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The day my daughter was born my mother pulled me aside and said, "promise me under no circumstances that you will get a divorce within the first year of her life". I laughed at the time and made the promise. It is not so laughable now. I have moments that I wonder if I will ever get the woman I married back.

Woman marry men thinking they'll change, men marry woman thinking they won't. Ultimately both end up disappointed. Although I was referring to the moodiness of little girls as I have 6 and 3 year olds...

I had a lot of fun when I played. When I started, The Burning Crusade was already out. I tried to play a warrior and a pally (got to lvl 50 before deleting) - damn what a total waste of cash I though. Then I played a Mage. Now THAT was real fun. I lvl'ed to 60 (read: quested to 30 and grinded to 60 - more than painful) then got the expansion. Got to 70 and just got bored and quit. I tried to go back last month and I just couldn't do it anymore. It is WAY too repetitive and its all about gold (like any other pay-to-play MMORPG).

Don't get me wrong here it was fun, but the lack of variety is what eventually made me quit. And its the same if your Horde or Alliance...

I did like helping low levels with the Deadmines though. I like watching VC drop with a quick nuke while the stupid mobs keep hitting me when I have Molten Armor on - Good Times.

Why do so many people who DON'T play WoW care so much about it? I've played the game all the way to 70 and it's fun. I don't have enough time to play, or at least didn't for the past 6 months - I might start playing again soon. But I liked the game. It's definitly one of the best games ever developed based on all the criteria one would use in judging games.
But to all the people who say "Uh, how can you pay $16 a month to play a game?"
STFU and get some perspective, and a job while you're at it. Everybody pays money for entertainment some where. Renting movies, buying CDs, going out for drinks, hiking, they all cost money. If I want to go on a hike it cost me more money in gas just to drive to a trail then a single month of WoW. And $16 is hardly a lot of money. I don't make a lot but if I can just manage to stumble into work 1 min early each day that more then pays for WoW. Lastly the game is what you make of it. You can enjoy playing at lower levels and not having to race to the level cap. Wailing caverns is one of the best parts of the game. You could spend a weekend getting any class to the high teens and then just enjoy weeks of playing that one instance. Even when I had a 70 I kept an alt around that level so that I could jump into that instance and help people out - and it was just as fun as any 70 5-man instance.

1.) Cost of a movie at a theatre for 1.5-2 hours of entertainment. - $9.50

2.) Cost of a single drink at a nightclub (here where I live) - $8.00 - $12.50 (Yes yes.. ONE drink.) Oh and dont forget cover charge ($10-20).. oh and coat check during winter time ($10.00).

3.) Cost of a single plate of dinner out at a decent restaurant. - $16.00 - $26.00 (on average) Oh and maybe you would want an appetizer and a few drinks? Cant forget that.

4.) Game of pool at a poolhall. - $10.00 + $5.00 per hour. Oh and you may want some snacks from the bar. And a few drinks?

5.) Cost of a comedy club ticket - $25.00 up to $75.00 (depending on who is performing).

6.) Cost of a theatre play here where I live. - $25.00 up to $125.00.

All of the above listed liesure time activites do not normally take more than a few hours of time before boredom sets in. These are all activities that you do with "others".

If you want to justify the cost of entertainment.. there it is. If you spend at least 2-3 hours playing WoW each month.. you have used the appropriate time cost wise on par with other entertainment activities.

Just because MMO's were the first games to really charge a monthly fee; doesnt mean its a travesty. Heck.. to play even some FPS games now you have to sign up for an Xbox Gold account and pay a monthly fee. This is the new age of gaming.. more and more you will see subscriptions for being able to play a game. $16 a month as an entertainment expense is virtually nothing. No pun intended.

I tried the 10 day free trial and don't know what the fuss is about. It kept me amused for about an hour but, things started getting repetitive imo. I've been playing BF2 since 2005-10-03 21:38:00 (feck that looks really sad), but find it way more enjoyable and can keep me occupied for days on end... it's every gamer for himself.

I thought that because i liked Dungeon Seige, WoW would be a never ending version of it. I was wrong and have gone back to Oblivion. Obviously WoW has some lure to it otherwise millions of people wouldn't play it, but for me i can't find it .

From playing both WoW and Oblivion and I'd say they fall into much different catagories then just (MMO)RPG vs RPG. So I could see if you're expecting one you wouldn't necessarily like the other. Not to try and be some sort of WoW advocate and try and convince you to play, but the first hour of WoW is by far the worst part of the game.

Most all people playing WOW are MMORPG newbies. They have never played a good game before. You NEVER loose anything for your actions in game either. It is win win win. There is no challenge. Its the mindless sheep that play WOW. The only vet gamers that play are hating it and probably have bad hardware.

Translation: WoW is the MMORPG for gamers with a life outside of the game. You're right, there's no REAL challenges like 48hr instances or having to learn some Elvish tongue in order to speak to others in the game.

Whats all this fuss about anyway? WoW rules. If you dont like it, dont play it. Best game I've ever played. Bring on more games like this and I'll be a gamer for life. I'm sad to see the quality of PC games goes down each year. At least Blizzard continues to release new content.

From this statement we can assume you've played through all of the available content and found no difficulty, correct?

Every thing that you said in your rant was incorrect. Nearly everyone I interacted with ingame when I played WoW had played MMOs previously. You do "loose" things when you make bad choices (wiping a raid and having to spend five minutes running back to the boss on top of the seven gold repair per death). If you pvp in Arenas, chances are you'll do a lot more lose lose losing than win win winning. All of the vet gamers that I know play or played WoW in end game raiding guilds.

L2P

What's wrong, everyone leave your EQ guild and you felt like crying on the forums?

I was agreeable to your post till the last sentence that shocked me from nowhere. Sigh ... the classic debate of raiders versus non-raiders. If you think that casual players are so devoid of social skills that they need to pay $15 a month to play, I could say the same thing about you that you are/were also so devoid of real life achievements that you need(ed) to pay $15 a month to collect purple loots. Play some sports perhaps?

Causal players still quest, level the characters in a much easy pace, visit dungeons at times, craft something nice, don't really give a XXX if they get an upgrade ... the fun part is to pace out the progress, meet up old friends and chat, group up at times to achieve common goals or just to help out ...

WoW is not all about raiding as end game for all players.

On a side note, I like to keep in touch with friends via MSN. But that doesn't mean that I am devoid of any social skill to meet friends in real life because I do.

Some humble thoughts.

You know ... before WoW, I usually buy one or two games a month. That works out to be $50-100 per month after the currency conversation. After I sign up for WoW since feb 2005 (have I got the year right? ... first launch) till last year, I have probably only bought a couple of other games for the entire period because I played WoW and nothing else for a long time. So, the subscription fee is really not that excessive. That, answers to your "why ppl are willing to spend that much a month".

Just purely from the monetary point of view while ignoring all other factors ...

I was just being a raid-snob when I wrote about casual WoW players needing help. I had a brief flashback while writing that of when I was a casual player and would log in 3-4 times a week to say hello to my guildmates or do a couple arenas with my friends. Within five minutes of being logged in, I'd get random people begging me to run them through instances, give them gold, make them food/water, port them somewhere (I played a mage), etc. Those were the casuals that irked me. It was as if they had no clue of politeness or etiquette.

I apologize for the unneeded outburst.

Here's the great irony of this thread. You have a bunch of people on an Online Game Forum bashing WoW players for the exact same character attributes that somebody else could bash people who spend time posting on an Online Game Forum for having.

heh I wub joo... that was "priceless"

Hey buddy, I apologize for my initial response too. Didn't mean to be sacarstic. It is sort of like knee-jerking action when it comes to that raider vs. casual topic that has been debated so intensively in the WoW forum at one point in time.

I can totally relate to that. I got the same request for gold/water/food/instance run too. I think those are more of the immature players we at times encounter - not all the casual players are like that.

In fact, a lot of the casual players are solo-ists or stick with their own friends most of the time (hence not align to an elite guild?) and they seldom request for or accept help even if offered.

Anyway, like you, I have also sort of stopped playing. I just log in occasionally to advance one of my characters with my friend. And ... congraz on your little daughter Must have been a life changing experience.