The real reason 'PC gaming is dying' - Page 2

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The PC market is about DOMINATION. you don't spec your rig to the max just to "play" the latest game. You max your rig to own the competition. The consoles put everyone on a level playing field because the average "Joe" wants to be able to sit on his couch and be somewhat competitive in the 3-4 hours he has before he has to go to bed for work in the morning. PC's are about performance and power. You spend the bucks for that Core i7 OC'd, the best and most ram your system will allow, high end SLI or CR cards and extra cooling and PSU not just to "play" but to RULE! To impose you will on other online players, to enter the arena not as just a mere player , but as the avatar of destruction. To be feared, hated and even revered. MUHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

Why do you need an advantage some might counter with. If you have an even playing field wouldn't the more skilled opponent win? Because this is WAR and in war you overwhelm your opponent. That's like us just sending the Navy to deal with Suddam during the Gulf conflict and keeping all or tanks, infantry, artillery and air force at home. In war you need all your assets, every advantage you have and you show absolutely no quarter. Cause losing sucks!

Someone mentioned they had trouble running farcry 2 on a gtx 260....hmmm...my 9800gtx+ and 260 GTX both run the game at 1680x and 1280x no problems...really it looks ten times better than my ps3...

paired with crappy X2's at that....

When you speak of a level playing field with consoles or PCs for that matter you internet connection has everything to do with that, like my Satellite connection causing too high of ping to be able to play smoothly in an online game really sucks.

Doesn't make any difference how fast your machine is, it depends on how fast your connection to the internet actually is, how low a ping you can run at, or else your playing is like walking through mud.

Now if I setup with my friends as a local lan, its a completely different story, but online internet gaming seriously sucks and is very disappointing.

We have 2 choices where we live Satellite or Dialup, Satellite averages 25 times Dialup no matter what they claim on their TV adds, when it comes to online gaming I truly miss my old cable connection, never had any problems with it!

Some things have to be sacrificed to live out in the country, I don't regret that, I do regret the present capabilities of available ISP.

Theres your level playing field, your internet connection type, and it doesn't have a thing to do with the power of your PC or Console.

i think why pc gaming is not dying because pc are now essential to have nowadays and if the owner wants to take sometime to have fun instead of buying console games they would rather play in their pc so they wont have to worry anymore just buy themselves a game

If PC gaming is dying then why did EA release more games for the PC last year then it did for the Xbox 360 and PS3?

From 2008 the PC hardware standard has gone up a to such a point it makes it's wholly more superior to any of the consoles from a technical point of view hence why more games are released on the PC in 2008 then any other platform (again I point out the comments made by EA, google it if you want proof). PC gaming isn't going anywhere.

I hope they start making 2 player games from computer. That is one of the advantages the consoles have over PC you can have more then one person play on one console at a time. This put PC gamers at a disadvantage because if some one comes over you need to take turns on the computer, or have to get two computer and possibly two copes of the game what with all of the anti piracy crap. to play.

I don't know why they don't have this on the PC. I know back in the day with PS/2 ports you could only have one mouse and one keyboard. But come on! now every computer out there has 4+ usb ports and you can all tones of Keyboard mouses and controllers to one computer. Why not take advantage of that and be able to have 2 or more people play on one computer at a time. Heck most Video cards have two connections for monitors. why not make a game that you can just plug in a secondary monitor and controls and you can have two people play on the same computer with out having to have the stupid split screen. (I know that is asking a bit much you would need a killer Video card to be able to do this)

And gaming from the couch isn't relay a problem any more. because the new video cards have HDMIs and most HDTVs have a VGA or DVI port. So all you need is a wireless keyboard and mouse or controller like what MystMage75 is doing

Oyeah and on the pricing I think they are the same. Sure the Consoles are cheaper but who doesn't have some type of computer. So they are buying a $350 360 plus Xbox live's monthly fee if you want multiplayer. And then another $350+ more like $400 or $500 for a low end pc. So why not just throw that $350 in to your computer budget so if you whet with a 400 computer your now up to $750. For that price you can bye a descent computer that can play all of the newest game. maybe not on High quality, but who knows . And if they all ready have a computer. then if it cheaper. just upgrade. And no more Xbox live monthly fee so you can have some extra cash the go to games or something

Good point

Where is the fun in that? Just stinking the game in and play. I need to get a lest 1 error to get my moneys worth of the game LOL.

But i think this problem is also a good thing. Because most of the time to be able to play the game on PC you need to be some what intelligent on how computers work. So the odds of the PC side having more of the geeky audience are grater then the consoles side. So PCs have a lot better chance of getting stuff like mods witch most of the mods are excursively for the PC. So this is hours and hours of game play that the Consoles side can only dream about

So I think that PC gaming is here to stay.

Most likely because you take the diligence to have the latest drivers,patches, and 'clean' you windows every now and then. If you have never ran into an error before,during, or after a game I would consider yourself pretty lucky. But with that aside we can already tell you probably know an above average amount about PC's and because of this you may have entirely avoided the error Joe Smoe would have ran into. I forgot to note in my last post that I definitely think PC gaming is here to stay. Certain games can only really be fully enjoyed on a PC and it caters to enthuisests as well.

i dont beleive on the title of the thread.... if its dying why are there still many gamers are playing different mmos???

I think GFWL is nothing but MicroSoft way to milk more money.
The system is not needed, just another way for M$ to screw people over.
All the handles (names) PC gamers like to go by are tied up on it cause of XBL users.

Any game that forces me to use GFWL (Games For Windows Live) i won't buy, i don't like being stuck with using 2093502935 after the name i like to go by, i want the option to change it like we can in other games.

Piracy is a problem but its the game publishers fault, they keep flooding the market with sub-par games expecting us to pay $49.95 for games you can beat in 4-8hrs.
Everyone wants to play/test out every game but with the prices of games today i see why people turn to downloading it.

The old PC gaming is dying, today's publishers are focusing on making console users happy over PC users, that's why we see so many bad ports.
Just look at what valve is doing to L4D2, the reason i think it wasn't DLC is cause they didn't want to make just the console user to pay, they already have enough pissed off console users cause they don't see the updates like we do on the PC.

I call BS. It's extremely simple. If you have intentions of playing a game more than 3 hours your pirating because you/they did not want to pay. I say 3 hours because that should be enough time to demo out a non-MMO game to decide whether or not you actually want to buy it. It's because of this that actually led me to buying a legit retail game and certain music albums. (oh the irony.)

If pc gaming is dying care to explain the 12,7 billion dollars software ONLY that made in 2008 a 17 percent increase from 2007?
pc gaming is dying since playstation 1 and yet pc gaming is here and more games are available for pc than consoles
Exclusive games especially strategy games like sins of solar empire,empires total war,dawn of war series are only available on pc, vast majority of mmorpg are only available on pc , also fps games are best played on pc and there is a healthy number of exclusive fps games on pc stalker series,crysis and crysis warhead,cryostasis,killing floor,americas army 3 and battlefield 2 ( with battlefield 3 already anounced last month) let alone free games like bf heroes and quake live and finally pc is the home for sim games like sims3 and reallistic driving games ( by reallistic i dont mean gran tourismo or forza but games like GTR2 and WTCC the game).
Let alone multiplatform games that look and run better on your average $600-800 gaming pc ( build it your own gaming pc that is)
I also wanna state that pc gaming rocks and i bought 2weeks ago from steam 3great games (3 penumbra games) for $5

Before I get into this, I am fan of both the PC and consoles, but I am thoroughly dissatissfied with the state of them today.

It used to be that console and PC games offered different experiences. Yes, there have always been cross platform games, but those games were always distinctively either PC or Console. Could you play diablo on a console? Yes. Would you want to? Doubtful. Can you play Final Fantasy 7 on a PC? Yes. Would you want to? Probably not.

Even on consoles, there were distinct differences in the games you would play on them. Now (as in before the motion sensing tech for the PS3 and xbox 360) it really feels like the PS3, 360, and PC are all slumped together against the Wii. The Wii is the only system right now with a really distinct set of games. If you look at the top titles for the PC, 360, and PS3, chances are, they're available on the other two systems as well.

I think this problem started with the xbox. To me, it's always felt like a cheap/lazy man's PC. And for those who want a cheap way to run the most recent games, it is a god send if you can get over using a controller instead of a mouse and keyboard. I really think the problem is that Microsoft has been pushing the xbox so much that it has cannibalized the PC market. Also, in producing games for multiple platforms, game producers can potentially maximize their profits. Bearing that in mind, I think that the wii's lack of graphical muscle has allowed it to remain distinctive and saved it from being blended into the other 3 because game producers simply can't easily port over their games to the wii. Add in the fact that Nintendo's in house game production department has really utilized the wii's potential and it's easy to see why the Wii has been so successful... it offers a truely different experience. Note: I am not tooting the wii here, I think Nintendo has dropped the ball MAJORLY in the last year.

Anyways, to prevent myself from being rabbit-trailed too much, I believe both the xbox 360 and ps3 are essentially being marketed as replacement PCs and are failing to fulfill their potential as individual consoles. And, because they have done this, we're finding much fewer games produced SPECIFICALLY for the PC. Now, game producers don't have to worry as much about configuring games for older PCs because consumers can just buy the games on another platform.

Now moving on to the PC itself. DRM is indeed a major problem. I was saved from the securom hassle for two years because I moved to Japan without a powerful computer. Now that I am back into gaming, I am PISSED. Securom type software does so much damage, that it actually makes me NOT want to buy the game. I understand taking some precautions (like CD-keys) but this is ridiculous. If somebody is going to pirate a game, they will find a way, or somebody will find a way for them. I don't support game piracy at all, however, I am NOT willing to pay $50 to have a game hi-jack my computer from me, or deal with this limited number of installs crap. This kind of DRM MAKES me want to pirate. Why would I pay $50 for a game that includes frustrating software when I can download it for free without the securom? It becomes harder and harder to want to support game companies that employ these tactics.

Moving on. Another problem is that games are just becoming too costly to make thanks to improvements in graphics. Gone are the days of 10 people development teams. Now it takes hundreds of people to make a game and it takes a huge financial investment to do that. This ends up pushing game companies to try to stick to winning formulas instead of trying to experiment (the movie industry has the same problem). The end result is far less innovation in newer games. Look at how much games changed from 1990 to 1999. Now look at how they've changed since 2000. We've mostly only gotten better graphics and physics in the last 9 years.

Lastly, the internet is a wonderful thing... but it has also made it too easy for game companies to lower their quality standards. It used to be that if a game was not rock solid before shipping, it would bomb at retail. Now, game producers just figure as long as most of the game works right, they can still ship it because they can patch it later. Unfortunately, once they ship it, they often don't follow through with it either. In the last 3 years I have purchased more buggy games than I did in the 15 years before that.

So looking at all of this, it is easy to see what the fundamental reason why PC games are (and have been) dying is. Game production costs. Game production costs have increased soooo much (and will keep increasing the more graphically detailed the games become) that it pushes game developers to do extreme things. Some game producers produce as many crap games as quickly and as cheaply as they can (*coughs EA*). Other game producers become too scared to try new ideas. Most look to expanding their potential customer base (cross platform games)... and others look at extreme methods of DRM.

Except for the whole Final Fantasy VII deal...OK fine, I bought a USB to PS controller converter...and had to use the XP patch (upside down videos etc), but hey, I still have the original PC edition box and everything! I wonder how it works on Vista...

Dude PC gaming 4 ever.

Always gonna be some stuff consoles can't contend with, and as much as I hate to admit it, there are some pretty nice console games out now.

If you go to the dark side though I won't hold it against you.... When I'm playing starcraft 2 and supreme commander 2, and killing people on modern warfare 2 when you are learning to use a joystick

At any rate im not hating on GFW either.. I am actually looking forward to some cross platform action so I can stomp my console loving friends into the dirt.

You are right though, I know people choosing the 360 for the comfort of their couch, and eliminating the potentially daunting task of maintaining a gaming PC.

Bottom line for me - PC gaming are for hardcore gamers.

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