Global HDD Supply 70 Million Units Short in Q4 2011
The global supply for hard drives will fall 70 million units short of the 180 million needed in 4Q11.
Following a similar price hike initiated by Acer, PC manufacturers Asus and Dell are expected to increase the prices of notebooks slated to arrive in December by 2 to 3-percent thanks to the current shortage of hard drives. In 4Q11 alone, the global supply is expected to be 35-percent short of the overall demand for 180 million units, leaving only around 110 to 130 million units available worldwide.
Retail channels in Taiwan have already seen a 20 to 30-percent HDD price hike since the flooding shortages began back in October, and will reportedly see another 10-percent price increase in December. Vendors like HP, Acer, Asus and Dell will get first priority, leaving the secondary retail buyers fighting for what's left -- some of which are already hoarding hard drives in fear of a depleted global supply.
According to unnamed sources in Taiwan, several PC manufactures are actually optimistic about the hard drive supply in 1Q12, believing that the shortage will finally ease before the spring. Other manufacturers aren’t quite so positive, predicting that supply will begin to pick up in the second quarter of 2012. Either way, PC vendors will likely see increased hard drive costs throughout 2012, as the supply chain won't return to pre-Thailand flooding levels for another nine to twenty-four months.
Earlier this month Nidec, the Japan-based hard drive motor supplier which contributes to around 75-percent of the global HDD shipments, said that its Ayutthaya plants in Thailand had already resumed production. The company also announced that it was increasing production capacities in Philippine and China to help cover the impact from the floods. Nidec said it believed its efforts should help narrow down the HDD supply gap in 4Q11 despite the gloomy outlook.
But some companies and analysts are preparing for the worst. "We could run out of drives by the end of November," Piper Jaffray analyst Gus Richard said in an interview several weeks ago. "Availability is really going to tighten up. I'm seeing prices quoted anywhere from up 10 to up 60-percent. Nobody seems to be really paying attention. Everyone overreacted to the disaster in Japan. And now I think they're under-reacting."
Could the current hard drive shortage pave the way for solid state disks to take over as the primary storage medium? Unfortunately they cost more per gigabyte than mechanical drives despite offering better performance and reliability. But SSD retail prices are falling, and are expected to continue to drop once 3-bit flash arrives in 2012 and as the industry shifts over to 29 to 20-nm process technologies. Until then, mechanical hard drives will likely remain the primary storage device for some time to come.
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On an annual basis the world wants 720 million drives, so the shortage is less than 10% of a year's demand. So everyone delays their next disk purchase by a month, cleans up some unneeded files, and we are good.
thailand's flood disaster is really a sad situation. but this looks like a ploy to exploit that situation using scare tactics and grim predictions to raise hdd prices during holiday seasons.
You're thinking of it too narrowly. Where do 95% of hard drives go to? Not newegg. It goes to the OEM builders. Most PC consumers don't buy independent drives, the drives come with their new PC.
Here in Peru is really crazy: a Seagate Barracuda 7200.12 SATA III 1TB 6 Gb/s (ST31000524AS) was $72 before and now is $175.00 a 136% increase. =(
On an annual basis the world wants 720 million drives, so the shortage is less than 10% of a year's demand. So everyone delays their next disk purchase by a month, cleans up some unneeded files, and we are good.
10% lower but 100-200% higher prices...
We'll be peddling hard drives like they're illegal drugs.
thailand's flood disaster is really a sad situation. but this looks like a ploy to exploit that situation using scare tactics and grim predictions to raise hdd prices during holiday seasons.
*sigh* Why must they get the cheap hard drives compared to us? So what if they need it to keep the system prices low? They already bundle a bunch of bloatware, can't that help pay for it? If not, who'll notice a moderate increase in prices of those systems?
Here in Peru is really crazy: a Seagate Barracuda 7200.12 SATA III 1TB 6 Gb/s (ST31000524AS) was $72 before and now is $175.00 a 136% increase. =(
here in mexico is worst they where in 67-70 dollars and now they are in 200 bucks...or 250 for 1.5tb...but an external USB 2.0 1.5tb is 112 greens...i bought 1 removed the HDD put an old 250 inside and gifted to my girlfriend xD
On an annual basis the world wants 720 million drives, so the shortage is less than 10% of a year's demand. So everyone delays their next disk purchase by a month, cleans up some unneeded files, and we are good.
Your math is wrong. They were short 35% for just this quarter. They weren't short in the previous quarters this year because the factories were full steam (why you get 10% short). If we're short 35% another 3 quarters (which we will be according to estimates of when production will resume) then it means we'll be short 35% of a year's demand (4 quarters).
35% short isn't enough to justify the massive price increases though. The price increase is a result of the shortage in production being exacerbated by vendors hoarding supplies using their OEM status to muscle out newegg shoppers.
But still I'm wondering who the hell buys 700 million hard drives a year. I've bought 2 internal drives in the last 3 years.
here in mexico is worst they where in 67-70 dollars and now they are in 200 bucks...or 250 for 1.5tb...but an external USB 2.0 1.5tb is 112 greens...i bought 1 removed the HDD put an old 250 inside and gifted to my girlfriend xD
Here in America we don't tolerate that kind of crap... sir!
Here in America we don't tolerate that kind of crap... sir!
I think that kind of crap isn't tolerated anywhere...
I think that kind of crap isn't tolerated anywhere...
A lot of countries bend over for it. A lot of gadgets that are "cheap" in the US are insanely expensive elsewhere in the world (usually because of crazy high import taxes).
The drives arent cheap in the U.S. either, I got a 2 tb drive for 89 bucks a few months back, same drive 199 now, and now only seeing 320gig or smaller for 99 or more.
A lot of countries bend over for it. A lot of gadgets that are "cheap" in the US are insanely expensive elsewhere in the world (usually because of crazy high import taxes).
That's true...best example is south asia...
Wasn't so bad in India last month...problem i cant give you prices in dollars because the exchange rate has fallen (in the dollar's favour) since august...but yeah prices are up 100% across the board. A 1TB HDD would cost about Rs.2600...right now a 500GB drive costs anywhere b/w 5000 to 6000 rupees...
Thailand flooding for magnetic disks will end up being the same thing as huge meteor towards earth for Dinosaurs. I already sell SSDs for repaired laptops, because nowadays a 64GB module costs the same as a 160-250GB 2.5" HDD!
The tragic that no-one (mostly Seagate - WD) can't see, is that by giving high priorities on their permanent customers, the screw up the 2nd grade OEMs and distributors. And those distributors keep the remaining HDDs for their OEM PCs and screw the retail and small shops. So, before a couple of months, you could buy a 2TB disk for 60€+VAT, now the biggest distributors in my country sell 2TB disks for 125€+VAT, which is >100% increase in price! WTF!
Here in America we don't tolerate that kind of crap... sir!
What's the crap? Its plain & simple creativity.
In SA 500GB HDD would go for as little as R 339ex vat. Now it is at R 1095 ex vat.
I think HDD shortage will help SSDs come down in price, as there is now a need created for SSDs to be more then 256MB due to no large capacity HDDs available to use as secondary drives (or primary)
Its cheaper to buy an external HDD and put it in the PC. Externals have not gone up in price, i guess there is a lot of stock of externals left at retail stores.
only seagate got flood, wtf the other compagny do exploit that situation, i dont know the sale of seagate but i doubt they were on the top sale hdd, on the retailer side.
70 mil units, thats ALOT of proon!
And on a sidenote.. who many here believes the prices will drop as rapidly once the supply is up again. Bastards!
That's true...best example is south asia...Wasn't so bad in India last month...problem i cant give you prices in dollars because the exchange rate has fallen (in the dollar's favour) since august...but yeah prices are up 100% across the board. A 1TB HDD would cost about Rs.2600...right now a 500GB drive costs anywhere b/w 5000 to 6000 rupees...
That's right. I got my 500GB Seagate for Rs. 1950 in March, and now it costs Rs. 4900... so $40 vs. $100. JUST before the prices went up I was thinking of a second HDD for RAID just for the hell of it, but now I'd rather spend that kind of money on a nice SSD.
20%-30% price hike ?
i saw 2 x - 3 x price increase
thailand's flood disaster is really a sad situation. but this looks like a ploy to exploit that situation using scare tactics and grim predictions to raise hdd prices during holiday seasons.
It's simple economics, what are people willing to pay for a hard drive? If there are less available and you keep the same prices, you will lose money. That money has to go for food on the table of the workers too.
They are not ploys, if i have 5 Hard drives this week, and 5 people want them, and i sell them for $40 i'll make $200, but if i only have 1 hard drive next week and 5 people want them, that hard drive will go to whoever wants to pay the highest bid for it. like an auction, If that $200 is my weekly income and i am only able to make 1 hard drive, i need to do whatever it takes to survive. and Raising prices, i will.
On an annual basis the world wants 720 million drives, so the shortage is less than 10% of a year's demand. So everyone delays their next disk purchase by a month, cleans up some unneeded files, and we are good.
however, it's more accurate to look at quarterly supply than mix and match time series data. And if it keeps up, it could spill over into the new quarter too. this one is almost done.
And since it's 180 million hard drives made in one quarter, 72 million short means that's an entire 40% that's almost half the industry!!!
That's right. I got my 500GB Seagate for Rs. 1950 in March, and now it costs Rs. 4900... so $40 vs. $100. JUST before the prices went up I was thinking of a second HDD
+1
I don't know where you get you 20-30% numbers. Maybe as an industry average? Cause anywhere where we, your readers, can buy hard drives, is selling them at 200-300% the price of a few months ago. Which is ridiculous. Who's gonna buy at that price? I guess the market takes advantage of people who don't know better...
There goes my home NAS build for 6 months or so.
Lol @ Seagate raising their prices when they are not even in the affected areas.
10% lower but 100-200% higher prices...
This is how monopoly works. Just wish that SSD or other storage techonology catch up fast enough.
And on a sidenote.. who many here believes the prices will drop as rapidly once the supply is up again. Bastards!
I actually do think they will. By the time production resumes to full throttle, SSDs will already be 8 months more advanced and significantly cheaper. So there's going to be strong competition from SSDs driving the price down.