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robwright wrote :

Good lord, this is a never-ending thread. I mean, wow. I'm not saying a lot of this discussion hasn't been interesting and certainly worthwhile, but seriously, I think we're going in circles now. It feels like that scene in the movie "Miracle" with the endless suicide drills, back and forth all night, and I'm Mike Eruzione, about to puke my guts out and collapse on the ice.




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never ending but makes great discussion :)

DRM FTL

while many say that DRM is to make it harder to pirate so people will be discouraged, what they don't see is that the only one who the DRM effects is the person cracking it, everyone else downloading the cracked copy never notices the DRM

so basically there spending almost a half million dollars to just annoy 1 or 2 people who end up cracking often a day after a game comes out or in many cases a week before the game comes out on store shelves.

DRM companies know that they cant stop piracy, and thats not their focus, their focus is to encourage piracy so they can keep their jobs


look at crime on the streets

in NY just pulling out my PDA for a few seconds to see the time caused 2 people to try and steal it from me

the police can easily just get people of different age groups to walk around the city while holding onto a PDA or ipod or other electronics while a few undercover police follow them from a distance then when someone tries to rob them, they just arrest them, if they do this enough then the streets will be a safe place where you don't have to be scared take out anything worth more than $5.

but the police don't do this because if they stop the most common type of crime (theft which is stealing in a way that deprives the victim of the item), which will cause law enforcement to downsize which means they could loose their jobs.

same with government defense, keep the public always scared of terrorism then they wont mind taxing the hell out of them in order to fund a non existent defense.

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physx7 wrote :

@ RobWright,

Totally off subject but who is the guy in your avatar? I have tried and tried but I couldn't figure him out.


Geez, next you'll say you don't know who Paul Kersey is. ;)

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Did this thread start on Groudhogs day? heheh

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function9 wrote :

Geez, next you'll say you don't know who Paul Kersey is. ;)



Who is Paul Kersey? :??:

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darkstar782 wrote :

How are 70% of CoD4 online people using pirate copies? Doesn't CD-Key verification prevent this?



That I don't know. Maybe a keygen. I can only go by what the guy said. And I would have thought that the servers could have done more to catch/ block this too.
And back to the other guy that argues that that may have bought the game after the fact. When You have 3 times as many people playing the game online than you have copies purchased, hmmm. I guess maybe they will all buy it next year, right?
It's just another justification. "My little bootleg copy won't hurt anything, it's just one, right? They make enough money anyhow."

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physx7 wrote :

Who is Paul Kersey? :??:


Paul Kersey!? Probably only the baddest badass in the history of badasses. Check out "Death Wish" movies.

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I think Johnny Cash is on that list as well.

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You also forgot about donkey kong.

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Paul Kersey? C'mon. I mean, ok, in the first Death Wish he was pretty badass, but by death wish 3 (4? the one with Marina Sirtis) he's this geriatric avenger, helping the local retirees shoot the sh*t out of them unruly youngins.

More Badass still: Snake Plissken (see Rob's icon).

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inglburt wrote :

And back to the other guy that argues that that may have bought the game after the fact. When You have 3 times as many people playing the game online than you have copies purchased.




ok im bored of this too, but you didnt think about what i said....

if 20 people go out and buy COD4 then those 20 people get say cd cracks, thats 20 bought copies and 20 pirated copies according to the logs at the COD4 master server.

same with other things, do you think they clear the logs? NO then the sales info would definatly be wrong. if 20 people pirate the game to try then go out and buy the game it still registers 20 pirate copys, the 20 real copys wont overwrite the pirate figure.... if i had to hazard a guess i would say about 25% of the COD4 playes are using pirate copies..


anyway escape from new york isnt that good a film, its a bit like rambo though very nostalgic.

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Flakes wrote :

anyway escape from new york isnt that good a film, its a bit like rambo though very nostalgic.



Blasphemy!

As to your point about cracked copies online, I hear you. I don't know if, for example, Infinity Ward did an exhaustive investigation of what cracks were being found online for CoD4. I'd hate to think that they assumed everyone with a disc-tray crack is using a pirated copy, and I'd like to give them the benefit of the doubt.

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:lol:

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Flakes wrote :

ok im bored of this too, but you didnt think about what i said....

if 20 people go out and buy COD4 then those 20 people get say cd cracks, thats 20 bought copies and 20 pirated copies according to the logs at the COD4 master server.

same with other things, do you think they clear the logs? NO then the sales info would definatly be wrong. if 20 people pirate the game to try then go out and buy the game it still registers 20 pirate copys, the 20 real copys wont overwrite the pirate figure.... if i had to hazard a guess i would say about 25% of the COD4 playes are using pirate copies..


anyway escape from new york isnt that good a film, its a bit like rambo though very nostalgic.



Ok, I get it, a guy can argue against anything. Keep the dream alive man.

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Not slamming peps for free stuff, but how would you feel if you developed a hit game and weeks later it was a free download without your consent. There are lots of games that should be free because the programing sucks, and the demos are made to be the best. So getting free stuff is good sometimes, if its good we all buy it, if it suck then they should make something better
It time most drm will be hacked anyways


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I have pirated Unreal tournament 3, COD4, and Fallout 3. and then i bought all these games afterwards, so think of it as a demo

 

..P.S. STEAM! nuff said

 

..P.S.S. i dont pirate anymore

 

..P.S.S.S i also pirated oblivion and battlefield 2 AFTER buying the cuz i lost the cds :p

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Message edited by Skallik on 12-16-2009 at 10:28:09 AM
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Skallik wrote :

I have pirated Unreal tournament 3, COD4, and Fallout 3. and then i bought all these games afterwards, so think of it as a demo

..P.S. STEAM! nuff said

..P.S.S. i dont pirate anymore

..P.S.S.S i also pirated oblivion and battlefield 2 AFTER buying the cuz i lost the cds :p



Over a year and half later...how did you find this thread?

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This thread was really a waste of time when it was created in 2008, trying to mass appeal some kind of morality to the thieving community is a complete waste of time as I'm sure the OP has discovered by now.

As they say, "Once a thief, always a thief", reasons why they try to justify what they're doing is because inside themselves they know its wrong, otherwise they'd disregard posting a response in the first place.

However they got stung by that little bit of morality they may have left, tucked way back somewhere in the recess's of their minds and sought the need to defend themselves with some lame pitiful excuse for their illegal actions.

If I can excuse my actions it must be OK, at least in my mind I can live with my thievery.

For the user that posted way back he didn't know what TH's stand on piracy was, read the forum rules.

This thread is officially over, funeral services will commence now and last for 30 micro seconds!

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