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Zagreb (Croatia) – This morning we received delicate details about AMD’s answer to Intel’s Montevina design from our moles in Taiwan. The information we received could get you concerned about the new mobile processor Griffin as well as the Puma platform. Since our sources inside AMD confirmed the information, we have reason to believe that the Puma story might get ugly.
If you think about characteristics and features a mobile platform requires, the answer always boils down to power consumption. And according to our sources, power consumption is exactly AMD’s problem with Puma. It seems that AMD is in trouble and created a processor that actually consumes more power than its predecessor. If Griffin eats more juice than AMD’s Turn-me-on (Turion 64), take a guess what the main problem will be when AMD is trying to be getting those mobile design wins?
The 780M chipset for Puma is not really different than the already existing desktop-based 780G chipset (it will use the RS780M Northbridge and SB700 Southbridge chips). But AMD didn’t spare a dime to get the most recent TSMC production line for RS780M, which takes the chipset on a power diet, we hear.
The Griffin processor itself, however, is an in-between product of the K8 and K10 architectures: The processing cores belong to the old world, while the power optimization of memory controller/Northbridge and HyperTransport 3 are taken from the Barcelona/Agena generation of CPUs. Griffin also comes with three independent power planes (Barcelona/Agena has only two).
Performance-wise, we were told that Griffin won’t be able to match Intel’s Core 2 Duo speed, which will be an obvious problem. However, Puma could be running circles around Montevina as soon as you mention the term 3D. RS780M is expected to be a much stronger (DirectX 10) graphics engine than what the Santa Rosa platform offers. But we will have to wait for Intel’s new Montevina platform to get a better idea of how the rivalry will pan out. The good news for Puma is that the platform is on target to be available for the for Back-to-school season.
Regardless Intel’s 45 nm design has the edge and and consumes less power. However, the current situation apparently prompted AMD to adjust its marketing message, stating that it is focused on delivering “balanced” platforms. An AMD source told us that "Griffin will not be able to touch Core 2 Duo", which is quite a bombastic statement coming from a senior source.
It was explained to us that AMD does not care that much about CPU performance anymore, but rather about the platform performance. This goes in line with NVIDIA’s efforts, but the reason for this shifted message at AMD might lie somewhere else.
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If together with mobile processor Intel to use a discrete graphic card it will strongly affect for the period of autonomy notebook, i.e. that for what notebook has been created.
P.S.
Sorry for my English, i'm from Russia.
perfect "gaming"
and to offer a cheaper solution to the consumer.
But now they are losing their focus and don't really focus on what they are doing. They are falling more and more behind with CPU power(don't let me mention the problems and they can't even keep up with the "Core 2 Duo"). I for one am still a AMD fan, mainly because they haven't failed me in the past. Now I ask them don't fail me now....
The good news for AMD is that they can cook your eggs for breakfast while you work with their laptops. I was at a best buy few days ago and I was touching the button of the laptops that were on display. The Intel systems were extremely cool to the touch while the AMD systems would be extremely hot even at idle. If you don?t believe me just next time your are at an electronic store give it a shot yourself. By the way most of the performance that 99% of people experience in laptops is associated with HD performance and not the CPU.
| chechnyan : ohh God is it impossible to hear something positive from AMD |
yes there is one thing the 4870 will be out soon and its a good bang for a buck
i my self have a TL-56 in my notebook which actualy was a good deal for the price preformance since it had a good graphic card with it geforce 8600GS, and the intel competition did only offer a radeon 2300 for same price at that time.
| wrote : The good news for Intel is that they are running at such low power that it allows then to build systems like the Apple Air, and Lenovo X300. |
The macbook runs with a Core 2 and it burns!!! Explain that.........
Let just wait for the real numbers, I especially hate rumors. This article really makes me wanna buy an Intel laptop with Nvidia GFX right now. So clam down.
| KyleSTL : Or oyster, whichever you perfer. |
Oh I see you're an Intel fanboi. Uh huh, I was an Intel fanboy before but I'm neutral now.
Let's say I don't think you even got real proofs but just a piece of rumors to support ya don't ya? I suggest we'll wait and see.
Anyway if AMD epic fail this time then I'll have to get an Intel Peryn and GeForce GFX on a notebook.
http://www.hexus.tv/category.php?cat=36
KyleSTL here's some peanut butter for ya.
and everyone has different needs. if u just need websurfing, emailing, documents and non-hardcore gaming, i would say 780m might be a better deal.
though core 2 duos are really just too good. =) but i dont really need them. lol.
Calm ≠ clam. Thank you for [finally] understanding the joke. I'm not sure what you originally implied that my oyster comment meant.
Now Im building desktop for web browsing/text editing/casual gaming based on 780G and XP5000. Cheap as a bargain..
I would think Toms Hardware would have a higher standard for its news, and not be biased. The article title is just Intel PR.
The Turion X2 is not that far behind the C2D in actual computing power, but I always see morons saying a 2.5Ghz X2 is the same speed as a 2Ghz C2D. People just don't understand what criteria determines these ratings, so Intel lovers find benchmarks, like burning a CD in this specific program runs faster on my C2D.
I don't mind building an Intel based machine, but I don't like thier politics, and history of deepening their pockets with our money while they don't give us the best they can offer at fair prices. That is until AMD bit them in the ars!!
Just because an Intel machine puts the power button further from heat sources doesn't mean they don't get hot too. And what says its has anything to do with AMD, when it could be a Nvidia graphics card heating it up, or an OEMs crummy battery.
I can't wait to get a Puma platform notebook, holding out for it, and I'm hoping they are coming with HD3800 series graphics for a big surprise, or at least some 512MB GDDR3 HD3650s.

