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Party: Beijing Residents Celebrate Green Dam Win

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Yesterday China announced a delay in the roll out of Green Dam software set to be rolled on Wednesday, July 1 and the residents of Beijing could not be happier.

Originally supposed to be a boycott party in protest of the mandatory Green Dam software the Chinese government announced it would ship on every computer sold in mainland China after July 1, the gathering later turned into a celebration upon hearing news that the deadline had been pushed back.

Reuters reports that Chinese web users flooded to an art zone cafe on Wednesday to celebrate the delay with a traditional Chinese breakfast and to plan an all day party. However, despite the happy atmosphere, Reuters cites party-goers who were nervous about attending an event "that was a direct, if light-hearted, rebuke to a government wary of public challenges to its control."

"I am a little bit nervous, but I felt it was very important that I find the strength to come," said painter Zang Yi according to Reuters.

China yesterday announced that it was delaying the Green Dam roll out and while it’s being branded a victory for the people of China, claims the delay is because some PC makers were having difficulty meeting the deadline. In other words, the Green Dam plan isn’t dead yet.

Do you think China would ever drop the Green Dam idea completely because of backlash from internet users?

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    bk420 , July 1, 2009 2:52 PM
    Population Control Software......communism at its "best"....
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    SAL-e , July 1, 2009 3:09 PM
    bk420Population Control Software......communism at its "best"....

    And what is Warrantless Wiretapping in USA? http://www.eff.org/issues/nsa-spying
    Secret Trade agreement that include provision that custom will search your laptop and MP3 player when you travel: http://www.eff.org/issues/acta
    I think before we start lecture China we need to take care about home problems first.
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    tommysch , July 1, 2009 3:19 PM
    Like that crapware isnt going to be relatively easy to crack/remove... The Chinese dont know how to engineer stuff anyway, they just copy any cheap american software they happen to their hands on.
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    brendano257 , July 1, 2009 3:20 PM
    SAL-eAnd what is Warrantless Wiretapping in USA? http://www.eff.org/issues/nsa-spyingSecret Trade agreement that include provision that custom will search your laptop and MP3 player when you travel: http://www.eff.org/issues/actaI think before we start lecture China we need to take care about home problems first.


    The point is, our government taps our phones and whatnot, why? To fight terrorism and threats to the country. Why does China do it? To stop the citizens from learning about freedom or speech, and human rights. There is a difference, now unless you have something to hide, don't worry about it. The US can listen in on my phone calls but what will they get? Nothing that will ever help them find terrorists, or convict me, that's all I know.
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    SAL-e , July 1, 2009 3:40 PM
    brendano257The point is, our government taps our phones and whatnot, why? To fight terrorism and threats to the country. Why does China do it? To stop the citizens from learning about freedom or speech, and human rights. There is a difference, now unless you have something to hide, don't worry about it. The US can listen in on my phone calls but what will they get? Nothing that will ever help them find terrorists, or convict me, that's all I know.

    There is no difference. If you read Chinese official documents about Green Dam is all about protecting user from the bad things like child pornography and etc, but you know better that it could be and will be used to enforce their political agenda.
    What I don't understand why we are forgetting how US government and FBI was acting just 20-30 years ago. Yes they can listen the phone call of suspected terrorist, but not everyone's phone calls. If the have information go get a warrant and do it legally. US government has already abused that power in order to silent political opponents. Unless you are planning to live like slave you should wake up and stand for your privacy and rights as they are defined by the Constitution.
    http://www.eff.org/deeplinks/2008/04/eff-issues-report-abuse-national-security-letter
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    Pei-chen , July 1, 2009 4:22 PM
    Good for these artists; the most useless portion of the population.
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    tpi2007 , July 1, 2009 4:58 PM
    SAL-eThere is no difference. If you read Chinese official documents about Green Dam is all about protecting user from the bad things like child pornography and etc, but you know better that it could be and will be used to enforce their political agenda. What I don't understand why we are forgetting how US government and FBI was acting just 20-30 years ago. Yes they can listen the phone call of suspected terrorist, but not everyone's phone calls. If the have information go get a warrant and do it legally. US government has already abused that power in order to silent political opponents. Unless you are planning to live like slave you should wake up and stand for your privacy and rights as they are defined by the Constitution.http://www.eff.org/deeplinks/2008/ [...] ity-letter



    Yes there is a difference. In China police would be knocking on your door to take you away for what you've just written. It's a matter of how far government interference with your rights goes, right now, at present. That is what we are discussing.
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    researchthis , July 1, 2009 4:59 PM
    SAL-eAnd what is Warrantless Wiretapping in USA? http://www.eff.org/issues/nsa-spyingSecret Trade agreement that include provision that custom will search your laptop and MP3 player when you travel: http://www.eff.org/issues/actaI think before we start lecture China we need to take care about home problems first.


    Oh boy, here comes the moral equivalence argument again. Yup, the US is JUST LIKE China. No difference whatsoever. *sigh*. Must we point the finger back at the US every single time an issue like this comes up? The only people you are helping are the communists by deflecting the attention away from the BIGGER problem. I'm sure the Chinese really appreciate your efforts here.

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    US government has already abused that power in order to silent political opponents.


    Yup, and they were caught. There is nothing to "catch" in China because there are no checks, balances, laws, procedures to limit this. In the US, you can be sure that any abuse of this new wiretapping will be brought to the world's attention eventually if not immediately. It is a tool of war. It is not inherently evil, just as a rifle is not inherently evil. We are not crippling ourselves by banning our soldiers from using rifles now are we? Why should we do so with this?

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    hemelskonijn , July 1, 2009 5:28 PM
    The greendam software was supposed to be distributed with every computer sold there is no law stating you have to use it and there is no obligation to any manufacture or retail store to pre-install the software.
    They only had to make sure any one who wanted to run it could run it.

    In a way this would not be to bad in a world driven on violence and porn this software might be the fabric softner for the internet.
    Lines are fading and as long as there is no law stating you have to use it i think its no better or worse the buying any OEM system here since they are loaded with crap any way.
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    SAL-e , July 1, 2009 5:47 PM
    researchthisOh boy, here comes the moral equivalence argument again. Yup, the US is JUST LIKE China. No difference whatsoever. *sigh*. Must we point the finger back at the US every single time an issue like this comes up? The only people you are helping are the communists by deflecting the attention away from the BIGGER problem. I'm sure the Chinese really appreciate your efforts here.

    Have you ever faced a fully armed police backed with water cannons? From your comment I have the fuzzy feeling that you have seen them only on TV.

    researchthisYup, and they were caught. There is nothing to "catch" in China because there are no checks, balances, laws, procedures to limit this. In the US, you can be sure that any abuse of this new wiretapping will be brought to the world's attention eventually if not immediately. It is a tool of war. It is not inherently evil, just as a rifle is not inherently evil. We are not crippling ourselves by banning our soldiers from using rifles now are we? Why should we do so with this?

    They get caught this time. What was their response. They wanted to remove the "checks" and shift the "balance". That is exactly my point the check and the balance is executed during the process of obtaining the warrant. If the FBI and NSA are allowed to wiretap you without warrant very soon we are going to find our self in same position.
    I don't defend Chinese government at all. On the other hand some of the Chinese people have proved that they value their freedom. Remember in 1990 how a single man stood a frond the tank and stopped it. We should learn something from him.
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    tpi2007 , July 1, 2009 6:00 PM
    SAL-eHave you ever faced a fully armed police backed with water cannons? From your comment I have the fuzzy feeling that you have seen them only on TV. They get caught this time. What was their response. They wanted to remove the "checks" and shift the "balance". That is exactly my point the check and the balance is executed during the process of obtaining the warrant. If the FBI and NSA are allowed to wiretap you without warrant very soon we are going to find our self in same position.I don't defend Chinese government at all. On the other hand some of the Chinese people have proved that they value their freedom. Remember in 1990 how a single man stood a frond the tank and stopped it. We should learn something from him.


    No society is perfect. At least you get to know somewhere in a democracy there was a "fully armed police backed with water cannons" confrontation with civilians.

    In China you'd be lucky if that information wasn't silenced the minute after it happened.

    You talk about Tiananmen square because you were and ARE FREE to see the reports on it. Chinese people in China get a special "Internet maintenance day" as a gift each year on the anniversary of the massacre, and special censorship the rest of the year too.
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    SAL-e , July 1, 2009 6:19 PM
    tpi2007No society is perfect. At least you get to know somewhere in a democracy there was a "fully armed police backed with water cannons" confrontation with civilians. In China you'd be lucky if that information wasn't silenced the minute after it happened. You talk about Tiananmen square because you were and ARE FREE to see the reports on it. Chinese people in China get a special "Internet maintenance day" as a gift each year on the anniversary of the massacre, and special censorship the rest of the year too.

    I have lived for many years under government just like Chinese government. And I am very sensitive on the subject. I've earned my freedom and I am not going to give it without fight. Yes, US is not perfect and I have seen good and bad. Right now US government and US society is moving in the direction of limiting our freedom. I don't like that and I will fight against it. The best away to help Chinese people is to show them by example that we are not giving our freedom and they will do the same. What really set me off was the first comment about communists. He has no idea what China and other formal communist societies are, but he was quick to put a label.
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    tpi2007 , July 1, 2009 6:44 PM
    SAL-eI have lived for many years under government just like Chinese government. And I am very sensitive on the subject. I've earned my freedom and I am not going to give it without fight. Yes, US is not perfect and I have seen good and bad. Right now US government and US society is moving in the direction of limiting our freedom. I don't like that and I will fight against it. The best away to help Chinese people is to show them by example that we are not giving our freedom and they will do the same. What really set me off was the first comment about communists. He has no idea what China and other formal communist societies are, but he was quick to put a label.


    China is a dictatorship. It's official, they say it themselves, albeit in a very 'unusual' way. They call it a "people's democratic dictatorship". It's on their Constitution, believe it or not. His label, although made in part to be ironically funny, is unfortunately correct.
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    eccentric909 , July 2, 2009 2:29 PM
    hemelskonijnThe greendam software was supposed to be distributed with every computer sold there is no law stating you have to use it and there is no obligation to any manufacture or retail store to pre-install the software.They only had to make sure any one who wanted to run it could run it.In a way this would not be to bad in a world driven on violence and porn this software might be the fabric softner for the internet.Lines are fading and as long as there is no law stating you have to use it i think its no better or worse the buying any OEM system here since they are loaded with crap any way.


    This guy/gal is right, at least for the time being. It is either to be pre-installed or offered on a disc, but you are allowed to disable it if you want.

    This may change down the road, who knows when it comes to the Chinese government.

    The problem I have with it, is that they are forcing manufacturers to bundle it with every new PC sold. Yes, PC manufacturers do pre-load their systems with bloat, but it is not required by the government as far as I know.

    Let's be honest here though, the governemnt is pushing it as "child protection", however the software filters out non-chinese government friendly web sites as well. But what the government in China is promoting and what they actually intend to do, often do not match up.

    And while the US Government, hell lets include any democratic or social democratic government in this statement, might do some shady actions, they do not go to the level that China does. While that is not an excuse, I'd still much rather live in the US, Canada, Japan or much of Europe over China. What is nice though is that the people of China, slowly over time, have been pushing back and forcing changes for the better. IMO, the chinese government is already grasping at straws and it won't be much longer until an actual revolution happens there. "Much longer" could be anywhere from a few years to 50 years as far as I can guess though.. I could be wrong of course, but hope I'm not. The sooner the better though, because as technology advances, the harder it'll be to actually revolt.

    We're way past the ball and musket stage when the US revolted, not that it was easy then. However, back then your goverment couldn't spy on you with satellites, phone taps and technology I don't even want to think about. /shudder
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    -unknown- , July 2, 2009 3:49 PM
    tpi2007China is a dictatorship. It's official, they say it themselves, albeit in a very 'unusual' way. They call it a "people's democratic dictatorship". It's on their Constitution, believe it or not. His label, although made in part to be ironically funny, is unfortunately correct.

    Except he said "communism" not "dictatorship", hence the label being incorrect.

    Well, I won't linger on this too long as it seems some people are extremely resistant to eliminating buzz words from their vocabulary but for the record, Communism and dictatorships are NOT the same thing. Yes, Communist leaders have been dictators but so have Capitalist leaders (and Capitalism has nothing to do with dictatorship either).

    Communism was meant to be a GOOD thing for the people, but like many good things that are promised to a population, once an individual gains power, they can abuse that power to oppress their population (which is what's happened the majority of the time).

    Communism/Communist has become such a buzz word that people use to denote a negative trait in someone or something which makes no sense. Its like calling someone an "environmentalist" because their car was stolen.
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    hemelskonijn , July 3, 2009 12:56 AM
    tpi2007 :

    Its called people's republic of china not dictatorship if i missed something please give me a reliable source but as far as i can find dictatorship is not named in their constitution