadband for what I want to do and not Mr Dells prefered supplier.

I dont want to spend 1 hour getting a 8.4 gb DVD at £3/$6 each and then comming home to write a system disk which takes nearly two hours due to the fact that it verifies the disk twice because of the cheap dvd bulk discount dvd writer it had and then Dell says its good for the enviroment and it makes the computer available for 5 bucks...

I dont want to speak to a padantic person a million miles away on a small town which is unprenounciable who only interested on hows the weather and how my day is doing, and calling me Mr "first name ". My Day is crap because im ringing a technical for my stupid computer for which a support company situated in a portacabin....

Then they take over the machine and sell the bank details to Fraud Credit International.. no thanks...

Am I Mr Angry,,,, mmmm could be but then again how many Dell call centres have you spoken too or machines that you have repaired with custom plugs for internal USB ports and wierd floppy drive cable, power leads and internal attachments..

Even adding a second drive is something that Tom Cruise would find difficult in Impossible Mission 4

AMEN!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Reply to arenaria

I've just received my new Dell in the past week, but more on that later. I think some people need to calm down where Dell is concerned, I can agree that for any home build chances are most members here could build a higher quality, faster, cheaper PC. For many people though a Dell serves the purpose completely adequately, web browsing or whatever. Another situation where a company like Dell comes into it's own is when a business like the one I work for need to acquire 2,000 PCs. Now no-one here could suggest that it would be reasonable for an IT department of a dozen people to build 2,000 PCs. It's just not feasible.

Before you start attacking me please bear in mind that I have built every computer I have owned for the past 12 or so years. I have also built, upgraded and fixed dozens of PCs for friends and family over the years. It is with a small amount of shame then that I have recently acquired this Dell system. It is a Dell Precision T7400 workstation, specs as follows:

Intel Xeon E5440 2.83GHz quad core
4GB 667MHz DDR2 FB-DIMMs (4x1GB)
nVidia Quadro FX570 256MB
146GB 15,000rpm SAS hard drive

Sure I don't know what the motherboard is (it's a i5400 chipset) or the power supply, but really I don't care. The system is exactly as I would have spec'd it and there really was nothing in it where price was concerned. I could see myself having a headache where cooling was conerned for the FBDs on a home build. On the side of upgradability I can see no problem in the future, I have another S771 ready and 4 more memory slots free. I'll be popping in a further 4GB sooner rather than later. If anything does go wrong I can fix it myself so I didn't get raped with the warranty either. Just thought I would share that not all Dell's are inherently bad.

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Dan515 wrote :

I've just received my new Dell in the past week, but more on that later. I think some people need to calm down where Dell is concerned, I can agree that for any home build chances are most members here could build a higher quality, faster, cheaper PC. For many people though a Dell serves the purpose completely adequately, web browsing or whatever. Another situation where a company like Dell comes into it's own is when a business like the one I work for need to acquire 2,000 PCs. Now no-one here could suggest that it would be reasonable for an IT department of a dozen people to build 2,000 PCs. It's just not feasible.

Before you start attacking me please bear in mind that I have built every computer I have owned for the past 12 or so years. I have also built, upgraded and fixed dozens of PCs for friends and family over the years. It is with a small amount of shame then that I have recently acquired this Dell system. It is a Dell Precision T7400 workstation, specs as follows:

Intel Xeon E5440 2.83GHz quad core
4GB 667MHz DDR2 FB-DIMMs (4x1GB)
nVidia Quadro FX570 256MB
146GB 15,000rpm SAS hard drive

Sure I don't know what the motherboard is (it's a i5400 chipset) or the power supply, but really I don't care. The system is exactly as I would have spec'd it and there really was nothing in it where price was concerned. I could see myself having a headache where cooling was conerned for the FBDs on a home build. On the side of upgradability I can see no problem in the future, I have another S771 ready and 4 more memory slots free. I'll be popping in a further 4GB sooner rather than later. If anything does go wrong I can fix it myself so I didn't get raped with the warranty either. Just thought I would share that not all Dell's are inherently bad.

I hope your happy with your system, but all what I said is true.....

Give us an update on how reliable your machine is doing...

Reply to Hellboy

sour grapes buddy. If you know how to work on a computer, it doesn't matter who's name is on the front of it.

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Reply to joefriday

I've owned dozens of dell systems mostly to resell, and have only had a couple problems that were caused by my mixing / matching parts /cases/motherboards on similar models....

For most people who just want a general purpose computer i will always recommend Dell... the prices have just come down so much and if you know where to look you can goto dells site and get a decent new system w\ 19-22'' lcd for around $500... i remember the last dell i bought that had a p3 and 512 ram... cost around $850 for just the computer and by todays standards is simply trash.

i've only had a couple dell systems go out at work and it was due to power outages or just really old systems biting the dust.

my most recent dell i got is an optiplex 745... using it right now. Got it for $235 on ebay : 3.4ghz pentium D, put 4gb i had in it, ati x1300 graphics... its a nice upgrade to the $850 320 i've been using for the past year.

so, if you're not technically savvy and just need a system, go nuts. Get a dell. I'd recommend the optiplex or vostro systems... check out ebay, prices are really low... or look at dell if you want a new one. They usually have the vostros for around $430 w\ lcd and sometimes they are e4400 w\ 2gb, dvdrw.... hard to beat that price, especially when an lcd like that alone is going to run you 150-200

Reply to itadakimasu

joefriday wrote :

sour grapes buddy. If you know how to work on a computer, it doesn't matter who's name is on the front of it.

Its like saying I like travelling to work in my Trabant... ( google them )...

I personally have a major grudge against Dells, but thats just me.. I dont like them, never have liked them, never will like them.. My choice... Any one else can go and get 10 Dells for all I care, but for me Dells have as much respect from me as something scraped from my foot...

The only good thing about Dells is the support site in which you can type in the XTZZZY serial number and up pops drivers, abiet with 4 different video cards to chose from..

The rest for me Im afraid just doesnt work for me...Must be the most pokey brand appart from Advent / Medion lot..

Reply to Hellboy

i just thought of this time i was in the dell store... They have one in the mall and i usually go there to check my email and surf the internet while my wife shops somewhere....

anyhow, this guy next to me, a dell store employee answers the phone and some poor lady is saying that she doesn't know her password and can't login to her computer.

This guy goes on to tell her that she is going to have to reinstall (O Rly?) and then when she says she doesn't know where here installation disks are he quotes her a price of like $250+ for a new windows xp retail box'd OS...

i'm not sure if he was just doing his job in not helping her and telling her she needed to buy something from them or if he was just a nub and had no idea how to help her recover her password and login.

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itadakimasu wrote :

i just thought of this time i was in the dell store... They have one in the mall and i usually go there to check my email and surf the internet while my wife shops somewhere....

anyhow, this guy next to me, a dell store employee answers the phone and some poor lady is saying that she doesn't know her password and can't login to her computer.

This guy goes on to tell her that she is going to have to reinstall (O Rly?) and then when she says she doesn't know where here installation disks are he quotes her a price of like $250+ for a new windows xp retail box'd OS...

i'm not sure if he was just doing his job in not helping her and telling her she needed to buy something from them or if he was just a nub and had no idea how to help her recover her password and login.

$250 dollars for a disk.... She should of got one in the first place...

Anyhow.... thanks buddy, just made the 100th reason not to buy a Dell

Recommend these paps and ya get whats pc wise comming to ya... Lost data etc etc

Reply to Hellboy

We actually still have a dual-pentium 2 server running in our server room - LOL

We don't use it for anything though, its just powered on taking up space and electricity.

But anyhow for the dell bashing...

I've actually only seen a few dells with serious problems caused by dell and components going out. I'm sure other companies like Hp have reliable systems as well but dell is definately dominant in the pre-made pc market.

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Does this thread have any basis at all to begin with? or did some fool just dl a bunch of pseudo porn that ended up being virus's that shredded their dell and then they hate dell now because they're incompetent?
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Bottom line. If you build your own, why would you be buying a dell anyhow? (unless laptop)

But when it boils down to the everyday computer user who is only mildly computer literate, dell is a great deal. Getting a modern complete computer system w\ 22'' lcd for less then $500 just didn't used to happen.

Reply to itadakimasu

well this two year old thread keeps growing .. wonder why ?? is it this bad nahhhh

Reply to lolitha

I can't say I have had a bad experience yet with Dell Canada. My father has two laptops from them and I have a pocket pc as well as a tower from them and we never had any issues.

I called their tech service once about a specific driver for my pocket pc and the guy on the line was very helpful (the whole thing took less than 10mins).

Sad to see so many people that don't like them (Not sure if there is a difference between Dell USA and Dell Canada). Oh well to each their own.

Reply to kuliddar

the title says DELL SUCKS but the poster says "DELL AND EVERY OTHER PRE BUILT COMPUTER SUCKS " hehe and everyone is bashing DELL. poor DELL

Reply to lolitha

bweir wrote :

There have to be some Dell trolls on this thread. First and foremost, almost all of the components in a Dell are cheap, stripped down or customized low-cost versions of more expensive chipsets and boards. Their PSU's are garbage (try upgrading to a better vid card and watch it choke), their memory is frequently >cas 2.5, the motherboards are almost impossible to upgrade in any meaningful way and you would be lucky if digging into one of their cases didn't take 2 hours just to get past the 3 pounds of plastic that was in front of the motherboard.

A homebuilder can put together a better system for 25% less than a comparable Dell, you just don't get Customer Service based in Bangaldesh and a team of "fixers" whose job is to rush out and replace the failed parts that crap out after 2 weeks of hot use. Sure, you might have to learn the wonders of the RMA process, but you get a system all your own without any of the OEM software that slows down even a brand new $3000 XPS "gamer" (LOL) box from Dell.

"Friends Don't Let Friends Buy Dell" is my motto....the paid Dell trolls can keep swimming upstream for all I care.

There is no way someone can disagree with this.

I've actually had to deal with the crap Dell has..Dell uses BTX(by the way,in case you didn't know,Intel said it would stop supporting this along time ago,technically they shouldn't be able to deal with Intel boards? Oh right,they have their own Intel based BTX boards,which suck ass.You cannot put them in another case,and you cannot upgrade them.

Their customer support sucks(Because I've had to use it)
Their cases are made out of plastic.
Their internals are made out of aluminum,but mostly still plastic.
They take 30 minutes to just take apart,forget the 30 seconds it takes me on my case.
They fail in someway in 2 years,they completely fail in over 4 years.
Their **** is way overpriced. Dell is up there with Comcast.
But they're quiet,right!?!!? But they overheat.Darn,I thought I had a positive

"The Dell market has ruined all the decent pc system builders out there by flogging dog turds to the unsuspected public which pulls a software mountain that is bigger than Russia...at a the same cost of a hamster in Petsmart "

Yup.

"They are Intel based boards, but some are manufactured by reputable companies (i.e. Foxconn). "

Yeah.Foxconn is TOTALLY reputable.....for **** motherboards.Lawl,fanboy of Dell moar?

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jaragon13 wrote :

There is no way someone can disagree with this.

I've actually had to deal with the crap Dell has..Dell uses BTX(by the way,in case you didn't know,Intel said it would stop supporting this along time ago,technically they shouldn't be able to deal with Intel boards? Oh right,they have their own Intel based BTX boards,which suck ass.You cannot put them in another case,and you cannot upgrade them.

Their customer support sucks(Because I've had to use it)
Their cases are made out of plastic.
Their internals are made out of aluminum,but mostly still plastic.
They take 30 minutes to just take apart,forget the 30 seconds it takes me on my case.
They fail in someway in 2 years,they completely fail in over 4 years.
Their **** is way overpriced. Dell is up there with Comcast.
But they're quiet,right!?!!? But they overheat.Darn,I thought I had a positive

"The Dell market has ruined all the decent pc system builders out there by flogging dog turds to the unsuspected public which pulls a software mountain that is bigger than Russia...at a the same cost of a hamster in Petsmart "

Yup.

"They are Intel based boards, but some are manufactured by reputable companies (i.e. Foxconn). "

Yeah.Foxconn is TOTALLY reputable.....for **** motherboards.Lawl,fanboy of Dell moar?

So Dells are still crap then...

I thankyou..

Reply to Hellboy

Is Dell still in business...

Hope not....

Reply to Hellboy

Zerk wrote :

I'm Playing Crysis on my 6 year old DELL 4600! With the Old AGP 8x And 478 Socket,With Yup you Guessed it PC3200 Ram, ahahaha My old Dell Has Bean a Good Slave,

-_-

Reply to pr2thej

the only thing dell really excels at is making cheap computers, everything else about them is subpar. build quality, tech support, you name it.

i guess that's the price you pay for paying a low price

Reply to tipoo

Not Soooooooo Fast...I have been in the IT field for over 12 years, building and repairing PC even longer. There no hype with DELL. They build a decent PC for the money. If you can't or don't want to build your own PC then I like them over a few others in the market. BUT the FACTS are that you can spend the same money on better parts, build it yourself and have just as much ease of use. If you can't Partition a Hard drive, Format a Disk and monitor the Loading of an OS than you should stick to buying retail PC's and stop crying when you find out later that they are crappy. I buit my last Desktop in 2002 and it is STILL not obsolete. It was at the time a state of the art Gaming System. It has ahd a couple of upgrades since then (A BIG Advantage to building your own PC's they are upgradable for a long time) New Sound card, More RAM, New video card.. Get the picture. I have now 2GB RAM 512MB Video and Audigy XP Plat Pro. It can still go with more if I want to but I am ready to build a new system again. Heres the drill, Go To Alienware, VooDoo (Owned now by HP), or Falcon NW, Tech or Spec out there top of the line system Full Blown everything and you will reach 8 to 10K easy.. Now go to NewEgg, Tiger Direct or any of a dozen PC Parts Online Stores and pirce up all the individual parts for a build, you will hit a little over 4K.
That's as of Jan 2009. In fact here soon I think Samsung is coming out with 4GB Single RAM Chips..can you say 16GB RAM soon on a motherboard..maybe more when the 6 RAM Slot MB's hit the street.
Theres a beauty in staying out of retail and into the custom builds namely...Bang for thr Buck.

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Anonymous wrote :

Not Soooooooo Fast...I have been in the IT field for over 12 years, building and repairing PC even longer. There no hype with DELL. They build a decent PC for the money. If you can't or don't want to build your own PC then I like them over a few others in the market. BUT the FACTS are that you can spend the same money on better parts, build it yourself and have just as much ease of use. If you can't Partition a Hard drive, Format a Disk and monitor the Loading of an OS than you should stick to buying retail PC's and stop crying when you find out later that they are crappy. I buit my last Desktop in 2002 and it is STILL not obsolete. It was at the time a state of the art Gaming System. It has ahd a couple of upgrades since then (A BIG Advantage to building your own PC's they are upgradable for a long time) New Sound card, More RAM, New video card.. Get the picture. I have now 2GB RAM 512MB Video and Audigy XP Plat Pro. It can still go with more if I want to but I am ready to build a new system again. Heres the drill, Go To Alienware, VooDoo (Owned now by HP), or Falcon NW, Tech or Spec out there top of the line system Full Blown everything and you will reach 8 to 10K easy.. Now go to NewEgg, Tiger Direct or any of a dozen PC Parts Online Stores and pirce up all the individual parts for a build, you will hit a little over 4K.
That's as of Jan 2009. In fact here soon I think Samsung is coming out with 4GB Single RAM Chips..can you say 16GB RAM soon on a motherboard..maybe more when the 6 RAM Slot MB's hit the street.
Theres a beauty in staying out of retail and into the custom builds namely...Bang for thr Buck.

Been in the business for 26 years.. Went through CPM, Dos, Concurrent DOS,Xenix,Unix,Aix,All the Mac OS, Windows 1,2,3,3.1 95,98,me, 2000, xp and Vista... get the picture...

Dell used to make a good pc when they were in cream - the ones with the led display on it in green..
But of late this company has been badly executed selling genrally crap pcs..

Oh yes theyre cheap.. It just proving that when Dell were getting alleged so called back handers that on the hardware they didnt need to make a profit...

Now that they do the quality has gone down hill even more rapidly..

Dell are hype.. Their glossy adverts promise everything but the dog turd that comes...

They had a period of crap ram chips, hard disks that fail before the time is out, Im working on 5 dells right now, the only thing thats good about them is they keep going wrong and i make money on them. I did that with Amstrad machines and they were crap too.

Am I crying, no, I just cant stand Dell.. HP Computers are just as bad.

But hence comments you make are not exactly unkown to anyone with a screw driver, cable ties and a can of Pepsi Max.. Oh Did we know that VooDoo are owned HP, your breaking news there.

We all know that self builds will out last almost anything given the right amount of cash...another discovery there my friend.

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Had to add my honest opinion.. I am no pc pro and I previously owned a 'personally built' pc that when i tried to upgrade to a newer windows version completely fried the system and it was dog crap. I own a Dell Dimension and it has given me NO trouble in over 3 years now. Ive called the tech support and gotten nothing but helpful, knowledgeable people that even helped me with someone elses Dell I was trying to fix under MY expired warranty. My only problem recently is finding a good gaming graphics card that is compatible, but Im sure a trip to Best Buy or a privatly owned pc store will fix that. Im not paid to say any of this... where do I sign up for that anyway? And is it really nessessary to rag on people and insult them for what kind of pc they prefer to own???? grow up get a life.

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Still have a perfectly operational inspiron 8600 from 2003. It has fallen down a flight of stairs and still works like new. Customer service is the major problem of all big name comuter manufacturers. When my HP dies as it does often I just boot up the old dell and it never fails me. I have also noted that most of the time the problem with computers is between the keyboard and the chair.

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Anonymous wrote :

Had to add my honest opinion.. I am no pc pro and I previously owned a 'personally built' pc that when i tried to upgrade to a newer windows version completely fried the system and it was dog crap. I own a Dell Dimension and it has given me NO trouble in over 3 years now. Ive called the tech support and gotten nothing but helpful, knowledgeable people that even helped me with someone elses Dell I was trying to fix under MY expired warranty. My only problem recently is finding a good gaming graphics card that is compatible, but Im sure a trip to Best Buy or a privatly owned pc store will fix that. Im not paid to say any of this... where do I sign up for that anyway? And is it really nessessary to rag on people and insult them for what kind of pc they prefer to own???? grow up get a life.

Oh here we go..

A new operating system fried the pc that someone personally built..

Well "Buddy" an operating system does not fry a pc and if you think this is the case then obviously suffering from disolusional substances..

"personal" build pcs doesnt mean that they are any good, maybe you were taken for a ride in a bumpy car when you were sold you machine... "personal" built machines depends on the components used and how the pc was put together... almost anyone can build a pc - its like mechano.. Its making it work well afterwards....

I do not like Dell, I do not like Dell as a company ( alleged money rebates ), problematic machines with known faults. Supplying dodgy memory inside machines ( i know cheap is cheap but how can it pay if 20,000 machines fail with memory problems ) propriety usb card readers.. etc etc...
As i said if you read my text, but obviously your still upset that someone obviously ripped you off when all you proberly needed was a fresh install..

Not all computer shops are honest.. Just like any other industry.. Some are good some are bad.. end of..

As for your helpfull experience with your so called pc on the techinical help line this is a 1 in a 100 experience... well done..

I have found dells technical support patronising, over filled with confidence when they know not a lot..
Genrally un-educated. I had a call from Dell once after sending a pc back for repair because it never worked from day one..

Any way, i got a call from a engineer who asked me what parts he should replace in the dell, he went off to say that he replaced the ram and the processor... Well 99.9% of the time the processor is not the problem... he said "what should i do".. replace the motherboard as well, i replied.. i mean what company sells computers and doesnt know how to repair them..

Got another one... Dell dimension - that blew usb ports when someone plugged in the dell keyboard..
nice..

Had a batch of Dell keyboards ( the wireless ones ) that packed up..

Now dont give me that Dell dont make them rubbish as i know Dell buys them from another manufacturer..

Its dell that knocks the price down so that the company making them makes little profit so has to cut coners on quality.. Just like consumer HP machines the quality is not as good anymore..

Its just that Dell started all of this...

Reply to Hellboy

it really makes no difference lol.. i have had nothing but good experiences and you have had bad. its no reason to blow people down.

Reply to Anonymous

I totally agree that consumer pcs made by Dell, Gateway, HP, and any other system builders suck. They don't use the latest and greatest parts. The closest thing I've seen that comes close to my system would be the HP Blackbird 002. It's got a Q9450 with 8 gigs of ram and two 9800 GT in SLI and a Nvidia 780 chipset motherboard, but for a price tag of $3000, it is not worth it. It's probably that much because of the Voodoo logo.

I bought a Compaq Presario back in 1998 for $1600. 2 years later I built my first Pentium 4 system for around $500 and it totally kicked butt.

Reply to masterasia

So, in the year 2000, you built a Pentium 4 computer....for $500? Interesting, seeing as how it launched in November of 2000, and with only RDRAM support until the i845 chipset which wasn't released until August of 2001 (which, btw, was the same time that socket 478 launched).
http://www.theregister.co.uk/2000/ [...] nd_speeds/

So, a socket 423 Pentium 4 with Rambus and motherboard for $500 eh? Ya, sure you didn't.

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joefriday wrote :

So, in the year 2000, you built a Pentium 4 computer....for $500? Interesting, seeing as how it launched in November of 2000, and with only RDRAM support until the i845 chipset which wasn't released until August of 2001 (which, btw, was the same time that socket 478 launched).
http://www.theregister.co.uk/2000/ [...] nd_speeds/

So, a socket 423 Pentium 4 with Rambus and motherboard for $500 eh? Ya, sure you didn't.

You're just jealous because you ended up buying a crappy Dell instead of building your own.

Oh by the way...I still have my first P4 computer in my basement running Fedora 8.
It's still got the original 30 gig hard drive that I stole from work way back then and 512 MB of ram ( I stole 256 of it from work).
Stealing kept my cost down. I believe I got the Motherboard, CPU, and Ram for around $350.
Then I bought this cheap case and PSU of ebay for $25 and it still works today.

Reply to masterasia

Lol. No, I'm not jealous, I'm just calling you a liar (or at the very least a poor historian). Even if you only had to buy a cpu/mobo/and some rambus, it's still impossible to get that for $500 in the year 2000, let alone for the $350 you're now claiming. Price drops for P4 didn't occur until mid 2001.

Message edited by joefriday on 02-11-2009 at 06:13:59 PM

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Just fixed another pile of Dell POS....

POS number 1.. Power Supply
POS number 2.. Power Supply
POS number 3.. Video Card and hard disk
POS number 4.. Motherboard
POS number 5.. RAM
POS number 6.. hard disk
POS number 7.. Fan packed up replaced CPU and FAN
POS number 8.. Video Card ( MSI makes these for DELL - what a POS )
POS number 9... DVD Burner

and still counting...

Reply to Hellboy

it all deponds on what u use ur computer 4 i got a dell dimension 2350 4 $25 and it was pretty good computer it was good for surfing web music but it was crap 4 gaming but sometimes going custom can b cheat and sometimes going pre built can b cheap 2 just do some researching b4 u argue about stuff

Reply to GetLow_2008

most prebuilts are crap dell especially, ibm's, etc i know i was a onsite tech for dell and ibm for years. if you dont want to built it yourself find smaller shop and tell them your budget and its always going to be 10 times better than an prebuilt big company. but i must say in all dells are most likely the worse.

Reply to million3g

A bit off subject but still in line with DELL issues. I recently ordered a "previously ordered NEW" laptop from their outlet. Instead I was sent a REFURBISHED unit, with a big sticker on the back stating this fact. The Dell website clearly distinguishes between the two, and states that the previously ordered NEW are canceled or return orders that have "never been used", while the refurbished are previously owned. I called to complain and was essentially told their is no difference between the two!!! A complete contradiction to their website. Of course I paid MORE for the previously ordered NEW and instead received a scratched up, used, refurbished laptop. Despite my reading the different descriptions to them straight from the DELL website...they continued to DENY an error had occurred. Finally after two mangers I was told I could return it IF I paid a 15% restocking fee!!! NO EXCEPTIONS. I said forget it, I will sell it on the web and never order from DELL again. Their response, "have a nice day, thank you for ordering from Dell". Simply moronic. Cheat and alienate your customers. Great business model.

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jimbo11 wrote :

A bit off subject but still in line with DELL issues. I recently ordered a "previously ordered NEW" laptop from their outlet. Instead I was sent a REFURBISHED unit, with a big sticker on the back stating this fact. The Dell website clearly distinguishes between the two, and states that the previously ordered NEW are canceled or return orders that have "never been used", while the refurbished are previously owned. I called to complain and was essentially told their is no difference between the two!!! A complete contradiction to their website. Of course I paid MORE for the previously ordered NEW and instead received a scratched up, used, refurbished laptop. Despite my reading the different descriptions to them straight from the DELL website...they continued to DENY an error had occurred. Finally after two mangers I was told I could return it IF I paid a 15% restocking fee!!! NO EXCEPTIONS. I said forget it, I will sell it on the web and never order from DELL again. Their response, "have a nice day, thank you for ordering from Dell". Simply moronic. Cheat and alienate your customers. Great business model.

Another happy Dell customer...

Sorry to hear of your problems Jimbo11..

The only satisfaction you'll get now is that you have been removed from the poor quality all round which Dell is.. Proof that Dell needed those rebates...

Asus make the best laptops in my opinion. Especially from a repair point of view..

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