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I'm sad that the discussion ended so hateful. I would love to show you links, but I don't save all news I get from www.news4gamers.com because there is around 3-7 news each day average.

I havn't heard anythin of PS3 overheating problems, only with Xbox 360.

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Please read all the post on the page before this before commenting please.

I have been reading. All of them. You noted the graphics, because they interest you. Thats fine. My PCs graphics beats yours PS3s. I dont care. If Im playing a game I play for fun, or distraction. If the graphics help me play better, great, if not, or if they diminish the fun, I turn them down.

Again, the PS3s graphics are static. You will not be upgrading them or "tweaking" their graphics. The only thing left to you is gameplay, or blu ray viewing. I highly doubt any future PS3 titles are going to provide any stunning advances in either graphics or AI. If graphics are what turns you on, Im willing to bet you are going to be getting turned off in the not so distant future as PC graphics continue evolving while PS are fixed until PS4(?) comes out.

What if the New PS3 titles all tank and HD becomes "the" format? Your $600 was wasted. If youve got ample money, then no skin off your behind other than the time spent replacing the console/titles. If PS3 comes out with some killer titles and Blu Ray takes over good for you. Either way, my DT will be adaptable and play any titles ported for it as well as either Blu Ray, HD or both.

Regardless, all consoles today are relatively static. As consoles continue to evolve (read the other posts in this thread) its a good bet they may evolve into some form of PC, perhaps upgradable (one would hope) perhaps not. If they become upgradable, modularized "easy"PCs, great. Great for you, great for everyone who invests in one. If not you will never have a upgrade path, and always be stuck with what you bought. Just as you are now with PS3.All you an do is hope the titles come and Blu Ray takes the format war.

Reply to turpit

PS2 can perform graphics from 256x224 to 1280x1024 pixels.

MGS3 is running with 800x600 pixels.

Reply to Killercop

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I'm sad that the discussion ended so hateful. I would love to show you links, but I don't save all news I get from www.news4gamers.com because there is around 3-7 news each day average.

I havn't heard anythin of PS3 overheating problems, only with Xbox 360.

http://www.theinquirer.net/default.aspx?article=32343

Im sorry :oops: I appologize for linking to the Inq, but I couldnt resist :lol:

Heres the actual source site. Take it as you will

http://www.kotaku.com/gaming/ps3/m [...] 145977.php

Some other links courtesy of Exit2Dos

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http://www.techimo.com/newsapp/index.pl?photo=17524

They've already released a patch to fix this, but I guess the patch doesn't work.
http://arstechnica.com/journals/th [...] 11/28/6100

So now they're pretty much saying "no comment".
http://www.ps3news.ca/11242006/19/ [...] ...irmware

Reply to turpit

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I have been reading. All of them.

Thank you, I hate people who suddenly pops in and make this and this statement against me without even reading what I read before. Happens all the time on www.ps3forums.com

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You noted the graphics, because they interest you. Thats fine. My PCs graphics beats yours PS3s. I dont care. If Im playing a game I play for fun, or distraction. If the graphics help me play better, great, if not, or if they diminish the fun, I turn them down.

And that is what I also do. I only play a game because it's fun. Not because of the graphics. That's why I hate BF2, for an example. Again the games wich is on the PS3 today has been made some years before PS3 "began too show up" like DarkSector, the very first "PS3 game" official shown to public. Of course they could not program for the PS3 if they did not knew how it was. But game making is much more than that. Pre-production is what takes the most time usually. 3D graphics is possible to make on beforehand too, and thats why we see so "bad" graphics today on PS3. Like Motorstorm, when the first in-game graphics was revealed, it looked like crap. But slowly month after month, it began to have better visuals because they now had the chance to see what they really could make out from the PS3's power from where the stood.

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Again, the PS3s graphics are static. You will not be upgrading them or "tweaking" their graphics. The only thing left to you is gameplay, or blu ray viewing. I highly doubt any future PS3 titles are going to provide any stunning advances in either graphics or AI. If graphics are what turns you on, Im willing to bet you are going to be getting turned off in the not so distant future as PC graphics continue evolving while PS are fixed until PS4(?) comes out.

PS3 and other console hardware isn't "static". Developers find better ways to use this technology over the time, and thats why you can see a big difference in Timesplitters PS3 launch title and Gran Turismo 4, for an example. Of course the PS3 isn't tweaked physically, but with the software.

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What if the New PS3 titles all tank and HD becomes "the" format? Your $600 was wasted. If youve got ample money, then no skin off your behind other than the time spent replacing the console/titles. If PS3 comes out with some killer titles and Blu Ray takes over good for you. Either way, my DT will be adaptable and play any titles ported for it as well as either Blu Ray, HD or both.

600$ is a strong statement. If Blu-ray fails the format war, it's the movies which has the problem. The games can still be made out of Blu-ray discs. And I think I read some time ago, that the PS3 can be altered in a way so it's possible to read HD-DVD's but I won't claim it's accuracy.

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Regardless, all consoles today are relatively static. As consoles continue to evolve (read the other posts in this thread) its a good bet they may evolve into some form of PC, perhaps upgradable (one would hope) perhaps not. If they become upgradable, modularized "easy"PCs, great. Great for you, great for everyone who invests in one. If not you will never have a upgrade path, and always be stuck with what you bought. Just as you are now with PS3.All you an do is hope the titles come and Blu Ray takes the format war.

As said, consoles aren't static as such. Yes, the consoles begin to look more like PC's, like PS3's upgradable HDD. But I don't think we will see things as upgradable CPU or GPU.

Reply to Killercop

Oh yes, I remember now. These links are way old, have you seen the date on this? And besides that, it was all rumor, they had nothing on it.

Reply to Killercop

yes, but if you run a ps2 with a tv(not that joke of "HD" but SD) then you cannot get 800 by 600 you will be running it in SD or do i have that wrong. perhaps you can correct me cause i thought tv's couldn't change their res like a pc monitor can. ( i know im gonna get shot down i just know it)

Reply to strangestranger

A TV can show any pixel resolution. The SD is 720 x 576 pixels, which all PAL format, which all TV programs is shown through, unless they have changed to HD of course.

Reply to Killercop

You can check this link and scroll to the bottom for a handy depiction of the different display formats. PAL is 720x576, NTSC is 720x480. You aren't wrong.

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PS3 and other console hardware isn't "static". Developers find better ways to use this technology over the time, and thats why you can see a big difference in Timesplitters PS3 launch title and Gran Turismo 4, for an example. Of course the PS3 isn't tweaked physically, but with the software.

Au contrare Mon Ami. The PS3s graphics are static. Whether or not current or future titles make full use of its capabilites, or programers "find better ways" to use it as you put it, is a different point entirely. You can not phsyically upgrade or significantly "tweak" the hardware...what you got is what you got and you are stuck with it for better or worse. Kind of like getting married except without the alimony after the divorce :wink:

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600$ is a strong statement. If Blu-ray fails the format war, it's the movies which has the problem. The games can still be made out of Blu-ray discs. And I think I read some time ago, that the PS3 can be altered in a way so it's possible to read HD-DVD's but I won't claim it's accuracy.

Is it? How much did you spend on PS3? The whole statement was if all the PS3 titles tank (granted, an unlikely scenario) and Blu Ray loses.... In that event youre out the cost of the console, be it $600 or $150.

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As said, consoles aren't static as such. Yes, the consoles begin to look more like PC's, like PS3's upgradable HDD. But I don't think we will see things as upgradable CPU or GPU.

Again, they are with the exception of the current upgrades as pointed out by Dean and Dante. The hardware is fixed. There (not their) is no way of geting around it.

Reply to turpit

BTW, check this image of Gran Turismo HD out:

It's such crap I can't believe it.

Reply to dean7

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BTW, check this image of Gran Turismo HD out:

It's such crap I can't believe it.

I thought those were cows by the side of the road. Took a second to realize they were people

Reply to turpit

I thought he was referring to the "rocks" on both sides of the turn. :wink:

Reply to VBDude

thats fake right, surely it doesn't look that bad.

Reply to strangestranger

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thats fake right, surely it doesn't look that bad.

If it isn't, then that's pretty bad.

It might be an HD signal on a non-1080p/1080i capable display. Since the PS3 seemingly skipped 720, it might not look great on anything less than 1080?

Just a thought...not really sure. The display model I played on looked similar, but I really didn't take the time to really look at the game (that was being run) much. It was some dirt bike game, and it looked similar, but I doubt EB Games was running a 1080 display. Of course, I could be wrong.

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thats fake right, surely it doesn't look that bad.

Dude, it's from Amazon.com and they aren't in the habit of posting FUD (as far as I know).

Reply to dean7

BTW, here's an image from GameSpot that doesn't look AS bad, but still pretty bad.

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OK, and here's the real killer... check this XB360 VS PS3 article out:

http://www.gamespot.com/features/6 [...] es;title;0

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Call of Duty 3 has made its way onto just about every major console, but it definitely looks best on the Xbox 360. The PlayStation 3 comes in a close second, but the 360 is the clear winner. The textures have less detail on the PS3, and the game looks a little washed out. Between the overly bright visuals and muddy textures, the PlayStation 3 can't match the 360 version's gritty look.

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When we first looked at the comparison screenshots, we had to double check to make sure we had an identical 1 p.m. game time and clear-skies weather settings for both systems since the fields appeared very different. We booted up the game again and confirmed that the stadium wasn't casting any shadows on the field in the PlayStation 3 version. [Update: We just checked Madden 07 again. The 4:15 p.m. setting produces on-field shadows in the PS3 version.] The Xbox 360 had sharper textures on the character models in the close-up shots shown between plays. You can actually see the jersey material and the Reebok logo on the player in the Xbox 360 shot. One GameSpot editor did note that the PS3 jerseys looked better than the 360's while players were in motion.

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Both consoles deliver a solid ballin' experience with NBA 2K7. Small textures like the logos on the court and the jerseys on the players look crisper on the PS3. The same textures are slightly blurrier on the 360, but the Xbox 360 makes up for it with better framerates.

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Fight Night Round 3 was one of the first games to really show off the Xbox 360's graphics power with fantastic lighting and incredibly detailed player models. The PS3 still has great looking player models but the crowds are less detailed and the lighting effects are definitely inferior. If the graphical losses weren't enough, the PlayStation 3 version takes almost twice as long as its 360 counterpart to load into the menu screen, and a third longer to load a quickplay.

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The Xbox 360 is more subtle with the HDR in the opening garage area of Tony Hawk's Project 8. The asphalt and mulch textures in the second image set have a higher resolution on the 360. We also saw better framerates in the Xbox 360 version.

Anyway, I could go on, but the screenshots REALLY speak for themselves. The PS3 looks pathetic compared to the XB360 in nearly all of them. Need I keep digging up links for pathetic fanboys or is this case closed?

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BTW, here's an image from GameSpot that doesn't look AS bad, but still pretty bad.

Hey, that is better. You can tell people are people right off, you can even tell that one car is a shelby cobra

Reply to turpit

OK, and for my final crowning achievement, check this out:

http://www.gamespot.com/ps3/action [...] id=6162084

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So what happened? According to Croal, "For the greater part of this year, PlayStation chief Ken Kutaragi hadn't finalized the business terms for independent publishers on the PS3," wrote Croal. "[But] PlayStation's Japanese headquarters was effectively radio silent, and without Kutaragi's signoff, the normally independent American and European branches had no authority to reach agreements on the exclusives they believed could be valuable to the PS3 cause."

According to Newsweek, while Sony played the waiting game, Microsoft contacted both Take-Two and Ubisoft and offered them very generous terms to bring Assassin's Creed and Grand Theft Auto IV to the Xbox 360. Croal cites an unnamed source at one of the companies as saying, "I do have to give Microsoft a lot of credit for going after titles and doing whatever they can to generate third-party support. They've been magnificent in this generation."

Though Sony Computer Entertainment America had not returned GameSpot's requests for comment, its executive vice president, Jack Tretton, told Newsweek that the 360 GTA IV was all its publisher's idea. "There was interest on Take-Two's part to bring Grand Theft Auto onto Xbox platforms," said the executive. "We wouldn't encourage them to do that. The interest came from them."

Another example of Sony dragging it's feet and costing themselves big time. Maybe it's because their execs (famous for arguing with eachother recently) are too busy yelling to get anything done.

Plus, check these Tekken 5 screenies out (from GameSpot)...

NOT the most compelling thing I have ever seen. That's for sure.

Anyway, sorry for the massive posts, but I'm tired of freaking morons messing with me and acting like I don't know what I'm talking about.

On a side note, happy new year!

Reply to dean7

Yeah, the cobra looks pretty icky.

BTW, I thought it was freaking funny how Gamespot said XB360 has better framerates, but Sony was bragging that the PS3 would get 120FPS in 1080.

(what they didn't mention was that they could get those FPS only in Pong and Warlords)

Reply to dean7

You can also tell it's lower res. :wink:

Reply to VBDude

Ohhhhhhh...

Those Tekken 5 screens do not look good. I mean they're good, say relative to an .......(insert your choice here)...., but not at all what I would hope for from a $600 console, all PR and advertising bragging aside.Those backrounds....cripe, if your going to do that....just as well to go with a plain black or white "wall" in back.
Hopefully killercop is right and follow on titles quality will improve. Greatly.

Reply to turpit

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Au contrare Mon Ami. The PS3s graphics are static. Whether or not current or future titles make full use of its capabilites, or programers "find better ways" to use it as you put it, is a different point entirely. You can not phsyically upgrade or significantly "tweak" the hardware...what you got is what you got and you are stuck with it for better or worse. Kind of like getting married except without the alimony after the divorce :wink:

Yes, the hardware which determs the power of the console is physically "static". But the Cell and RSX isn't normal harware, they always find better ways to make good use of it. That's what I mean with "tweaking" it.

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Is it? How much did you spend on PS3? The whole statement was if all the PS3 titles tank (granted, an unlikely scenario) and Blu Ray loses.... In that event youre out the cost of the console, be it $600 or $150.

Sorry for my bad explenation, it was midnight at the time, so I was alittle tired. I mean that the "600$ is waste"statement was relative strong word, because the game will be in Blue-ray media even if Blue-ray lost the media war.

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Again, they are with the exception of the current upgrades as pointed out by Dean and Dante. The hardware is fixed. There (not their) is no way of geting around it.

I agree.

Reply to Killercop

Yeah, those are crap games according to it's for PS3. But I can tell you why. These are ports of PS2 games. Gran Turismo 4 is released on the PS2, and I own it myself. Gran Turismo 4 for the PS3 has no changes besides the picture is now rendered with HD, 1920 x 1080 pixels. That's the only difference from the PS2 version. And by the way Gran Turismo HD which is it's name, has been cancelled, and a new version was made with new car models plus (real) motion blur, which is a extremely tough to calculate in-game.

Oh yes, Tekken 5 I love that game. Again, no changes has been made to the game besides it's running 1920 x 1080 pixels and has some menu and HUD changes. That's it. And the game can't even be bought in stores, it's download service only.

Now I will show you real games for the PS3 (have in mind that there is a difference in good looking graphics and advanced/complex graphics):

http://image.com.com/gamespot/imag [...] een002.jpg
http://image.com.com/gamespot/imag [...] een011.jpg
http://image.com.com/gamespot/imag [...] een016.jpg
http://image.com.com/gamespot/imag [...] een022.jpg
http://image.com.com/gamespot/imag [...] een009.jpg
http://image.com.com/gamespot/imag [...] een014.jpg
http://image.com.com/gamespot/imag [...] een001.jpg
http://image.com.com/gamespot/imag [...] een002.jpg
http://image.com.com/gamespot/imag [...] een009.jpg

All these games are in-game or have runned on the PS3 devkit.

Reply to Killercop

this console war was lost by Sony before they started. their delays (for whatever reason) cost them valuable time in xbox360's game development and sales. I have absolutely no interest in either console, but I am 100% excited about the wii (have not even tried it yet), and will be buying one as soon as I can.

I think my opinion is a pretty good summary of what's going on. The hype has already seemingly died for PS3, but last week when I heard all my local Best Buys were getting 20-30 wii's per store on Friday, I found out both stores I drove to Friday morning had people lined up since the previous night waiting for them. that's 1.5 months after product release!! I thought people were crazy waiting overnight on the original release date, but this is unbelievable! The hype for the Wii seems to have INCREASED if anything.

I'm a PC gamer, and my last owned console was SNES. I cannot wait for my Wii, and my wife is actually expressing interest! She HATES my gaming!

Xbox360=success due to time in the market and a good product (not necessarily better/worse than PS3)

Wii=success due to new innovative FUN ideas, and capturing the attention of a HUGE market share, many of which have never considered any gaming AT ALL before. also, their console seems much better designed to include just about anyone to play it together (socially). I can totally see Wii parties springing up all over the place.

Reply to torque79

Some of those look very good, some 'eh'. Based on those pics, looks like they should either stay away from environmental effects, or that they need to put a whole lot more effort into them.

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LOL have fun playing RTS games on a CONSOLE and dont to mention the computer can do way more complex things then can the consoles, Can u get mods for Oblivion on the Xbox360? can you upgrade you console so it runs better? Have fun trying to post on THG about your console games seeing as they DONT HAVE ANY INTERNET(by internet i mean webrowsing not stupid xbox live_

The PS3 and Wii both have browsers for surfing the net, the 360 is the only one without a browser.

The latest add on for Oblivion is on xboxlive for about £5.

The latest C&C is being released on the 360.

I think that you should know the facts before posting replies....

Reply to petrolhead2003

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