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Report: Intel Having USB 3.0 Problems with Haswell

By - Source: Hardware.info | B 35 comments

Manufacturers supposedly must acknowledge certain issues with the Haswell platform before Intel ships them processors.

There's a report from Hardware.Info that claims Intel is having issues with USB 3.0 implementation in upcoming products based on fourth-generation Intel Core "Haswell" processors. This report stems from a "reliable source" who got his hands on an internal document sent to one of Intel's partners detailing the Haswell-based issue.

According to the supposed document, when a Haswell-based system wakes from an S3 sleep mode, users will experience issues if a device is plugged into one of the USB 3.0 ports. These "issues" include blank pages displayed in Acrobat Reader PDFs, video that stops rather than resumes, and more. A quick fix is to restart the troubled application without having to reboot the entire system.

That said, the USB 3.0 problems are only described as a "nuisance" to consumers, and won't result in major data loss or the start of Armageddon. Intel even supposedly states that it won't have any impact on the release of Haswell-based CPUs, and will likely be resolved in future processor stepping. The letter also requests that manufacturers acknowledge the issues before Intel will supply the Haswell processors.

Naturally Intel won't comment on rumors about future products. "I can tell you that Intel remains on track for the first 4th generation Intel Core processors to come to market starting in mid-2013," a company spokesperson told Hardware.Info.

The Haswell processor family is part of Intel's "tick tock" design process where it launches a new processor design in one year, and then shrinks it to a smaller process size in the following year. Haswell offers design tweaks made to the Ivy Bridge architecture which is essentially a process-shrunk revision of Sandy Bridge. New features introduced in Haswell include HNI instruction set architecture extensions, a high-performance L4 cache layer, models with a 10W TDP and more.

The Lynx Point chipset designed to accompany the Haswell processors comes packed with integrated USB 3.0 support for six individual ports, six on-board SATA 3 (6 Gb/s) ports and more. Unnamed industry sources claimed last year that both a weakening desktop market demand and Intel's Haswell family will cause several second-tier motherboard manufacturers to exit the market in late 2013 due to the integrated functions. That's because features like USB 3.0 help motherboard makers differentiate themselves from rivals.

 

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    anort3 , March 2, 2013 3:17 AM
    I learned my lesson about adopting early with the P67 chipset fun. Won't make that mistake again.
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    greghome , March 2, 2013 5:29 AM
    ankit0x110 billions in R&D and you get this


    More than 100 billion + Annual military budget and it took 10 years to beat Osama in Hide and Seeks :p 



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    Yuka , March 2, 2013 5:23 AM
    Sounds like a cheap shot at killing USB3 in favor of EXPENSIVEBOLT from Intel and friends.

    Cheers! :p 
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    nebun , March 2, 2013 3:04 AM
    this is adobe we are talking about....lol
  • 24 Hide
    anort3 , March 2, 2013 3:17 AM
    I learned my lesson about adopting early with the P67 chipset fun. Won't make that mistake again.
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    InTELigentleMAN , March 2, 2013 3:18 AM
    Sounds like mach ado about nothing. I'll restart acrobat out of a full sleep state and not worry about it... if I have a USB 3 device attached. Maybe this is the time to jump to Thunderbolt. Who knows!
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    lp231 , March 2, 2013 3:23 AM
    Which USB 3 are we talking about? Is it Intel ones that's affected, or all of them like Renesas?
    If it's just Intel's why can't Intel just disable them and let mobo makers use 3rd party USB 3 chipsets instead.
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    TheBigTroll , March 2, 2013 3:27 AM
    im sure if there is a problem, intel should be rather quick to fix it. just dont pull off one of those p67 chipset fiascos
  • 15 Hide
    redeemer , March 2, 2013 3:30 AM
    early adopters be careful!
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    bison88 , March 2, 2013 3:47 AM
    Damn. Intel had this same issue with the SATA controller on Sandy Bridge. Really hope they get this resolved or MOBO manufacturers find a fix. Not many will be happy putting off a build they've been waiting on for a year just for the next stepping.
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    InvalidError , March 2, 2013 4:04 AM
    Sounds more like a driver problem than hardware to me: as long as the link-layer hardware does not get stuck in a failure mode when coming back from standby, the driver can be rewritten to issue a reset to the controller (get it unstuck) upon resume and hide it from applications/OS.
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    Nintendo Maniac 64 , March 2, 2013 4:41 AM
    I guess this is one benefit of AMD using an older chipset - it's proven technology.
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    PreferLinux , March 2, 2013 4:48 AM
    Fake, if you ask me. That comment by a supposed Intel rep is totally unlike any I've ever heard of before. Nor can I comprehend how it could only affect certain applications in that sort of way.
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    stevenrix , March 2, 2013 5:10 AM
    Got only problems with Intel since P67 introduction and buggy CPU's with 2600K all the way to Sandy Bridge (loss of data and degraded performance with the chipsets), maybe this is why they introduce a new socket every 2 years, they can't fix their bugs once it entered production phase.

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    Yuka , March 2, 2013 5:23 AM
    Sounds like a cheap shot at killing USB3 in favor of EXPENSIVEBOLT from Intel and friends.

    Cheers! :p 
  • 17 Hide
    greghome , March 2, 2013 5:29 AM
    ankit0x110 billions in R&D and you get this


    More than 100 billion + Annual military budget and it took 10 years to beat Osama in Hide and Seeks :p 



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    samwelaye , March 2, 2013 5:32 AM
    stevenrixGot only problems with Intel since P67 introduction and buggy CPU's with 2600K all the way to Sandy Bridge (loss of data and degraded performance with the chipsets), maybe this is why they introduce a new socket every 2 years, they can't fix their bugs once it entered production phase.


    huh? this happened one time, was issued an immediate recall, was fixed, and hasnt seen the light of day since the first month or so that sandy bridge was out...
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    JAYDEEJOHN , March 2, 2013 5:52 AM
    Its not like this is armagaedon- Barrack Obama
    I say we sequestor em ;) 
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    JOSHSKORN , March 2, 2013 5:54 AM
    So...skip Haswell and go straight to Broadwell?
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    revo_ever_guys , March 2, 2013 6:07 AM
    Just wait till another stepping fix this fiasco... :D 
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    Pyree , March 2, 2013 6:57 AM
    If all Pentium CPUs (before the name Pentium is reused by Intel) are 1 generation, then you have to disregard the changes in architecture and die shrink in between, and by that convention, the Core "i something" will all be 3rd gen (Nehalem, Sandy and Haswell are all named Core "i something"). What about the ones before Pentium (e.g. 4004, 8080, 80386, etc)? So surely Pentium is not 1st gen.

    Core series (yes, that should include the Core Duo, Core 2 Duo, etc before the Core i series), and 4th gen makes perfect sense.

    1. Core (Conroe>Wolfdale/Kentsfield>Yorkfield)
    2. Nehalem (Nehalem>Westmere)
    3. Sandy Bridge (Sandy Bridge>Ivy Bridge)
    4. Haswell (Haswell>Broadwell)

    But well, now it is more common to start counting with Core "i something" and looks like:

    1. Nehalem (Nehalem>Westmere)
    2. Sandy Bridge
    3. Ivy Bridge
    4. Haswell

    To avoid unnecessary confusion, just stick with what people use and call it the 4th gen.

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    IndignantSkeptic , March 2, 2013 9:23 AM
    I can't stand all this stupid naming. Just use numbers FFS! Numbers exist for a reason! Learn it!
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