Bye Bye PC, Just Got PS3 - Page 2

PC is not that upgradable if you want to stay on top. Out of the 10 or so upgrades I've done on my own PC over the last ten years, I might be able to port the ram over 2 times, reuse the mobo 2 times. Every other times is a brand new ram+cpu+mobo at the minimum.

The last three upgrade I've done:

P4+DDR RAM+478 MOBO>Venice+DDR RAM+939MOBO>C2D+DDR2 RAM+775MOBO.

DDR3 is coming out so next time it's gonna be a new mobo+DDR3 ram+new cpu.

That is great! You got a PS3! I wonder if you got the one I took back? I am an avid PC gamer, but I use to be a console junkie. I have a long list of console that I have owned and I argued this same point when Dreamcast was first released. It was the first console I had that supported online browsing and online gaming. I bragged to all my PC buddies that I could do everything with my Dreamcast, that they could do with there higher priced PC. Well, that lasted about 3 months until i got a GOOD PC and saw the light. Don't get me wrong, some console's (Dreamcast and PS2) are worth there weight in gold. But a PS3 is not one of them. I bought a PS3 the second week it was available. But luckly before I made the decision to open it (I bought it to sell it, but once it was in my hand that Blue-ray player starting talking to me.), I heard about all the problems and I read about and did alot of research on the HD-DVD vs Blue-ray format war. Those factors told me that I needed to get rid of that POS... oops I mean PS3 before it was to late. Tried selling it on e-bay for what i had paid for it and guess what, no-one wanted the junk. So luckly I was able to take it back.

Anyway, in a year or so i will make my decision on what console I will be investing my money in. I love football and racing games on consoles, so I know a new console is in my future. But, the way it is looking right now, the XBOX 360 is in my future because of Forza, Halo 3 and the GOW series. PS3 will never have any of those games and in my opnion, without them and the fact that it is using the Blue-ray format, the PS3 does not have a fighting chance in hell to survive. Maybe $ONY will not screw up on the PS4.... maybe.

Agree.

Proof here!

That made me laugh D

Yeah, because the lower memory bandwidth and fewer ROPS.

Next time if i were you i'd make a better arguement, you just keep repeating the same thing OVER AND OVER.

PS3 is nice but how are you checking email, doing word processing, computing, browsing the web, etc., etc..

*sigh* yet another fun "console vs. PC" thread.

IMHO If you just stick with one or the other then you are missing out on a lot.

I have a "decent" pc (sempron 3000+, 1 GB value ram, X1600pro) that I built myself, along with a gamecube and I just got a ds for christmas.

Sure, my PC has much better graphics and can play games like BF2 online along with Doom 3, etc. But I have had a lot of fun with my GC, like with metroid prime 1&2 and I'm currently playing the new zelda game (seriously, I would buy a GC just for these games).

So really, there is no reason to attack someone for buying a PS3, If he is really enjoying playing games like "resistance: fall of man" then it was probably worth the $600 to him.

We all hope you do the same.

I'm completely done with Coke, I'm switching to Pepsi.

I own a PSP I'm still not sure if that was a good investment or not. I really wanted Gran Turismo, also UMD movies seemed like a good idea at the time.

Sony sells really cool hardware below cost, but they cripple it with propritary formats, and a completely closed platform. I'd rather pay twice as much and get something that was open. I'd pay $500 for a PSP if it let me download movies from dvds I already own, and download homebrew games without hacking the firmware.

Everyone wants to replace the PC with their own new closed platfrom (Vista I'm talking to you) but the PC only took off because it was an open platform.

The PS3 might even die because not enough people bought one to justify software development.

NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!

I own a PSP as well and I don't really use it anymore. Sony needs to make the friggin' thing hackable, because homebrews are what will make it appealing and fun. (my friend has an old firmware and he turned his PSP into a universal remote... not incredibly useful but dang it's cool)

1000 HDTV? WTH? If I was to buy a PS3/360, I would be spending more then 1000$ on a TV.


Also, to note, I fine the PS3s are not selling in my area now. I was at EBgames at the mall and they had 3 60gb versions left. Best Buy has 2.


Consoles and console games are great, but when you realize how much of the game you are missing (i.e. game updates, mods, the ability to quickly do something on the computer as your playing... the online community)... it becomes clear that the PC is the way to go.

besides... BLUE RAY will not PASS.

Look at all the other Sony format failures..
1.) Betamax
2.) SACD
3.) MiniCD
4.) UMD
5.) DVDA
6.) Soon to be blue ray.

It's actually pretty funny. If I'm correct 10X as many Wii have been released (3million Wii's to 300k PS3's) and yet it seems to be about 10X harder to find a Wii. At the Best Buy I work at we don't bother giving shelf space to new consoles until the've been out for a while because they sell so fast. But with PS3 we've started just putting them literally on the floor at the end of aisles hoping somebody will pick them up. No lie, the day after xmass (traditionally one of the busiest shopping days of the year) one sat on the floor under the PS3 display until about 2:00pm before somebody bought it. Pretty soon Wiis and PS3s will be going for the same $$ on ebay.

Sony's track record is nothing to write home about but this time they are mortgaging their future on it. They are practically giving away the Blu Ray drive in the PS3 so they will not allow it to fail.

I predict a stalemate ending to this war or maybe Sony will come out ahead a little. But really, even it Sony wins big, they cannot recoup the amount of resources they put into Blu Ray/PS3.

And it's a war that they lose even if they win. This will be the last time Sony has any say in the electronic world, sort of like IBM had when they introduced the microchannel architecture.

Sony's track record is nothing to write home about but this time they are mortgaging their future on it. They are practically giving away the Blu Ray drive in the PS3 so they will not allow it to fail.

I predict a stalemate ending to this war or maybe Sony will come out ahead a little. But really, even it Sony wins big, they cannot recoup the amount of resources they put into Blu Ray/PS3.

And it's a war that they lose even if they win. This will be the last time Sony has any say in the electronic world, sort of like IBM had when they introduced the microchannel architecture.

Re: 5. "DVDA"

If anyone has seen the first movie from the SouthPark guys they will know what "DVDA" realy stands for!!!!!! LOL

though Beta max and SACD were superior products.

Although I'm usually in the PC camp, I'm actually going to go with DarkLord on this one. If he/she is only willing to spend $600 on a gaming system, a console is the way to go. I would have chosen a Wii or stuck with my 360, but whatever... to get a system the equivelant of a PS3, if the only thing you are going to use it for is easy gaming (and this is key), you'd need to spend $1k or more to get an equivalent PC. Not to mention BlueRay...

Hey now...I used to work in the computer repair center at Best Buy, before it turned to Computer Geeks.

Best Buy might not sell the best, top of the line stuff, true, but the sales people are there to sell, not give advice about how to upgrade this or that. I know, I had many sales people come to me to ask what kind of graphics card would be able to play blah blah game or do this and that. Of course, that was almost a decade ago.

I would buy a PSP right now if it were hackable. Since its not, Screw it.

That's why i didn't buy one. When i first heard about all the horsepower it possessed it made me dream of emulating loads of old NES/SNES/Mega Drive (Genesis for you guys over the in the US of A) games etc.

But then Sony HAD to go and ruin my dream

Yes they were, but Sonys timing was abysmal, and calling it abysmal is being generous. In both cases they bet on a market rollover long before the consumer market was ready, and as a result wound up getting the figurative "finger" from the consumer.

Ninja, there you are, havent seen you in a day or 2. Been doing any experimenting lately? If not, I have a though.....

That "though" meant to have a t at the end?

Fixed it for you

Can't be that great; or else you would be playing right now instead of posting here right?

Well, the PS3 does have 2 free DDR2 slots. You could put linux on there and get a pair of OCZ 2gb sticks and upgrade the PS3.



-> to note, its not that Us windows guys need to be hand held when using linux, its just that we have no desire to mess with needless complexity when we know how do bypass windows basic settings and get it to do the same thing.

I ran Linux on my XBOX, and the ram limitations really made it an ugly experience... though fun to do as a project.

Yes they were, but Sonys timing was abysmal, and calling it abysmal is being generous. In both cases they bet on a market rollover long before the consumer market was ready, and as a result wound up getting the figurative "finger" from the consumer.

They essentially wanted to control Betamax, but JVC and VHS bit them in the @$$. JVC openly licensed VHS, Sony hogged beta. It was a shame, because beta was superior in every way (picture quality, sound, responsiveness) except for cost and marketing (my parent's Betamax alone cost $2,500 in the early 80s).

This all spells an obvious lesson for Sony to keep prices down and above all not seek to dominate an HD format. So far they done well, only Toshiba remains HD DVD exclusive, and only Sony remains Blu Ray exclusive. Everyone else is free to flip flop to whoever gains steam. Personally, I don't believe the new format war will be won or lost until HD becomes more mainstream. Both formats can find room in the small early adopters niche for the time being.

However, I think Sony made a mistake by driving up the price of the PS3 to pay for Blu Ray compatibility. Assuming people will migrate to Blu Ray en masse because of a $600 console (simply as an alternative to a $1,000 player) is no way to win the consumer's hand in the format war, especially when the majority have no HDTVs. People are used to paying under $300 for consoles, and they still can (Wii, core 360). I find Sony and Microsoft's attempts to market their consoles as "home entertainment centers" nearly laughable. They are ultimately toys at their core, and they will remain so in the minds of consumers. $600 is a lot for a toy. Nintendo, the old hat in this industry, has long known this, and rightfully priced and marketed the Wii solely as a console. The PC has more "respect" as more of a tool.

Bottom line? Regardless of R&D costs, the PS3 needs to match the price of the Xbox 360, and Blu Ray along with HD in general need to approach the good old DVD in terms of total cost within the next few years to get sold well. Both consoles need killer apps as well (HD Gran Turismo, GTA 4, Halo 3, PGR 4). I expect to pay $30 for a Wal Mart Blu Ray player by Christmas '07 .