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There must be thousands who have written giudes like you and you are saying that yours is the only one that Jagex is listening to. Also, there must be hundereds of thousands or millions even who have reported alot of these things you have listed to Jagex themselves. You're saying that Jagex ignored those who went directly to them and went looking for YOUR guide just to change rule 2?

huh? No one wrote a guide...well except Jagex. Jagex has an incomplete parent guide and also has endorsed an official runescape guide written for children aged 9 to 12. Charles has written an editorial.

You are misinterpreting what was said as well. Jagex did ignore customer complaints to the usual great extent and when they did reply it was often a form letter. My complaint reply said thanks for asking for a clarification on luring and I got a copy of the "luring into the wilderness is not against the rules". Oh, and Jagex ignored the thousands of luring complaints from day one yes, but we did not know that until recently....and they did nothing about it. So um, no , obviously the complaints had little effect on their own.

There were lots of people involved with external pressure on Jagex. The we Charles is referring to is a collective "we". No one said Jagex was influenced by one person's actions, but this article did have an influence.

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Also, I was replying to Wildy. He said that Jagex allowed luring and now they don't. So what? I could be wearing a jacket and then take it off, thus, not wearing a jacket. Then he says "I'll let you figure it out". He's trying to say that this particular guide is a DIRECT cause of the change, instead of the complaints that millions of people would have sent in or Jagex's own decision deciding by themselves that they should stop luring.

Well Jagex did not make the decision themselves. 6 weeks to take out a sticky and admit they were wrong? Being that Jagex needed external pressure to get a conscience, I would say that any negative responses that were out there publicly had a direct impact on the change of heart by Jagex. Again, you are reading things into the replies that are not there.

Unlike you who can only pick the eyes out of other's posts by finding minor flaws (much like charles did with RuneScape), I use my common sense to look at the posts and then see if I can say something about it. 9 million people play, atleast 10,000 people would have sent in a complaint, so what if Jagex turned down the first 2,000, maybe the others weren't turned down and maybe that was what caused Jagex to do this.

Out of the millions of people who play RuneScape, atleast 100 would have written a guide, even if they didn't advertise it on the internet.

Also, do you have proof that this article played a part? Have you gone to Jagex and asked? If you do and they say yes, this article did play a major part in the decision, then you would be right, if not, then I would be.

Reply to Buck_Teeth7

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Buck_Teeth7

The fact that you choose to simply ignore or twist what has been said really reminds me of someone on the RS forums. It is impossible to hold any sort of conversation with people like this.

I value that you have opinions and that you have invested your time here, but i for one have no desire to beat my head against a brick wall.

My mind will not be changed without valid arguement as i have played Runescape for many years and i know what i know. I feel you opinion is set, as is mine (although I am open to valid comments and suggestions). However in this case i will agree to disagree.

Oh and just for the record, i'm a she :wink:

Reply to Wildy

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There must be thousands who have written giudes like you and you are saying that yours is the only one that Jagex is listening to.

Okay, with thousands of them out there, you should have no problem finding, say, 10.

Where are they?

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You're saying that Jagex ignored those who went directly to them and went looking for YOUR guide just to change rule 2?

Nobody has claimed anything of the sort. I said from the start that nobody but Jagex knows what really prompted them to do a complete 180 from their original stance.

I DO know, though, that it happened 3 days after this editorial went online. I also know that others have been active in getting the word out about the current situation through the media and other resources outside Runescape.

When Jagex made an unpopular decision in January, it took them only a day to reverse it. On this one, they stonewalled until people started to apply pressure from the outside. Whether that was the deciding factor is impossible to prove, but it seems that it is at least a strong possibility.

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Reply to charlesk

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Good for you! Also, if making luring illegal made you quit, does that mean you were a fan of luring?

She quit when luring was made legal back in February. :roll:

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If the scammers that smart people like charles should avoid are gone, will it make his gameplay any different? If he can find all of this negative BS about runescape, he should be smart enough to avoid scammers, thus, gameplay would not have changed.

Why do you assume that I wrote this because of the impact of these problems on me personally? Is it possible that I wrote it because of my concern for others who might not be as smart as me or have as much experience as I do?

Is it possible that if I live in a city infested with crime, that I might complain about it even if I have not personally been mugged or had my car stolen?

Do you think everyone in a community is only going to complain if they are themselves victims of a crime?

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Reply to charlesk

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Out of the millions of people who play RuneScape, atleast 100 would have written a guide, even if they didn't advertise it on the internet.

Before it was "thousands", now it's "at least 100".

Where are they?

And if they didn't advertise them where people could find them, of what use are they?

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Also, do you have proof that this article played a part?

Nope. Again, never claimed I did. And in fact, while I hoped that it would prompt them to act, I had no illusions that it would in fact work - I was as surprised at Thursday's announcement as anyone.

But the article -- and TruthScape, which will be online next week -- have a dual role of educating people about what goes on in this game, which has a reputation of being appropriate for kids and is not. The email response I got from someone who said that he ran a computer lab for kids and after reading my article would be blocking Runescape from the lab -- that alone made it all worthwhile.

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Reply to charlesk

You know what? I have just realised something! I don't care about you and what you believe. You made a good guide. I've been wasting my time with all of this! I have no idea what I have been doing. If I want people who like RuneScape, I go to RHQ, RSR or RSC!

Seya :wink:

Reply to Buck_Teeth7

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Good for you! Also, if making luring illegal made you quit, does that mean you were a fan of luring?

ouch! Quitting was a very difficult thing to do, being I had made many good friends that I have left behind.I must have hurt your feelings for you to be so mean. If I did, I am very sorry.

Judging by your name and your responses, I would say you are most likely my son's age, so I will try to be less harsh and picky. You do misunderstand that all the people replying here like the game, and care about the community.

Here is a reply from a jmod, in reply to why luring was now made illegal.

Mod Emilee
Jagex Mod

29-Mar-2007 14:24:53
We recently clarified our position on Luring in to the Wilderness. It was our belief that the dangers of the Wilderness were sufficiently well documented to mean that anybody choosing to enter the Wilderness did so in the knowledge that they could be killed and could lose items.

With this in mind, we didn't consider Luring to be a reportable offence. However, we did not want to encourage the practice as we still believed it to be dishonest and not in the general spirit of the game.

We have very carefully considered this and taken on board feedback from players about this clarification. In particular, there were those that were unhappy that Jagex would be seen to allow such a deceptive act in the game.
We would now like to re-clarify our position.

Luring in to the Wilderness is against the rules of the game and can be reported under Rule 2 – Item Scamming.

Players that choose to take advantage of others by tricking them in to the Wilderness or by under-selling the dangers of the Wilderness will be in breach of Rule 2.

Regardless of this, it is very important that all players are very careful when approaching the Wilderness. If you choose to go in to the Wilderness then you may be killed and may lose items. If there is any deception involved in luring you to the Wilderness then we may take action against the player that killed you, but we cannot be responsible for any items that you lose as a result of this decision.

This rule in no way relates to standard incidents of PK-ing. No player should report another player as a result of losing a PK-ing match.

Reply to paulyts50

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So many people hide behind the stance "it’s just a game" as the writer stated, so is football. Does that make it above the rules? Does that mean the players are above reproach? Above being held responsible for their actions? No, it does not.

But... the assumption that football and MMORPGs are equivalent is slightly flawed.

an MMORPG is an MMORPG. Football is football. War is war. Russian Roulette is Russian Roulette. Gambling is gambling.

They all have consequences. The consequences are not usually the same.

Fortunately by and large, consequences on an MMORPG remains largely online assuming the psyche of the individual is strong enough to handle the problems of griefing, addiction and the challenges of REAL LIFE.

I would say that that is probably the most important thing and should be plastered on the game packaging like the surgeon general's warning on cigarettes.

I do not believe Jagex ought to change anything they don't want to, but they should explicitly declare their game mechanics to the point it can be clearly understood what one stands to lose should they for example, step into a contested PVP area etc.

Again, I strongly do believe by consenting to play one of these games, you are attesting that your psyche is strong enough to withstand said challenges and that you are consenting to be put up to said challenge.

How ready teenagers are for a medium like this, I cannot say, I am no adolescent psychologist, and I would venture that games like this are a precedent in our day and age.

IMHO, with adequate parental regulation I feel a suitably researched MMORPG would be an acceptable entertaintment choice. I believe regulation is the job of the parent.

As an aside, my online avatar would probably die of shame if my kid ever played anything as l4m3 as RS.

IMO WoW FTW. Nothing beats pwning the $h!t out of alliance on the BG's.

Reply to storngbaredurid

Listen people. I am one of the high level players on Runescape Look up Atol. When people say cusswords and such even if it.

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You can report them. Jagex will look at the report and ban the people. Any game show This Problems. Let see Any game on the internet can be problems. But who at fault? The parents or friends of the child. Why they dont teach them right from wrong to there children. If you have a father or mother saying cusswords it relects on a child then it shown in a game. I report people who cuss They will get them ban.

Now going this game is not teaching people things well. Let see Spelling and unterstanding people in other countrys. Oh let not forget Math. How many mithril plates will it take me to level me up to next level 85 smithing. I need to make 627 Mithril plate bodys and that requires 3135 mithril bars and 6270 coal for bars.. Here how. I use Blast furnace. so I need 2x coal so that equals 6270 coal and I need 3135 mithral bar. For plates devided by 5 which adds up to 627 mithral plates. Please tell me this is not learning.

Let see Flax cost 100gp each kids have to learn to caculate it if the person has 7500 flax how much it will be. Oh wait is this not learning. 100x 7500= 750,000 gp. Then make them into bowstrings 180gp each x 7500=1,350,000 gp

Please tell me this is not learning. If the child use a caculator it will not work or if you use Runescape forums http://runehq.com/calculators/rs2/ [...] e=smithing Put in Atol tonight.

Here what it also teaches. Race dont matter. There best friend could be the race they hate. Then find out there kind person that you learn to hate.
Is your Best friend. What will this teach a child. What it will teach is Color creed religion will not matter what will matter is Friendship.

Here what happen if someone brake the rule on the game they get black marks. and after 10 black marks they are ban. You know what I been playing for 5 years and I have no black marks.

Please read the rules on the game. People on this topic will understand what wrong and right. What the problem is is the people children or dumb adults who by pass the Rules are at fault Then start the game. That happen in any online game. Please if you know of a game that has had no problem Post them. I will prove you wrong. Dead Wrong.

So here are the problems

Children who have adults who show them the wrong in life. Foul toung and so on and it put in the game. They get ban I seen people work around the worlds like ( ! ) hole. or [) ick head. @$$ hole. This is where I report them. That what everyone in this game should do. But in most games it Oh well. So no one reports. Who is at fault. The person who dont report or the person with a bad Mouth and the parents who let this happen. DO NOT BLAME A GAME.

To Charles M. Kozierok. Do not blame the game Blame the parents who did not care about there children.

Reply to AtolSammeek

I bet my ass none of you have ever been in a decent clan, ever.

Reply to Runescaper

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So many people hide behind the stance "it’s just a game" as the writer stated, so is football. Does that make it above the rules? Does that mean the players are above reproach? Above being held responsible for their actions? No, it does not.

But... the assumption that football and MMORPGs are equivalent is slightly flawed. an MMORPG is an MMORPG. Football is football. War is war. Russian Roulette is Russian Roulette. Gambling is gambling.

You are assuming she was making them equivalent. She was using an analogy: games have rules... players should be responsible for their ractions. In other words...rules are rules.

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Fortunately by and large, consequences on an MMORPG remains largely online assuming the psyche of the individual is strong enough to handle the problems of griefing, addiction and the challenges of REAL LIFE.

I would say that that is probably the most important thing and should be plastered on the game packaging like the surgeon general's warning on cigarettes.

I do not believe Jagex ought to change anything they don't want to, but they should explicitly declare their game mechanics to the point it can be clearly understood what one stands to lose should they for example, step into a contested PVP area etc.

Hmmm did you read the article? That was the point of the article. Jagex makes the game innocuous in the parent guide, and doesn't follow its own rules.

Your first paragraph was unintelligible. Could you rephrase it? Not sure how you can say Jagex doesn't have to change what they don't want to, after saying they should be more specific in what game entails.

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Again, I strongly do believe by consenting to play one of these games, you are attesting that your psyche is strong enough to withstand said challenges and that you are consenting to be put up to said challenge.

There are kids under 5 to 12 who play the game. It has only been in the last year that Jagex caved to COPPA and made the signin 13+, and all characters made before had no age conditions.

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How ready teenagers are for a medium like this, I cannot say, I am no adolescent psychologist, and I would venture that games like this are a precedent in our day and age.

IMHO, with adequate parental regulation I feel a suitably researched MMORPG would be an acceptable entertaintment choice. I believe regulation is the job of the parent.

How can you suitably research a game when the reviews are made by children and the Jagex parent guide is all fluffy and incomplete. I suppose we might never know how they might be scarred for life by the games, either because they were too violent, allowed cheating and swearing, or worse, taught your child the wrong values that were carried into real life.

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As an aside, my online avatar would probably die of shame if my kid ever played anything as l4m3 as RS.

IMO WoW FTW. Nothing beats pwning the $h!t out of alliance on the BG's.

Hmmm you say you are an adult and then use l33t speak and say a naughty word. I hope that when you do have children, you will realize that you need to be a role model, and speak like an adult to be taken seriously as one.

Reply to paulyts50

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Now going this game is not teaching people things well. Let see Spelling and unterstanding people in other countrys. Oh let not forget Math. How many mithril plates will it take me to level me up to next level 85 smithing. I need to make 627 Mithril plate bodys and that requires 3135 mithril bars and 6270 coal for bars.. Here how. I use Blast furnace. so I need 2x coal so that equals 6270 coal and I need 3135 mithral bar. For plates devided by 5 which adds up to 627 mithral plates. Please tell me this is not learning.

Please tell me this is not learning. If the child use a caculator it will not work or if you use Runescape forums

You can learn to spell and learn English, I will grant you that, but being l33tspeak and teenage shorthand are most often spoken, you are learning slang more often that not.

Caculators are used by 99% of the community, and all window programs have them in accessories. The 1% who do not use them either do not know it is available, or cannot open a second window. You either have the math skills to do it by hand or you use a calculator. The game does not teach math.

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Here what it also teaches. Race dont matter. There best friend could be the race they hate. Then find out there kind person that you learn to hate. Is your Best friend. What will this teach a child. What it will teach is Color creed religion will not matter what will matter is Friendship.

The game does allow you to be with all kinds of people from all over the world. Should you learn to be tolerant because of that, wonderful! Few people tell you their colour, race or creed. but they may if you are close enough friends. I still have to say that the game does not teach tolerance, but as you say it is possible you can learn to be more so.

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Here what happen if someone brake the rule on the game they get black marks. and after 10 black marks they are ban. You know what I been playing for 5 years and I have no black marks.

They get muted and will be permanently muted for rule 1, and yes black marks can add up for other offences, but it may take 10 reports to get a black mark, depending on who is at the desk. Not all reports result in a black mark. Jagex can enforce the rules fairly well when it wishes to. There should be more consistancy so they can keep the community cleaner, rather then have it become infested with cheaters. Finally enforcing rule 2 will help, if it isn't already too late.

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Please read the rules on the game. People on this topic will understand what wrong and right. What the problem is is the people children or dumb adults who by pass the Rules are at fault Then start the game. That happen in any online game. Please if you know of a game that has had no problem Post them. I will prove you wrong. Dead Wrong.

We are speaking about Runescape here. The rules of this game are very specific, however Jagex was not following their rules. Part two will be out soon to elaborate.

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So here are the problems

Children who have adults who show them the wrong in life. Foul toung and so on and it put in the game. They get ban I seen people work around the worlds like *************. This is where I report them. That what everyone in this game should do. But in most games it Oh well. So no one reports. Who is at fault. The person who dont report or the person with a bad Mouth and the parents who let this happen. DO NOT BLAME A GAME.

No one blamed the game for allowing foul mouths to speak. The censor is fairly effective. I do need to point something out here. Why use those words here. We know what foul language is, so no need to elaborate. One thing I teach my child is that he must act the same way anywhere he goes on the internet as I would expect him to act in real life. (or I pull the plug on the Internet)

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To Charles M. Kozierok. Do not blame the game Blame the parents who did not care about there children.

Most parents do care about their children and would try to find information about the game. Charles has done a great job outlining the game and including those things Jagex neglected to tell parents in the parent's guide.

He does not blame the game for children's bad behavior, but when rule 2 was not being enforced, jagex condoned it. I will say it though. As an authority figure, Jagex condoned and contributed to bad behavior.

Reply to paulyts50

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IMHO, with adequate parental regulation I feel a suitably researched MMORPG would be an acceptable entertaintment choice. I believe regulation is the job of the parent.

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How can you suitably research a game when the reviews are made by children

I'm sorry, but that's the most ludicrous statement I've read yet! That's an insult to both gaming sites and magazines alike. I have read many reviews regarding Runescape and I'm 99.99% sure that none of them were written by children! Lol!

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Your first paragraph was unintelligible.

It made perfect sense to me. He was stating that players are fine as long as that person has a normal ability to handle the challenges of normal day to day problems that every human faces (unless they're over-sheltered and sensitive).

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Hmmm you say you are an adult and then use l33t speak

"l33t" speak? Lol.
"Hi, pot - this is kettle calling...."

Besides, at which point did using this style of writing denote that the user is not an adult? I have friends in their forties who type like this when on MSN and the like.

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I bet my ass none of you have ever been in a decent clan, ever

Hmm, how much is it worth? Can I pawn it? :wink:

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I would say that that is probably the most important thing and should be plastered on the game packaging like the surgeon general's warning on cigarettes.

I very much agree with this - however the problem arises that there IS no game packaging per se. It's a purely web based game. And it would be a bit odd to log into the main page of the site to see garish messages blotted everywhere. The first bite is with the eye, as they say. You don't want to scare people off with abounding "red tape" before they've even had a chance to find out what the game is about! Lol!

Hmmm - now here I will agree that I (and others) do seem to have gone a little off-topic so my apologies to the topic owners and let the article discussions continueth.

Reply to Arkhanaut

Charles,

Please may I ask just a couple of questions? These are completely sincere and it might help this thread with it's direction.

My questions are:

1) What would you say are your aims from the editorial you have written?
2) Who is the article written for?
3) What would be the desired effect of the article being written?
4) What can you advise people to do to change issues raised in your article?
5) Are the issues in the article likely to be resolved?

If these are answered within your article, I apologise if you will be repeating yourself. I felt it may be beneficial to everyone here to have a thought out response to questions that we've all been merely passing conjecture upon until now.

Reply to Arkhanaut

Arkhanaut , I refuse to argue with you as you seem to be a clone of a player from the Runescape forums. I consider him a troll as he derails conversation and flames rather then contributing. Your second post was at least thoughtful, if not entirely repetitive as his article is as clearly directed to parents. Knowing that, why do you keep coming back to taunt the writer?

I went to the gaming sites and read the reviews. The main page reviews are often a quick overview of the game, written when they first came out. I read the reviews on many sites, and read all of the reviews within those sites. I am an adult, and I certainly can tell when a child writes, as the spelling and poor grammar is a give away. Therefore, I can honestly say there are thousands of reviews on gaming sites that are written by children.

Reply to paulyts50

I cannot help if I am an accurate representation of a Runescape player since that is what I should be.

If it offends you that I am not willing to follow the crowd in different aspects then I sincerely apologise. I cannot help but debate points which I feel are either unjust or poorly represented.

That's not to say my own points are beyond reproof either - I am first to stand and say that sometimes my own views are probably wrong at times or slightly misguided in some areas.

When something so negative is provided with no counter-objectivity I feel the same passion that Charles feels, yet my own is that people should be provided with the whole picture and not necessarily one side.

I stand for what I feel is just and fair, and I do my best to be polite and try not to be offended by criticisms that I know will be directed back towards me.

So I apologise again if I have offended you in some way - I am not prone to generalised flaming; merely that perhaps this particular topic has provoked a deep feeling of injustice in me that I wish to make right.

Reply to Arkhanaut

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When something so negative is provided with no counter-objectivity I feel the same passion that Charles feels, yet my own is that people should be provided with the whole picture and not necessarily one side.

And therein lies the point. Everyone should be provided with the whole picture not simply the picture that Jagex wish to portray. It has been said before but i will say it again. There are enough articles and websites pointing out the positives. This shows some negatives. Wouldn't you says that helps to provide the whole picture?

Yes Charles could have written a 20 page article to show both sides. Firstly though, most people would be turned off by a 20 page article and secondly, if you want the positives, you can always visit the Runescape knowledge base.

Reply to Wildy

Here what I am seeing right now. More and More Parents use the computer as a Babysitter. Kids in The USA are getting fatter and have Medical Problems and short lives due to computer use. They don't play sports. Now who fault is it? The Mother, Father or Runescape. Sorry to say the Parents fault.

For Parents. Put your computer in the Living room. So you can watch your kids. Set windows so a child can not use the computer after bedtime. Parents still fall for this trick. I Meet people who only get 3 hours sleep dude playing computer Games.

Reply to AtolSammeek

I quit runescape like 3 or 4 years ago only because their updates were getting too lame (children-oriented if you will), not really catering to the high level audience. And maybe so you can get feedback from an old PKer, the reason why people do luring scams and such is because PKing (at least to my knowledge) hasn't been updated in ages in terms of expanding the wilderness, improving the combat system to a point where you don't have to run away from a fight you can just walk away. This was probably the main reason I quit, PKing was so shitty even with a 120 character with maxed out items

To be completely honest with you, the content of the game itself from my point of view is really "All ages", without a combat system there would be no players in the game, and the thieving skill is rather simple and innocent to a certain extent. The real problem is that the userbase is NOT Rated for all ages (but they can't and won't tell you that, since that's a factor they can't control and are not really advertising), what you have to remember is that jagex is only advertising the ingame content.

I used to play as one of the teen idiots that you mention in your article with no parent supervision, but hey... I turned out fine :wink: The problem that children have is that they can't see the difference between the game and reality (concept that I've been praising since I first started playing)

Since you play runescape, the only advice I can give you to keep your children safe is talk to them about what they did on the game everyday, watch them play, and if you consider it necessary use some kind of restrictive tool.

For an easy restrictive tool you can use McAfee Total Protection 2007 parental controls, I should know it because I had to turn them off (found them too damn invasive for only me using this PC).

Reply to emp

One thing about the wilderness. Ok if your level 10 a level 126 can not kill you in the wilderness. I beleave there like 12 level verys. They have to be 10 levels or exp level or closer.

Reply to AtolSammeek

....I'm sorry, what does that have to do with anything?

Reply to oSDarkness

My god, how ironic! Take a look at the advertisements that this forum randomly attaches at the end of the posts! 8O For those of you who don't want to waste your time looking at them, they are advertisement of some sites that sell Runescape gold for real life money. "Cheapest gold here 24/7 support. Instant delivery in 10 minutes!", "RS Gold/Powerleveling cheap" and stuff like that. What's even more ironic is that the ads mainly get attached to posts which criticise the game. I didn't actually first believe that there are organised companies making gold in the game and selling it for real money when I'd read the article, but now that I've seen Tomshardware's forum generate such adds it seems to be true.

Reply to Morton

MMORPGS are bound to have scammers and/or immature players in it, though I don't remember getting scammed (used to play Runescape, Guild Wars). I quit Runescape because it got boring and I quit Guild Wars after my guild got to rank 20 - we were really close but as more was at stake, people started getting irritable and dramas were happening all over the place. In the end we fell apart and I quit.

Scammers and dishonest/immature players are easy to avoid - simply ignore them and don't make friends with those types of people. I disagree that Runescape is teaching kids to be scammers and liars. After all, I've never scammed anyone.

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Reply to viky

wow I can't believe how worked up everybody is about this. You can tell we're in North America, I don't think there are many other areas of the world where people would be so upset about something so insignificant as this (or any) video game. I have never played runescape, but I am a fairly dedicated WoW player since November, and I have been a PC gamer for many years. Relax people, they're just words, and your kids will hear them. If you have not already taught them, then you can use such language in the game as a tool to teach them what is socially acceptable and when (in your personal opinion). Personally curse words do not bother me except in excess, but I recognize that others could disagree with me. I hope we all realize that trying to force others to your standards of behaviour/language/personality is really unecessary.

Really, what is everybody so worried about? Our children will be scarred for life and/or terible people because someone stole their stuff or killed them in a video game? If the game developer chooses to be strict with their rules or not is up to them. Quite frankly, with such a huge user base it is not surprising that many rule infractions go unpunished or ignored. WoW has a cussing filter as well, which I have turned off. I find people generally use cuss words when they wish to strongly emphasize something they are saying, and I am rarely bothered by it. In those few cases where someone is abnoxious or goes overboard with it, right click and mute. Done.

I get pk'd all the time in the pvp server I belong to by horde players, and sometimes it can be quite frustrating. However, over time I have learned that most of the time I am able to let it roll right off my back. A horde starts to attack me, I just stand there and let myself die most of the time. Maybe they still enjoy killing a target who is not defending themselves, but I find it's easier to step back and let it happen than get angry. Honestly, this is an attitude that took me a few years to develop in gaming, and some people really need to learn it. That's something I have found quite helpful for gaming in general, but in other frustrations and setbacks in life as well. Nothing is the end of the world.

Let's not encourage any gaming developer to try and make a super-conservative gaming environment where people are not free to express themselves and play the game in different ways. There are many gamers out there whom I do not like, but there are many helpful and great people out there as well. If there is a glaring obvious problem preventing LARGE NUMBERS of people from progressing in the game, that is certainly worth examining. There will always be a few people lagging behind or having trouble, but that's no reason to turn the gaming world upside down, especially for those who have played longer and are more dedicated and passionate.

Reply to torque79

I'm shocked. Not at the actions of those we can't control, but that a technical person (the writer) would be so negligent as to let his kids on an online game without having first spent time evaluating it.

I have kids and I'm an MCSE/MCT, longtime gamer and for 3 years a High School career center teacher. I was playing on BBS's and mainframes in the early 80's. Never once have I let my kids play online without first eval'ing the game/site. Even after that, I monitor what's going on.

Shame on him and every other parent who blames the host. It's sad that people like this can influence others with their misdirected blame. Blame yourself for not paying enough attention to your kids.

At the least, teach them how to deal with those "bad" people. Don't rush them away. One needs to teach their children, not hide them from the realities of life.

Reply to stromm

What I do not understand is if the person whom wrote the article about Runescape and the way it is bad for children believed what they said themselves why are they still playing. I am not defending it, i was an avid Runescape player myself before life didn't give me any free time. My point to this is that it is simply a game, YOUNG children should not be getting discouraged if they lose items, it has happend to a few friends of mine. They lose their items, and get back up and start working again, it instills a value in you, showing you that life is not always fair, and you must ALWAYS work for EVERYTHING, nothing is free.

What I am trying to say is, the article was wirtten truthfully, but Runescape is aimed at younger teens, as oppose to children, for the very reasons stated. Nothing is wrong with the game. Of course some people in the Runescape community enjoy taunting other, newer players. However that is why Runescape is equipt with both an Ignore option and a "Public Chat Off" option, both can be used if one is sick of taunting.

Finally, yes some people become addicted, yet I was an avid Runescape player since 2002 and played until 2006, in which case life became more hectic and i needed to push aside the games and look foward to the future. And yes, maybe YOUNG children become easily addicted to the game, but in truth it is the fault of the parents for not limiting their children on playing time. Instead of sitting your child down in front of that screen, perhaps they should of showed them what other activities life had to offer...that way addiction would not be a worry to any of those parents who think that computers and televisions are the "babysitters" of the 21st century

Reply to watdoitypehere

Runescape is just oh my god... There are scammers and hackers everywhere. Bunch of kids who are pissed off for no reason. It's like playing Halo2 on XBOX360 bunch of 10 year olds screaming. I used to play it I was in grade 6 (now in 10) jesus it was addicting. I had friends calling like 20 times a day asking for help. Other kid was sharing a account he pretended to get hacked just to try to get the account. I figured it out hacked him. Taunted him next day at school like crazy ended up with him crying from period 3 to the end of the school. Crazy adventure... My stance on this game is KILL IT. This one of the better turnouts. The worst my friend took his moms credit card subscribed his account to members. Some kid in Canada commited sucide after he got hacked. Kids get addicted to it and don't see into the future of it what happens after you get to level 160 or something? NOTHING you keep playing for no point. They spend days straight on it. This game should at least make people pay for it so kids can be kept out of it or limit it to 18 year olds or something.

Reply to itotallybelieveyou

Wildy wrote :

So many people hide behind the stance "it’s just a game" as the writer stated, so is football. Does that make it above the rules? Does that mean the players are above reproach? Above being held responsible for their actions? No, it does not.

I said a long time ago (in an RS thread that was quickly hidden) that Jagex has created a monster that they cannot and choose not to control. They have the power to clean up this community, yet they choose not to.

The community within Runescape is steadily going downhill and very few seem to care. What I fail to understand is why people seem to think that this is ok. Everyone states that’s it’s a game, that’s its not real. Well I’m real and I play this game. The community within Runescape is very real and to hide behind weak excuses is shameful.

Apparently many MMORPG's are like this, well I want to know who will be the first to step up to the plate. Who will acknowledge that these places are more than simply games, because of the communities that have been created within them and therefore a responsible stance must be taken.

I don't feel that the whole game needs to be rewritten to make it completely educational. That’s taking a little too far. Thieving, killing people and monsters can all be put into context for a child. However fixing the lax reporting system, the disgusting talk in popular places, scamming, cheating, disregard for the rules and so much more could bring this game to a respectable level.

I fully believe Jagex needs to stop with the god complex. I really feel they are currently to full of themselves to see beyond the next update. They offer me no reason to think otherwise. Open the game let the honest players help them. Increase the level of Gold and Silver Moderators to levels never seen before. From 9 million players surely they are at least a few hundred thousand genuine people.

Will Jagex be the first to really open their eyes, to take a walk through this virtual world, completely open to what they are seeing? To make honest judgments about this ever changing world they have created. Do they have what it takes to become not only the biggest MMORPG in the world, but the best?

As use of the Internet grows, games like this are going to become alot more popular, for children and adults alike. With popularity, comes scrutiny, they cannot hide forever.

It's ignorant comments like this that spur me to register and rant about it. *Sigh* First of all, I can see clearly why Jagex hid your thread. If I had a dollar for every argument as stupid and without proof as this one, I would be very poor indeed. Learn your facts before you choose to abuse Jagex. I am a player moderator, and I see every day the kind of things our jagex team has to deal with. How is it they choose not to clean up the community, when there are innumerable player mods, and Jagex mods going personally ingame at least 3 times a day for hours at the time to clean up bad behavior and autoing programs? How is it that all the latest updates are geared towards players' safety and happiness, instead of just game updates? How is it that the High and Mighty God-Complex-Stricken Jagex mods have time to chat with the lumbridge nooblets? Think about what you say before you post a comment in response to a hidden thread.

Reply to Easonred57

I also had to register just so I can post a response to this very flawed article. Here are just some of the problems that I had with the article:
First, when is the last time that anyone played RuneScape, or any video game for that matter, because of educational purposes? Anybody will say that they play because they want to have fun.
Next, there's no real violence; they're far apart and the only "violence" are colored splashes with numbers on them and a green and red bar on top. Compared to many other video games (Half-Life, Resident Evil, etc.), the "violence" on RuneScape is extremely mild.
Third, he keeps on complaining that no one is really friendly on that game. Quite a few people are not friendly; not that much different than real life on a normal day (which, I will agree, is not welcome).
Fourth, how can he say that the game is horrible because of Hunter and Thieving? There was plenty of that before RuneScape was even created and is still happening today from people who haven't even touched the game.
Fifth, scamming is the same. We all have seen at least one person in real life who jacks up the price to make some extra cash (gas stations, for example; prices will be going up and up to take advantage of the situation). So, there's really no reason for him to sound surprised that people on RS do the same (which, once again, is a bit unpleasant).
Sixth, he's surprised that Jagex doesn't enforce the rules. We don't have a government that enforces every single rule right down to the letter. Law enforcement is far from perfect in many places, so why is it such a shocker for him here?
Lastly, he says how kids are getting transformed by this game because they spend so much time on RS. If it's such an issue, then parents should get involved. Don't blame the game for something that had nothing to do with the problem. But, let's blame the game; God forbid the parents do anything about watching over their kids and making sure that they are in an appropriate environment.

After saying all of that, I can see on where he has a few problems with the game, but the problems are not as horrible as he makes them out to be. I would know because I play the game. By the way, playing only Guild Wars does not give you the right to comment on another game until you play it.

Message edited by thedarkside9 on 01-09-2008 at 10:59:12 PM

Reply to thedarkside9

ok i hav read this message about rs being negative... but i hav to rely reply and this reply can be a bit long as i will go through every page, n tell my point of views plus my own personal story, i hav learned from this game...so those who dont ply might not know wat im talkin about...

1st page

u said ppl has tried to little avail to get Jagex to clean RuneScape up- but think about this for a moment, think of any other gaming creators who dont wan to fix their game for the better plessure of it's players? so in rs,why dont jagex wan to make a game that the players can keep plyin on and on and eventually buyin the members acc

u said runescape has a lot of young players- yes i agree with u but think of it, rs is a game that required alot of thinking and alot of planning to get far in the game, if not then they'll be thinking its like just another game thats fun for the young ones
example: my brother which is 10 but started when 9 is rely poor in plyin tis game, hes a lvl 78 but without a ful rune... so to say, he hav nth to cheat out of or scam or lure of from... this goes to my cousin which is the same age as my bro is... (so wat can they contribute to the game or the community in the game, most of these rolls are taken up by the more mature players who can think and plan and gather and ect..)

u said children as young as five are plyin,yes true and they are exposed to the abusive words that others players are usin, so they can learn and eventually use it....... think it through... if they dont learn from runescape, they can learn from other website or even from movies so dont blame on rs alone

so the last paragraph of urs sayin children that been betrayed, cheated, verbally abused or killed by another player and also state the negative consequences can have a lasting impact.- i can tell u when i started plyin rs im only 13 but--

i hav been cheated , someone tells me to giv him the item now and he'll pay back later but i followed him even as he pass a bank and he still wont giv me the payback i deserve, this i learned and never get cheated off again.

i hav been verbally abused, i can say these abuse can reli get my morale down low but if anyone can let those words make u a loser in life, never wanted to get hurt like that again, well i can say that its the players own mind who cant handle such things and so a mentel breakdown,( this wont just be done in rs, other games, even real life can do such things to u) so that u can be well perpared when u go out and face the real world later on. well i guess u might be asking wat about the small children, such small children cant tell most of the talks and understand that it 'should' take u down on the inside, (they just dont understand them) even for those who can understand, they would be able to learn not to as said above, (hey man if they are mature enuf to understand, they are mature enuf to avoid it)

i hav been lured, betrayed, and ultimately killed my them, lost all my things ( for i put all my money to buy the amour and weapons ) but i hav learned my lesson and never been done to ever again, the ability to learn from past mistakes should be learn here but not in the real world as they will hurt alot more then the game but if u get backstab by others in real life and lost ur fortune, u might consider to kill ur self, even i lost those things in the game it is hurtful enuf that i begged for him to return it, and feel down for days after that for he dint, i can't even think about wat i will do if i dont learn this from the game and reli done it in real life..??
want i learn after that, that can help me in my life, i learn to plan ahead (to get more money like combining skills to make items which is valuble to sell i actually stay up at night tryin to get a good stratagy to make money ), be aware of the ppl around me about they sincerity, so that i dont get easily cheated or talked into
think about it, whoever hav a ful rune and gets lured and killed for it in wildy, just because he or she dont know anything about wildy and that u can atk other players is either dumb (for getting so far in the game but dont go explore everything in the world and know the functions of them) or stupit ( for getting so far but never explore and understand ur surroundings) these ppl are extremely rare and these mistakes are most likely to happen in their life again if they dont learn from it...

damn i get tired even after so short of a reply... so i'll just skip through the pages and tell the main points...

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nth to say it just an overview

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been call noob anoys younger players.. like i said above...
i cannot agree with ur large percent of the players are rude... i found they are quite nice to talk to, plus i hav never seen more then 5% of the players of RS swearing to someone who was asking for guideince in this game yes jagex has blocked the use of sex in the game but if ur 'somehow twisted' children wants to talk about those things, no website are save from them..!!yes ur child might heard they say things but with all the blocks on the words in those subjects, ur child cannot understand wat the more older players are talking about to each other so wat they dont understand they'll ask u or go find other website to help them then from then on it's ur fault not RS!
the female thing again...well... i can say that after i got my main acc hacked( which is my fault for not plyin the acc for a long time resulting in my online fren taking the acc as his own...) and lose about 3mil (this is free server so u say tell how hurtful it can be, its only at a young lvl of 60) i started another acc as female avatar but i rely dint get much harrasment (i even get amasement that a girl can beat them, but i never tell them i was a male...) that can drive my to insanity so sayin that they hav to use male avatar to keep their sanity is way off the line buddy yes i might get some question asking if i hav a boyfriend.. so even if i give diffrent answers like 'yes' and 'no, but im not intersted' they dont follow u around and begging to be their gf.. lol even if they does y dont those girl smart enuf just ignore them (for being a rare occation) and just change world u'll never meet them again

ironicly i forgot about ur 5.4m thing... but it was my fault i got scamed so i learned from it like i said in page1 if u can get that far in the game u'll considered a good player, which meens ur muture for a kid and can deal with it unlike most kid...,but if it gets u down and makes u a loser in life later on , maby u are rely born to be 1...

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wat the hell, ¿let me ask u, wat rpg game dont hav any killing of anything in them?
they(kid) should know about the 'townsperson'(npc) u can kill and those u cant (real players) if not they wont be plyin the game in the 1st place..and talking about the evil mage quest... which i dont know about cos im a f2p members but ur kid should know wat is the diffrent between good and bad man wth..!! even the name tells u that it is an EVIL mage..
about the hunter skill .......... i hav nth to add cos i cant think of anyway to put wat is in my mind and that it also stun me that they can even suggest animal cruelty in a game..!!??
thieving skill... well like ealier on when u get so far in the game u should be able to think for ur self wat is right and wrong... how many incidents can u see from any news that kids hit ppl over their heads to steal from them..? and if they does learn from the game is the parent fault cos they are the ones payin for it without checking the game but like i said they can think u dumb @%$..

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like i said earlier on if they can go so far in the game.......bla bla bla, but to a new player, they get to learn from their mistakes of all the possible ways ppl can trick u oh yeah highly tune killing machines, my smallest brother is making his pure acc to kill other noobs in the game but sadly when he is nearing his goal and started to own and kill, jagex change the pvp system!!
talk about lying.. ppl will keep on lyin... i think even u ly to ur kids so that they can go or follow ur way rite.. when they learn from this, ..... well u cant reli blame rs for this
like i said if u get so far in the game that means u understand how things works in rs, these quest can challange ur kid to try to get a safe way to get the item, which may include finding a vry few players world, not bring valubles to die.. and so on..

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500m for a hat...lol dont buy it then...but i dont think ur kids is smart enuf to even cheat their way to get 1 of those hats, even if they can u should reli be thinking about putting them in a special school for the gifted, (even most of the hackers, cheaters, ect. who are more older then ur kid wants to get it but fail to ur kid lol..) that just wont happen... but teaching them to cheat is wrong too............ but jagex or RS dint teach them how to cheat..so u cant reli say anything about it.... i mean jagex is only putting these items as a goal for the mature players to get once they get so much money and keep them intersted plus u cant just delete a valuble item when u stop givin them out, thats just not rite...lol u said ur youngs need 1 of these rares ended up quitting the game, isn't that wat u wanted?

page7-

oh ya addicting to a game... i was once addicted to that game, i think of it night and day, even if i dont ply it but wat i think of is the main point, i think of how can i get moer money or get lvl faster, the fastest way of finishing a quest and so on.... see these actually helps ur kid developes a deep thinking ability...plus tell me wat mmorpg game is not addicting?? and isn't the parent choice's and guidance(for the faking sick part) for the amount of time ur kid plys...? like i was sayin i was addicted to it cant focus in class, cant sleep in the night, so my parents stop me from plyin the computer for 3 months.. so that result in my main acc lost to one of my fren as i said earlier on...but that dint stop me...i still plys...and my result is looking up too

page8-

ahh... gambling... well gambling is a fact of life, even if u dont gamble like in those game, u still need to gamble in life, i cant giv u an example cos i dont hav experience in this but try u think of the many(im sure u'll hav) desicions that u gamble and hope it works out... and u say about they fake website... i ratter my kids cry from losing my money in hope of 'game cash' or cry about their hacked acc then cry to me when they're older that they get cheated by other website/ppl of their money
and wat cheat can ur kid learn from rs? autotypers? well think of it this way... it is been used my almost all the merchant in runescape and jagex just let it slip, they dont ban or do anything, so tell me is it agaisnt any law, for these is no law ( lol- i dont hav a autotyper i hav an auto spammer... it lets u hav 5 different sentance to be auto type for u if u press the right button so u dont get caught)

page9-

this issues on this page is all explained on top

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the story of the kid getting backstab sounds familiar oh ya i get backstabed too (he has asked me for the acc when one day i sneak online i said no but he took it anyway)but hes only a kid he'll learn to trust the right kind of ppl maby later on but he'll learn real soon
i dint get these feeling and i dint learn from it till i was a teen so after a few years i can tell whos my real frens and whos is not.. good for me eh... thank u 'almost lifelike games'
well ur bro steals after plyin rs..... sry to tell u that ur bro is a little (how do i put this nicely) 'weak' in his mind not to tell the difference between reality and fantasy

thats all hope anyone can tell me ur point of views on my reply... wow this is damn long isn't it..

Reply to cyriltys

Personally, I find this entire article ridiculous. It seems to me to be an attack on a game simply for the sake of attacking it, because it coincides with what the author's profession requires them to do. Nitpicking at every possible downside to an online game, assuming that the children who play are completely niave to the way the world works, and, to be completely honest, not even bothering to make an attempt to get to know this community they degrade so much in their writing.

As a Player Moderator on Runescape, I see rule-breaking more than most players, and more often than not I see the players around the rule-breaker looking at the offender in disdain. They report him/her, tell him/her to stop, in short: They recognize that what the person is doing is wrong, and they genuinely dislike the person for doing it. It almost seems the opposite reaction as described in this completely biased article. Rulebreaking never goes without punishment, especially in light of the harsh new changes Jagex has put in place. Rulebreaking in the game also never comes easily, or with much benefit. Yes there are indeed scammers and lurers (Or were lurers, seeing as the "Evil" that is the Wilderness has been removed recently) but they are almost always caught and banned. As the author of this thread would most likely agree, "Children are like sponges". They see people getting banned for doing something wrong, they recognize that it's bad, and that it's not worth the risk.

I should also like to point out that many of the author's claims about how children will suffer emotionally because of the rulebreakers in the game is ridiculous. If the player is 13 years of age, as Jagex requires, they should be mature enough at that point to understand that they are little digital pictures. If the player is mature enough to play the game, they are mature enough to not be emotionally upset when something goes wrong. If a player is not mature enough to play the game, and if a parent does not teach their children right from wrong, of course that child will be influenced by the game! But whose fault is that? Certainly not Jagex's. Their parent guide is more than satisfactory, and most intelligent parents would watch their children play for the first few days to see if the game is too much for their child to handle. In other words: The parent has more than enough resources to make an intelligent decision, and so if the child is playing the game before they are ready, it is not the game's fault.

Dying in the game is never fun, but it's not traumatizing. Being "backstabbed" is rare, and even to the point of impossible with the new changes. Even the so called "gambling" is a ridiculously far-fetched claim that can only slightly relate to the reality of the game. You kill monsters (Most all of them evil monsters, none of the good monsters can be killed or drop anything worthwhile enough to be killed) in an attempt to get their treasure. Is that not the premise for Dungeons and Dragons, most every Console-RPG game, shooters (Kill a person, take their gun), and a variety of fantasy novels? To call it gambling is...for lack of a word that won't be redundant, ridiculous! You are not "gambling", you're testing your own smarts and your character's ability. More often than not the question is not how long you can stay, it's whether or not you'll win even once! To assume that each and every player who kills a monster will become addicted to "gambling" is beyond biased, it's clearly an attack on the game.

In addition, I would like to say that some of my best friends are friends found on this game. Every time I contemplate quitting the game (As of late I do find myself on the forums of the game as opposed to in-game) I immediately discard the notion because of the people I'd be leaving behind. The Clan Community is beyond mature, I know many adults who would view the teenagers in those forums with respect. They have complex rules, "Ladders" (Places where the "Clans", which are groups of players who collectively do activities under a single name, fight eachother for rankings) that truly are more organized than many real-life activities sponsored by adults are, and unions. Unions are like a clan for clans, a larger version of government where the clans join the union similar to the way the states would join a country. The lifestyle there is complex, mature, and still one of the most entertaining experiences of my life.

The Player Moderator community, even, is great. Whacky, to be sure, but we all love our cookies, don't we? (You'd only get that if you played Runescape...) Player Moderators are looked up to as role-models, and nearly every person I meet has at least once said that they make it a goal to become a Player Moderator. Keep in mind that Player Moderators are hand-picked people who have shown a great attitude and knowledge of the rules. If so many people strive to have great attitudes and follow the rules, surely the author has somehow gone awry in their almost frightening description of the game?

My point is: The author looked for the bad, and completely ignored the good in the game. They made it their goal to find things to criticize, all the while completely taking for granted everything that makes the game redeemable. This was a blatant attack on the game that is completely unnecessary and unfounded. Had they actually made an attempt to join a clan, instead of prematurely assuming the Clan Community as a bunch of barbaric nitwits, I'm sure the author would have completely rewritten the article. It makes no sense to me how somebody could so thoroughly decimate a game's reputation but not even begin to take into account the number of quality factors that make the game so popular. The interaction, the lessons learned (And not through some emotional trauma, as the author so niavely insists), and the friends made make this game one of the most enjoyable experiences of my entire life. I will never forget it.

Reply to aethernum

This entire article...I read it through again in complete disbelief. It's an unfounded attack, nothing more.

Reply to aethernum

If you really were a player moderator who had played for any length of time, you would know that not only was each point valid, but nearly every point has been addressed since this article and the second one were written.

This was written by a parent who felt that Jagex not following their own rules (making luring legal and refusing discussion on the matter) was the last straw and madethe game a a haven for cheaters, scammers and lurers.

All your flowery talk shows you were not paying attention... as is the case with most player mods. You would have to be a fairly new player, playing with chat off or ignoring what is going on around you to have not seen these issues.

Also, I have never once seen a Jagex mod in 5 years playing, so just because you read in your forum that mods are in game does not mean they are to any extent! They are NOT!

Reply to paulyts50

I personally became a member on this site because I thought that this "article" was the worst thing I have ever read. I think it sound more like a rant then an article though...

First of all he addresses the fact that girls are constantly harassed. He says the boys are constantly asking for girls to take part in a relationship. I am a 14 year old boy and I can remember several times being asked by girls to take part in some relationship. Maybe its more then just male on female harassment....

He also goes off on the wilderness. I personally have been taken and killed several times in the wilderness. But like life, in the game, it’s a live and learn situation. After the second time of being taken to the wilderness and being killed, I stayed away. Plain and simply YOU DO NOT have to enter. Since this has been written the wilderness has been removed but still. Think about it. Stick a penny in an outlet and get shocked. You won't do it again. Come on if rats can do it in labs, then you can too!

Rares: highly desired items. Wouldn’t we all like one? But is the game really the one teaching this? Tell me that your kids have never wanted something and have stopped at nothing to get it. Go ahead, I won't believe you. Besides haven't we all wanted something in our life times? Many times while wishing about something your kids are right there. My mom does it ALL THE TIME! If you talk about something that you can't pay for but deeply desire, you’re teaching your kids that. Kids see that it is ok to wildly dream. When they do it on Runescape wanting a blue party hat, it's just like you want something in the real world.

Addiction is a problem with all mmorpgs, I admit at times I didn't want to stop playing. Most players do not ended up like what happens in the south park episode" make love not Warcraft" though. On the subject of Warcraft though, look at how many people are addicted to it.... maybe things like that happen else where then Runescape, too.

To finish this off, Personally, I think the writer of this was just an angry player who wasn't smart enough not to get scammed so decided to write a terrible article complaining. I can remember him saying that he is a father of two. Don't fathers have better things to do then play on the computer anyway? Last of all though, I have to say this, If you don't like the game environment, you don't have to play.

Reply to roccer33

Worst than MMORPGs, is thread necromancy.

Honestly guys, of course this thread is a mess. It is freaking OLD !!!

Bad, bad, necros.

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Reply to radnor

stfu i luv rs!!! im 10! :fou: :fou: :fou: :fou: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

Reply to sirdoomkill9

As an Ex-runescape gamer, I only played this because it was the first MMORPG game i found. Then I found World of WarCraft, and nearly fainted by the graphics. Soon after, I quit runescape. I might have still played, but all the abusive players and lack or JaGex support left me feeling abandoned, and I never went to the site again after hearing about the riots. Little known fact, Jagex banned about 5,000 players after the first day of the riot.

It also seems that player mods (people JaGex hires for free to save on money rather than hiring professionals with training) are defending Runescape, but seriously, I found it quite true. I have seen so much abuse from Runescape players, and I never got ONE letter from any JaGex support staff.

Message edited by Apomonomenos on 09-21-2008 at 01:04:53 AM

Reply to Apomonomenos

I couldn't help but notice, but he said that children as young as five are sitting at this game, but there is a minimum age requirement of 12years old to play RuneScape. If a five-year-old is playing, it is the fault of the parent not the child if he gets his poor little feelings hurt online.

Reply to lovian_dark

radnor wrote :

Worst than MMORPGs, is thread necromancy.

Honestly guys, of course this thread is a mess. It is freaking OLD !!!

Bad, bad, necros.

Reply to pr2thej

Jagex shouldn't be caring be 5 years old, it's as simple as that. There is no need to care for them because it is against the rules for them to play on all severs apart from the controlled quick chat severs.

Being killed is part of the game, imagine Halo without being allowed to harm. There shouldn't be Runescape police, it's is easy enough to look out for yourself and it's all common sense anyway.

The question here is why 5 years olds are spending hours a day playing but going unnoticated? Call social services not Jagex.

Reply to Anonymous

The real question now is how old will these kids be once people stop digging up this thread?

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Reply to purplerat

Hey what about just you bunch of people stop talking about this article? The author can say what we want, players who like runescape and wish to swim in the so called "dangerous" waters in Gielinor, they can go on ; for those who objected against this game, I can pretty much say this is NO USE at all, even how much you say about this game's bad things, the number of players won't change, and it is entirely impossible that the game will be closed.

Let's make this clear, if you don't like the game, simply stop your child from playing it and in the future never make contacts with the game again. The gamers are not, of course, to blame, they didn't force the players to play the game, it is the player's decision to start their accounts. Pretty simple, isn't it? All those dicussion here are rather pointless, I may say, they won't change the facts.

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