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My Elite red ringed on me on the 1st of this month, but it has yet to do it again. I believe it was a glitch caused by a demo crashing, but it was still quite scary. I haven't had any problems with my 360 otherwise, but I kind of like the PS3 more in certain cases. It's much quieter, it can play blu-ray movies, has a web browser among other extras, and it has some neat features through remote play with a PSP. Of course, when it comes to actual games I generally play the 360 more for multiplayer, because Warhawk simply isn't as entertaining as Halo 3. If I'm playing alone, I generally prefer the PS3 as I find Uncharted to be quite a lot of fun. As far as processing power, the Xbox360 has an undeniably more advanced GPU than the PS3, but the Cell processor in the PS3 can make up for the GPU shortcomings if utilized properly. Another issue though for the PS3 is the 512MB being split between the GPU and CPU unlike the 360's unified design. That's not to say that the 360 is without flaws though; while the 10MB of eDRAM does offer antialiasing at next to no performance penalty, the frame buffer has already proven to be too small in some cases and image tiling can become necessary.

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The 360 hands down. The controller is better and the games are so much better.

One thing u have to think about though is the Cell. It has like 7 activated processors on it. The PS3 has much more power than the 360, just current game developers don't know how to utilize it. The PS3 is a better choice for the future. The 360 is getting an update called Jasper which will basically solve all the RRoD problems by reducing the nm size of the graphics card, which was the heart of the problem. Wait until Jasper.

Also, if money isn't an object, why do u not want it for only a few games?

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tallguy1618 wrote :

The 360 hands down. The controller is better and the games are so much better.

One thing u have to think about though is the Cell. It has like 7 activated processors on it. The PS3 has much more power than the 360, just current game developers don't know how to utilize it. The PS3 is a better choice for the future. The 360 is getting an update called Jasper which will basically solve all the RRoD problems by reducing the nm size of the graphics card, which was the heart of the problem. Wait until Jasper.

Also, if money isn't an object, why do u not want it for only a few games?



Yes the cell is better than power pc core in the 360, but the GPU in the ps3 is much worse than that of the 360. Oh and if you were wandering the 360 has 6 threads running on its processor as well, but i dont want to get into the techinical differences between the 2. The cell if programmed right for merely makes up the difference for the lack of GPU power in the ps3...in relation to the 360. Once again, do not buy into the marketing hype...of either system.

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I'm also wondering about this. And, I can't fully decide. I'm edging on the 360 though. Anyone give me some advice for my situation?

First and foremost, I can't play online, so Live vs PSN doesn't matter.

Graphics I don't care hugely for, I don't have a HD TV.

Blu-Ray is sorta edging me towards the PS3, although I don't have an HD TV, and I don't buy movies much. That said, aren't PS3 games on Blu-Ray, 360 still on DVD?

I would guess in the long run, once developers work out how to get the most out of the PS3, it will be more powerful. But ATM, they are even.

The 360 controller feels nice, plus I can use it on PC.

And, of course, the 360 is cheaper, and the games are cheaper.

The main thing for me are the actual games. I do most gaming on my PC, especially FPSs/RTSs, but some I prefer consoles (racing, fighting, action etc normally). I'm mainly getting one for GTA4 and Soul Caliber 4, which are on both. PS3 has some good exclusive games (Uncharted for example) and many more upcoming (GT5, Killzone 2, MGS4, Haze, Time Crisis 4). 360 has some pretty good exclusives (from what I've heard) already, such as Halo 3, Gears of War (although I'd get it on PC), Forza and many more.

Thoughts?

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Drakelet wrote :

I'm also wondering about this. And, I can't fully decide. I'm edging on the 360 though. Anyone give me some advice for my situation?

First and foremost, I can't play online, so Live vs PSN doesn't matter.

Graphics I don't care hugely for, I don't have a HD TV.

Blu-Ray is sorta edging me towards the PS3, although I don't have an HD TV, and I don't buy movies much. That said, aren't PS3 games on Blu-Ray, 360 still on DVD?

I would guess in the long run, once developers work out how to get the most out of the PS3, it will be more powerful. But ATM, they are even.

The 360 controller feels nice, plus I can use it on PC.

And, of course, the 360 is cheaper, and the games are cheaper.

The main thing for me are the actual games. I do most gaming on my PC, especially FPSs/RTSs, but some I prefer consoles (racing, fighting, action etc normally). I'm mainly getting one for GTA4 and Soul Caliber 4, which are on both. PS3 has some good exclusive games (Uncharted for example) and many more upcoming (GT5, Killzone 2, MGS4, Haze, Time Crisis 4). 360 has some pretty good exclusives (from what I've heard) already, such as Halo 3, Gears of War (although I'd get it on PC), Forza and many more.

Thoughts?



If I were in your situation I would probably go with the 360. I can tell you already atleast prefer the controller and there are more games for it. Also, in general...right now, when a game is made for both consoles and released at a similar time for both it generally is made better for the 360 due to the ease of programming in comparison to ps3.

I wouldn't expect any real price difference between the games on the systems as they both sell their games for $60.

There are many good exclusives for both, but more currently that are out for the 360 and as you said the system is marginally cheaper. The blueray would be a plus for a few reasons. 1.) Blue ray, 2.) upscaling of old dvd's, but you not having an HDTV negates that, but if your looking into it for the future then well this may be something you may want to think about in your decision.

I have both consoles and love both, but the 360 currently is a better choice if you are going with just one imo. Forza is awesome by the way lol. I cant wait to see what GT5 has in store for us. I hope Forza 3 visually is as good as GT5 since I personally believe that the Forza team has the physics part of the game down the best, but I could be proved wrong in the next installment of GT.

Hope this helps man!

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Thanks 3Ball!

I am very tempted by the 360. I think the only real thing pushing me the PS3 way is the fact that it's Blu-Ray (movies, plus in theory better games) and that it does have more processing power, so eventually, in theory, better games.

BTW, in the UK the prices are ~£30 for 360 and ~£40 for PS3, or at least what I've seen.

Reply to Drakelet

Probably too late to influence your decision by now.

I would get a PS3 without a doubt because it can double up as a Blu-ray player.

And I hate Microsoft ... sorry :( Besides, it is time for Sony to finally win the format war.


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Not too late for mine. :) Although your arguments aren't the strongest. :P

Reply to Drakelet

I really like my 360 - even though I just got a high-spec pc.

I had to return a couple of 360s to be repaired but it's totally free and only takes a week or 2. When it works, it works - I haven't experienced lock-ups whilst in the middle of a game.

I don't think my 360 gets very noisy / hot. Just keep it in a ventilated area. The newer 360s being released now should be even better than mine (as they will have the smaller die CPU, which generates less heat). I think the Elite is not produced anymore and the Premium has turned into the Elite.

The PS3 is has a very strange processor (CELL). Many developers say that the 360 is much easier to develop for - easier to make the most of it's assets.

There is a Blu-Ray add-on coming for 360 soon.

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A Blu-Ray addon? That sounds good. Maybe they'll be able to make games on it too? *Hopeful thinking* But then again, why would Microsoft use Sony tech? I suppose now HD-DVD has died they don't really have a choice.

Hmm. Now the question is if I can hold off buying a 360 until the new one (with built-in Blu-Ray) comes out. Which would be after GTA4 and SC4. Damnit.

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I'm an avid PC and console gamer, for me the obvious choice is the PS3 if you have a gaming quality PC. The reason for this being my choice, which I'm going to purchase sometime during the summer when I don't have classes. Here are my reasons why.

1. The PS3 has both Native HDMI and Wireless capabilities with the 40GB $399 model, in order to get the same out of the 360 you'd need to buy the Elite edition ($449) and the Xbox wireless adapter ($89)

2. Blu-ray playback. Plain and simple, Blu-ray has pretty much won the format war and to even get HD playback on the 360 I would have to dish out 449+89+89(was $179 before HD-DVD died)

3. Most good Xbox exclusives come out for PC, which is my gaming platform of choice for most games, especially RPG and FPS games. Where as more games that don't come out for PC come out for PS3 (Japanese game makers especially)

4.Wireless Rock Band -pretty much the main reason I'm getting a console is to play Rock Band, wires would be annoying as hell when having the full setup going.

If you don't have a gaming worthy PC, than the Xbox 360 is a more lucrative choice. Also, depending on your age, Xbox Live is good. I can't stand it personally, too many annoying 12-year olds screaming into the mic.

Reply to IndigoMoss

Bluray on xbox? can you confirm this please! sounds really good! thanks

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This is a tough decision however with the price of the PS3 ($499) I would rather get a 360 ($350) and a Wii ($250) for a hundy more. You will be able to play far more games then you would with the PS3 by it's self.

I own all 3 (I'm lucky I know) and I will say the PS3 is a killer blu-ray player/dvd up converter but for games... I'm still waiting!!!

I'm sure M$ will add a BD player, the question is at what cost? Under $200 I think it's in great shape over $200 and I think the 360 becomes a harder sell.

Just my 2 cents.

Flame if you must but honestly I don't care which system comes out on top. I still don't know why people must only pick one to like. Single minded I guess.

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"The xbox 360 is plagued by hardware problems games like halo 3 crash, crash ,crash you don't have problems like this on the ps3.

My nephews got a 360 for xmas they play a game for 10 mins CRASH, reset lol i think ill keep my ps3 thank you. "

The 3 ring of death issue that "plagued" the 360 is not an issue with the latest hardware rev which has been out for almost a year now. I wouldn't use that as a reason not to buy one. Plus M$ still gives you a 3 year warranty which is 100x better than the wii or ps3 90 day warranty.

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"1. The PS3 has both Native HDMI and Wireless capabilities with the 40GB $399 model, in order to get the same out of the 360 you'd need to buy the Elite edition ($449) and the Xbox wireless adapter ($89) "

Lots of bad info in these posts. 360 Premium has had "native" HDMI support for almost a year now.

Anyone want to tell me what "Native HDMI" is? I know a lot about HDMI and i've never knew there was an HDMI that wasn't "Native". Just busting your balls man I know what you meant.

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Native means without the use of adapter (Mostly applies to PC), and I didn't know that the Premium now supports HDMI, due to my brother saying that he bought the Elite because of the HDMI adapter. Anyways, my point still stands, even if it is less significant than it was before. Thanks for clearing that up though Livingdead.


Message edited by IndigoMoss on 02-19-2008 at 04:45:28 AM
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All Xbox 360 Premiums manufactured after July 2007 have native HDMI (that is a built in HDMI port).

And here is a news article from yesterday about Blue-Ray support on the Xbox 360: http://news.zdnet.com/2100-9584_22-6231009.html

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As an owner of both systems I'd have to say I prefer my PS3.

The PS3 is more expensive but then again, the Xbox is only cheaper because you have to buy everything separately. Separate wireless controller, separate hd-dvd drive, separate wireless network dongle, Xbox live subscription, etc. Not to mention that the hardware is older and not as good.

The interface on the PS3 is better. The xbar is far cleaner and easier to user than the Xbox dashboard. The PS3 console itself is far better looking. And the controller - The xbox (original) controller was absolutely awful and they improved it for the 360 by making it more like the PS controllers - but then switched the left stick with the dpad for "originality" which is just awkward and un-necessary looking. The 360 controller just feels like one of those 3rd party cheap versions of a PS controller.

There are less games for the PS3 for now - but that's only because the Xbox has been out for longer and all new games on the market or coming soon are coming out for both systems (with obvious exceptions).

Then there's the whole hd-dvd/bluray thing - as has been decided over the last week, hddvd is out and bluray won that fight. But that's only relevant if you pay the extra 200 euro for a hddvd on your 360.

Xbox live is better than PSN. For now. But then, it's a paid service. Sure it's only $50 a year but I've had my xbox for over 2 years now. That's a $100 difference in cost between the 2 systems already.

And then there's the hardware problems. The failure rate of 360s is still 1 in 6 consoles. And even when they don't completely fail they have multiple other problems. Most recently, mine keeps telling me that I need to put the games I'm trying to play into a Xbox 360 to be able to play them. Yeah, really. Haven't had a single problem with the PS3.

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Promac wrote :

And then there's the hardware problems. The failure rate of 360s is still 1 in 6 consoles. And even when they don't completely fail they have multiple other problems. Most recently, mine keeps telling me that I need to put the games I'm trying to play into a Xbox 360 to be able to play them. Yeah, really. Haven't had a single problem with the PS3.



My coworker got that a few days before it RROD'd, he got his xbox for xmas, lasted 3 and a half weeks, and he doesn't play games that much.


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I've been lucky so far with the rrod - but maybe that's about to change. It's funny - I've actually found myself saying "I'm due an RROD cause I haven't had one yet" which is just ridiculous really. My brother's on his 4th xbox in 8 months now.

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"The PS3 is more expensive but then again, the Xbox is only cheaper because you have to buy everything separately. Separate wireless controller, separate hd-dvd drive, separate wireless network dongle, Xbox live subscription, etc. Not to mention that the hardware is older and not as good. "

I feel like i'm defending the 360 even though i'm not trying to.

The 360 comes with a wireless controller just like the PS3. And yes the both use blue tooth for the controller tech. So when someone tries to say the PS3 uses RF tell them to get lost.

As far as FPS, the 360 and PS3 are about equal. PS3 has a slight edge overall but there are areas were the cell does better and areas where the 3 cores of the 360 does better. The "older hardware" comment is pointless since both M$ and $ony are already on new revs from there original hardware design. Console makers constantly update there hardware to reduce costs so you can almost never say "old hardware".


Message edited by livingdead on 02-19-2008 at 03:50:19 PM
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From someone who owns neither currently, but intends to in the future. I am getting it based on the winner of the next gen format war (blu-ray) Looks like HD-DVD is cooked. Occationally a game strictly comes out for console I cant pass up, I never really owned more than 10 or so games for ps2 since I bought it in 2001, but always justified it because it played the games I did want and served as a dvd player. I primarily play games on the PC, but have a softspot for fighting/racing games on the console. i dont even care/nor like racing or cars but love gran turismo , so go figure. So primarily at this point console titles I am looking forward to are street fighter 4 and gran turismo. Maybe the new star wars game if it doesnt end up porting to pc. Anyway it will always serve as a blu ray player.

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The best Star Wars games are always come out for Nintendo. That and Zelda are the only reasons I owned a Game Cube (which i'm ashamed to admit).

I hope the new GT 5 is better/different than GT4. I felt like GT4 was just like 3 and 2 with more cars and tracks. They need to add things like damage, and better online play... err... I mean online play. That's still my biggest bitch with the PS3 is the online game play is poor to ok. Though it's better then the Wii's non-existent online gameplay.

Anyone else having issues getting PS3 games from gamefly? I have 8 in my queue and i've gotten one and I had to remove all my Wii and 360 games to get the one!!! Shipping with GF has been slow lately too which has been ticking me off.

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dostanio wrote :

Bluray on xbox? can you confirm this please! sounds really good! thanks

It's only speculation. Keep an eye out on the news.

Some of us here at TG have thrown around ideas about an X360 vs PS3 vs Wii article, and it looks like it's something we should post. But honestly, it's a hard choice between the three if you're a true console gamer. The X360 has the best OS interface in my opinion, throwing everything on "pages" for easy access. But because of its known hardware issues of overheating, I can't tell you to run out and buy it.

I can't really tell you to run out and buy a PS3 either. As I just bought the console not even a week ago, I love the way I can control it remotely with my PSP, and while I like the user interface on the PSP, I find the PS3 version (which is basically the same) highly annoying. The PlayStation Network Store is clunky and doesn't offer actual movies, TV shows etc. I've had problems staying connected to the PlayStation Network via the wireless adapter, and I'm seriously considering using ethernet. On the plus side, you can install an OS (Linux so far) and upgrade the hard drive yourself. It will accept a mouse and keyboard input, making it the closest to a PC out of the three. Lets not forget Blu-Ray, the chosen winner of the HD formats.

But as for the Wii, I have no complaints other than the kiddie-oriented library. You won't find Oblivion, Unreal Tournament III, BioShock or many other high-profile games, but you do have access to Mario, Zelda and whatnot. The remote and nunchuck really make this console shine, and I actually prefer them over the X360 and PS3 controllers. You would be surprised at how "comfortable" the Wii controllers play despite their shapes.

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Reply to exfileme

MS would be insane to not develop a bluray player for the 360.

And MS is always sane.

Except for Vista, that was insane.

wait...

My logic is imploding (upon itself)......

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You can connect any USB keyboard to the Xbox 360 and it works immediately - don't know about a mouse though.

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lool, vista will be a beautifull flower very soon!

Microsoft is still watering it, but they should of watered it before they released it!

Some Sp packs and sorted

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Nine Ball wrote :

My vote goes for the PS3 for several reasons.

1. Reguardless of what the fans boys say PS3 is more powerful. end of story

2. Blu Ray: first as of right now the HD-DVD format is loseing supporters for their format (in the movie department) and blu-ray is far superior to hd-dvd in the gameing area for one main reason disk capacity. This mean longer, better, more beautiful looking games. the bigger the disk the more game you get.

3. Some people argue "if the PS3 is better how come the 360 is selling better" well theres no doubt that the 360 is selling better than the ps3. 360 did come out before the ps3 and becuase it is harder to program for the ps the 360 has more games. but think of this. As of right now 360 has released some of its best games for the systems life cycle *not all but most* the ps3 has released NONE. So now think if the ps3 is still selling pretty well WITHOUT the help of its major titles such as GTA 4, GT 5, MGS 4, devil may cry 4, God of war 3, and ff 13 *the seller for me* and many many more i personally feel thats pretty dam good.

4. Limitations: as of right now UT3 has used about 93% of the 360s capability as far as graphics performance, while the same game only uses 26%. considering that both of these consoles are stll new * in my opinion* thats really bad for the 360

5. playing faster than the system: back when i played SSB: melee for GC the biggest problem i have is that iam go faster than the system can go. so my timing in games seems to be off, and slow resposive. i played armored core 4 on both the 360 and the ps3. after playing it first on the 360 and getting used to the new controls, and the new features of the game series. i found myself to be going faster than the game could process my inputs, thus the game seemed to be lagging, trashed that 360 got a elite, same problem. * i new that getting a new wouldnt fix it but it was just wishful thinking. Then i tried it on ps3 and i dont have this problem. Basically i should never be faster than the machine itself. in a nutshell the 360 is tooo slow in response time. this only applies to me and those who get frusrated with it. ive played armored core since its first realse in japan, and have played in many tourneys, so my skills in armored core is not the problem, many others like myself have the same problem.

6. Granted the 360 has more games, but about like 90% of those games are all FPS. the ps3 on the other hand has a better selection as far as game genres go.

7. this is more of a rasicts thing to say, but where my tech is designed matters to me. and i will take japanese designed technology over american tech any day. to me ive had better experience with my own technology over american tech. same thing with cars. its all about who designs it, if its designed to break so your forced to buy more/another, i dont want anything to do with it.

8. controller: this is probably the most important thing when it comes to console gameing. i cant stnad big controllers, i have large hands so i like small controllers so iam not wasteing preciose milliseconds reaching for a button when a section of my palm cant do it without movement. the 360 control i fell was deigned for FPS only. which in the 360 defense the 360s controller is much better for FPS, but lets face it i play all genres of games not just fps. Also the response time of the controller seems much faster on the ps3 gamepad by several fractions of a second, which in a fps that means alot.

9. Once compaines are able to program effectively for the ps3, gamers WILL see the vast differnce between the 360 and the ps3 even after the 360's full potential is reached.

10. free online play is better than paying for it.

11. design of the ps3 suits me better. i loved my psp XMB, so i loved the port to the ps3.

12. hardware issues: although ive never had any myself, the 360 has more and the design is flawed.

13.Price: everyone bitched about the ps3 price when it was 600 buck, these people know nothing of technology, otherwise they would know that at 600 bucks they are still getting the better deal. the cell processor is worth more that the system itself, let alone the blu ray player.

thats just a few things why i choose the ps3 over the 360.


ps i own all 3. and iam not a fanboy really. for me its about the SPECS, and the FACTS. sorry about the spelling mistakes -.- was kinda in a hurry



1. i hate consoles but the 360 is moer powerfull hands down. I cant be acused of being a fanboy since i cant stand how weak consols are to begin with :p

2. I agree i would preffer blue ray so you win that.

3.personaly i find any game on the consol thats any good had come out on the pc first so which ever floats your boat there.

4.your on crack there since the 360 graphics power is alot beefier then the ps3

5.havent played the games enough to notice so i leave that to someone else.

6.FPS FTW! XD though RPG and RTS are pretty good.

7.Not going to say anything since i wont buy anything made in japan unless forced due to flimsy cheap design.

8.ps controler has been crap since the first. I used to like the ps controler over the rest only becuase the rest were even worse.

9. (rolls eyes)

10.free in my experiance is never better then paying a little for quality. Live>ps online sorry but there is no contest there its not even close.

11.yes ps3 looks better but hey its a good thing that really matters when it comes to the gaming eh?

12.consoles since they started trying to be computers have had massive hardware issues. Wii is the only real console left IMO.

13.your deluding your self on the cpu thing. They are both stripped beat down versions of a cpu. However the blue ray thing once again i would preffer one.

Im sorry man you do sound like a drone for ps3 or fanboy for those that wish. The only real thing that should sway your decision is games. Which has the games you like. Spreading bs to get someone to buy the one you like is just retarded.

In the end i would personaly pick a wii. Grew up when nintendo and sega were the only real two consoles and nintendo was so much better. Now as a pure gaming system nintendo is still better IMO however for raw power and popularity i doubt youll consider it.

Hey if they add blue ray to xbox which would be kinda wierd i wont even recognise the word ps3.



O yeah WII FTW!!!


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Nine Ball wrote :

My vote goes for the PS3 for several reasons.

1. Reguardless of what the fans boys say PS3 is more powerful. end of story

2. Blu Ray: first as of right now the HD-DVD format is loseing supporters for their format (in the movie department) and blu-ray is far superior to hd-dvd in the gameing area for one main reason disk capacity. This mean longer, better, more beautiful looking games. the bigger the disk the more game you get.

3. Some people argue "if the PS3 is better how come the 360 is selling better" well theres no doubt that the 360 is selling better than the ps3. 360 did come out before the ps3 and becuase it is harder to program for the ps the 360 has more games. but think of this. As of right now 360 has released some of its best games for the systems life cycle *not all but most* the ps3 has released NONE. So now think if the ps3 is still selling pretty well WITHOUT the help of its major titles such as GTA 4, GT 5, MGS 4, devil may cry 4, God of war 3, and ff 13 *the seller for me* and many many more i personally feel thats pretty dam good.

4. Limitations: as of right now UT3 has used about 93% of the 360s capability as far as graphics performance, while the same game only uses 26%. considering that both of these consoles are stll new * in my opinion* thats really bad for the 360

5. playing faster than the system: back when i played SSB: melee for GC the biggest problem i have is that iam go faster than the system can go. so my timing in games seems to be off, and slow resposive. i played armored core 4 on both the 360 and the ps3. after playing it first on the 360 and getting used to the new controls, and the new features of the game series. i found myself to be going faster than the game could process my inputs, thus the game seemed to be lagging, trashed that 360 got a elite, same problem. * i new that getting a new wouldnt fix it but it was just wishful thinking. Then i tried it on ps3 and i dont have this problem. Basically i should never be faster than the machine itself. in a nutshell the 360 is tooo slow in response time. this only applies to me and those who get frusrated with it. ive played armored core since its first realse in japan, and have played in many tourneys, so my skills in armored core is not the problem, many others like myself have the same problem.

6. Granted the 360 has more games, but about like 90% of those games are all FPS. the ps3 on the other hand has a better selection as far as game genres go.

7. this is more of a rasicts thing to say, but where my tech is designed matters to me. and i will take japanese designed technology over american tech any day. to me ive had better experience with my own technology over american tech. same thing with cars. its all about who designs it, if its designed to break so your forced to buy more/another, i dont want anything to do with it.

8. controller: this is probably the most important thing when it comes to console gameing. i cant stnad big controllers, i have large hands so i like small controllers so iam not wasteing preciose milliseconds reaching for a button when a section of my palm cant do it without movement. the 360 control i fell was deigned for FPS only. which in the 360 defense the 360s controller is much better for FPS, but lets face it i play all genres of games not just fps. Also the response time of the controller seems much faster on the ps3 gamepad by several fractions of a second, which in a fps that means alot.

9. Once compaines are able to program effectively for the ps3, gamers WILL see the vast differnce between the 360 and the ps3 even after the 360's full potential is reached.

10. free online play is better than paying for it.

11. design of the ps3 suits me better. i loved my psp XMB, so i loved the port to the ps3.

12. hardware issues: although ive never had any myself, the 360 has more and the design is flawed.

13.Price: everyone bitched about the ps3 price when it was 600 buck, these people know nothing of technology, otherwise they would know that at 600 bucks they are still getting the better deal. the cell processor is worth more that the system itself, let alone the blu ray player.

thats just a few things why i choose the ps3 over the 360.


ps i own all 3. and iam not a fanboy really. for me its about the SPECS, and the FACTS. sorry about the spelling mistakes -.- was kinda in a hurry



1. The fact that you state you're all about FACTS and SPECS contradicts number 1. FACTually speaking, the PS3 has shown zero power advantages, and is probably weaker because the processor is a bloated piece of crap.

2. Bluray and HDDVD suck

3. PS3 sold a lot because of all Sony's lies and zombie fanboys

4. Thats not true, PS3 and 360 are nearly equal in graphical performance (exception being the cell vectoring theory, which no one has ever done)

6. I thought you said you were about facts
http://www.blogsmithmedia.com/www.joystiq.com/media/2007/08/xbox360-genres-chart.jpg
lol, facts

8. The PS3 controller is terrible and uncomfortable, not "more responsive"

9. More like, developement time required to properly use the cell will drown all PS3 devs.

10. Agreed

12. Just like PS2

13. The cell costs a lot to make, but its pretty much worthless.


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I personaly like blueray (backups) im not a big fan of buying movies that im not going to rip so the blueray hd movie thing doesnt really matter to me i would just rip them anyways.

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I think it's funny that people think the 360 controller is better than the ps3 controller. It's just a "fixed" version of the old xbox controller that's been modified to make it more playstation-like. The only real difference is that they've switched the d-pad and the left stick.

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xbox controller is better for real!, it feels better! Responds better!

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Promac wrote :

I think it's funny that people think the 360 controller is better than the ps3 controller. It's just a "fixed" version of the old xbox controller that's been modified to make it more playstation-like. The only real difference is that they've switched the d-pad and the left stick.



Or actually, it could just be the third remodel of the dreamcast controller...

BTW, PS1 stole the SNES design (dpad+abxy+lr), PS2 stole the N64 design (analogue sticks and rumble).

But that's retarded so please quit making things up.

If they were trying to be more like the PS2 controller, they would be making the controller LESS comfortable and MORE stale, not the other way around.

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Message edited by Can Not on 02-27-2008 at 02:25:34 PM
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Can Not wrote :

Or actually, it could just be the third remodel of the dreamcast controller...

BTW, PS1 stole the SNES design (dpad+abxy+lr), PS2 stole the N64 design (analogue sticks and rumble).

But that's retarded so please quit making things up.

If they were trying to be more like the PS2 controller, they would be making the controller LESS comfortable and MORE stale, not the other way around.


right on

Reply to tallguy1618

360 is made by microsoft, Don't buy!
Go with PS3 or wii!
No no wait, upgrade your PC and emulate a 360 XD

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bluekoala wrote :

360 is made by microsoft, Don't buy!
Go with PS3 or wii!
No no wait, upgrade your PC and emulate a 360 XD

You couldn't emulate an Xbox360 with any current hardware. :p

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the only reason i really want a 360 is for halo because all my friends have it and I need to get back in the loop. but if i could emulate that on a pc, then there would be no point for the 360 because my pc is wayy better

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Heyyou27 wrote :

You couldn't emulate an Xbox360 with any current hardware. :p



True, but any game you can buy for both 360 and PC will be $10 cheaper on the PC.

Reply to Can Not

bluekoala wrote :

360 is made by microsoft, Don't buy!
Go with PS3 or wii!
No no wait, upgrade your PC and emulate a 360 XD




Bah! Sony is just as bad as Microsoft if not worse. At least Microsoft is competent as a company and doesn't need to be bailed out by the Japanese government for bad business decisions every other year.

I actually have all three consoles in my house now. I'd have to say that the 360 is easily the best of the three. I love my Wii and all, but it's online store thing is pretty piss poor and there are very few compelling games for it so far. I am looking forward to Brawl though.

The PS3 is just an embarrassment. Easily the worst user interface of the three, very VERY few compelling exclusive titles, an inability to allow multiple people to be logged in at the same time, and tediously long install times for even small demos that won't let you do anything else with the console while they are going.

Thankfully I didn't waste any of MY money on that thing. My roommate did and as long as he makes rent it is none of my business.

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It's also ironically funny that the PS3 has one of the stupidest over complicated hardware setups but the 360 is the one with the heatsink problem...

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to dostanio if you have not purchased an xbox. I recommend a ps3. Reasons: GOD OF WAR 3, MGS4, FFXIII ARE EXCLUSIVE AND THAT WILL NEVER CHANGE. The graphics are nothing to brag about at this moment. However, let the programmers have some time. I guarantee you that you will see an exponential increase in graphics for the ps3 as more games come out. The xbox is cool and stuff, but do you seriously think that programmers can push the xbox 360 anymore? The only way it can achieve better graphics is become a xbox 720 or something, but that would double it's price too i'll bet. Also, you do realize logitech has ps3 controllers that is similar to the xbox right? So with all of that said along with the previous posts of these fanboys, get what you want and don't complain later on. [get the ps3 ;)]

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Or, you could go with a console that already has a solid game library instead of promises, an interface that is hands down superior, and games like Dead Rising, Mass Effect, and Crackdown which have already proven to not be duds and aren't coming to the PS3.

As for the idea that the 360 has been completely tapped, the PS2 and Xbox were seeing improvements in graphics several years after they came out, Both the 360 and PS3 will as well. I remain unconvinced that the PS3 has more potential.

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My Elite was manufactured in June '07 and it red ringed on me a week ago.

Reply to Heyyou27

As far as hardware failures go the ps3 and 360 run about equal.

Personally i hate all the playstation controller I think they are cheap

I like the Microsoft's design for the 360 controller more but i still think the gamecube had the best (and most indestructible) controller

Also i think the playstation controller looks a lot like the super nintendo controller with analog sticks just a thought before you start saying companies copying crap.

The ps3 and 360 have similar graphics power with a slight lean towards the ps3 being a bit more powerful.

Hd dvd is dead so if you want your system to multitask a ps3 will be a blue ray player as well.

The 360 has its killer title released (halo 3) and the ps3 is still waiting for one. Outside of final fantasy though i can see a good half of those 'killer' ps3 title showing up on the 360 at some point like gta vice and sa did for the xbox.

and before you say i am a fanboy i no longer own the ps3 or the 360 (sold the 360 to buy a wii =) and my ps3 is currently in the hands of my brother (sold to him)) i stick with pc now for most games

I don't like paying for online play but xbox live is probably the best online service i have ever seen and with the stuff it does i can justify paying the 50 bucks a year for it. it may sound like a lot but that is 4 bucks a month about.

My favorite of the 3 next gen systems is actually the wii though

If i had to pick from the 2 today I would pick the 360. Also look around your area and see what your friends have. If they all have ps3 then you shouldn't get a 360 because you can't play any games with em anyway and personally i think gaming is as much about having fun with your friends as it is about playing the game.

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Topcover wrote :

As far as hardware failures go the ps3 and 360 run about equal.

I think you need to stop drinking Microsoft's kool-aid. I've only read one case of anyone having issues with the PS3, and it was unable to read discs.
http://consumerist.com/assets/resources/2007/11/Front-thumb.jpg
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http://consumerist.com/assets/resources/2007/11/3-thumb.JPG
Gosh, I wonder why?

I do admit that I like the feel of the Xbox360 analog sticks more, but the weight of the Sixaxis controllers make them ideal for throwing to people without having to worry about possibly damaging something else in the process.

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I've had my 360 Elite for Almost 1 year and never had an issue with it. I would say right now the 360 is the better choice. I had both the PS3 and 360 at one point but sold the PS3 because I found myself playing the 360 much more. I find the 360 controller much more comfortable and overall much better than the PS3's. Also granted I only played a few games on the PS3: Resistance fall of man and Heavenly sword and felt the loading times were much longer. The PS3 has lots of potential but it's just not there yet. I do plan to get the PS3 again maybe in the next year or so.


Message edited by tleonx on 03-13-2008 at 05:59:11 PM
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I'm gonna hold out on PS3 til June when the MSG4 / 80gb with back compatibility combo comes out. Til then the only console I can probably afford is a Wii...My main reasoning for not including the 360 is because my entertainment will be primarily Blu-ray movies with games as a close second.

I'm also a Final Fantasy nut for better or worse. Not to mention I want to play old PS2 games and my actual PS2 is currently broken...

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Hi,
I don't post on these forums a lot, but I was hoping some of you could give me a couple of new insights in choosing between buying a playstation 3 or xbox 360.

 

I want to buy a console mainly because I want to play GTA 4 on release, and I want to play Japanese RPG's on it, besides that I'd likely buy a couple of more console-type games (racers, fighters, what have you).
Historically if you wanted to play JRPG's, Sony was the way to go, but nowadays it seems the genre isn't as popular as it once was, and spread out over all the consoles.

 

The xbox just had Lost Odyssey, Eternal Sonata and Blue Dragon released, and still has a couple more JRPG's in the works (new game in the Tales Of .... Series, and both Infinite Undiscovery and the Last Remnant being developed by Square-Enix). I think I'd also be picking up Forza 2 if I decided to get the xbox, since I've been hearing a lot of good things about that game. I also think that xbox live looks a lot more "fun" than the playstation network.

 

The ps3 doenst seem to have any decent JRPG's at this time, but has a couple of (potentially) heavy hitters in the works like the new Final Fantasy and Star Ocean 4. I would also definitely get the new Gran Turismo if I decided to get a ps3.

 

My problem is that I find it pretty scary to pay 400 Euro's for system that will get a couple of games some day that might be good (ps3), or to pay 250 Euro's for a system that is starting to show it's grey hairs(360).

 

Any advice is welcome, I'm looking to buy my console around the 1st of April.


Message edited by piraterij on 03-15-2008 at 10:10:44 PM
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You know there is only a 1 year split between the 360 and the PS3 right? I don't think the 360 is even over the hill yet, much less turning gray. There isn't a huge technological difference between the two consoles and in some regards the 360 is more advanced.

That said, I do suspect the PS3 will be the console of choice for JRPGs near the middle and end of it's lifespan, but not so much yet. The 360 is getting that attention right now and it may or may not keep it depending on the sales numbers of those games. If it has attracted enough jRPG players then it will retain the development. If not, then the developers will try out the PS3 or just develop for both.

Given the games you are looking for I would either get a 360 now for the games that are available there, or wait until there are at least 3 games on the PS3 that are must haves for you.

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