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Samsung Claims Apple Didn't Invent Pinch-to-Zoom

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Samsung challenges iOS patents with tech from far back as 2001.

As the courtroom battle between Samsung and Apple to entered its final rounds, Samsung mounted an attack on Apple by arguing several iOS UI features being contested were developed long before the iPhone came along.

According to Apple's argument, the 2007 iPhone was the first to introduce features such as the pinch-to-zoom and double tap to enlarge gestures.

Yesterday, Samsung showed the jury several examples detailing the exact same functions long before the iPhone. The earliest of which, was the DiamondTouch device developed a whopping six years before the iPhone was revealed.

Developed in 2001 from the Mitsubishi Electronic Research Laboratory (MERL), the device is still available in the lounge for anybody to use. Samsung showed the court a DiamondTouch feature called Fractal Zoom, which allowed users to zoom in and out of photos using multiple finger gestures.

DiamondTouch


In addition, Samsung even revealed Apple's staff was given a demonstration of the DiamondTouch device back in 2003. Although Samsung's arguments focused on the fact that Apple saw the DiamondTouch before patenting and creating the pinch-to-zoom feature, further cross examination revealed many of the DiamondTouch features came in later on in the life of the device.

Hoping to challenge another one of Apple's patents in question, Samsung brought up the LaunchTile system created by Benjamin Bederson. Developed in 2004, the system was a tile-based UI for mobile devices that allowed users to navigate through tiles by swiping back and forth. Demonstrated on an HP iPAQ , swiping back and forth between screens showed a "snap-back" feature, where the screen snaps back into place if a certain threshold isn't reached. Samsung argues this effect is identical to Apple's patented "bounce-back" feature.

Challenging Apple's patents certainly won't be enough to win the trial, but if Samsung is able to have the jury's question Apple's originality to a few of the features it's accusing Samsung of copying, perhaps the company can swing the verdict in their favor.

 

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    house70 , August 20, 2012 11:27 AM
    "Samsung Claims Apple Didn't Invent Pinch-to-Zoom"

    Shouldn't the title say "Samsung PROVES Apple Didn't Invent Pinch-To-Zoom" ? After all, prior art was demonstrated here with a working device, no less. If that is not proof, IDK what is.
    Same goes for all the other "patents" in question, including the infamous square with round edges.
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    kartu , August 20, 2012 12:24 PM
    Didn't Tom Cruise use gestures to zoom in Minority Report (2002)?
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    marcolorenzo , August 20, 2012 11:21 AM
    Whoever came up with the idea of putting one foot in front of the other in order to walk should have patented that. They'd be making a killing now.
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    tomfreak , August 20, 2012 10:14 AM
    Samsung do urself a favor, pull the plug from supplying parts to Apple, or just make it last only 1 year, since thats all required cover by warranty.

    it would be funny to see all iphone fail right after warranty lol.
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    greghome , August 20, 2012 10:23 AM
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    Samsung do urself a favor, pull the plug from supplying parts to Apple, or just make it last only 1 year, since thats all required cover by warranty.

    it would be funny to see all iphone fail right after warranty lol.


    Here's the thing, It might be a trap

    As soon as Samsung stops supplying parts to Apple, Apple would have a strong enough case against them.
    Apple could sue them for being anti-competitive
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    olaf , August 20, 2012 10:25 AM
    there's just to much money in that for both sides, if Samsung drops Apple as a customer it will only create a temporary problem for Apple till he gets a new supplier, maybe even Intel since the two company's work together in there Mac business, even if Samsung loses i think they can still cover that loss by supplying apple. Also there is no news that some of the iPhone features are not original, its just the fact that Apple put them together with the greatest bang and fanfare and made the first high profile smartphone, that worked as intended.
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    pharoahhalfdead , August 20, 2012 10:44 AM
    TomfreakSamsung do urself a favor, pull the plug from supplying parts to Apple, or just make it last only 1 year, since thats all required cover by warranty.it would be funny to see all iphone fail right after warranty lol.


    No, then all the customers get screwed. As much as I dislike apple's tactics, I hate seeing people ripped off bcuz of third rate quality. Most people work to hard for their money to toss $500 down the drain.

    Now, if we're talking about Bieber's cd's automatically becoming unreadable and unplayable after a year, that's something I'll give two thumbs up :-)
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    master_chen , August 20, 2012 11:15 AM
    I lol'd. Looks like fapple really going to get it this time...
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    bawss , August 20, 2012 11:16 AM
    olafthere's just to much money in that for both sides, if Samsung drops Apple as a customer it will only create a temporary problem for Apple till he gets a new supplier, maybe even Intel since the two company's work together in there Mac business, even if Samsung loses i think they can still cover that loss by supplying apple. Also there is no news that some of the iPhone features are not original, its just the fact that Apple put them together with the greatest bang and fanfare and made the first high profile smartphone, that worked as intended.


    Intel is not going to make it for them.
    Intel actually wanted to take Apple down.
    That's why Microsoft is making those WP8 tablets.
    I remember the news from some months ago that Microsoft and Intel are working together to take Apple down.
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    Pinhedd , August 20, 2012 11:17 AM
    TomfreakSamsung do urself a favor, pull the plug from supplying parts to Apple, or just make it last only 1 year, since thats all required cover by warranty.it would be funny to see all iphone fail right after warranty lol.


    The courts really don't like it when companies decide not to sell their products to a company that's competing with them, and shareholders really don't like it when their company decides to sacrifice billions of dollars in revenue.
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    marcolorenzo , August 20, 2012 11:21 AM
    Whoever came up with the idea of putting one foot in front of the other in order to walk should have patented that. They'd be making a killing now.
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    Pinhedd , August 20, 2012 11:22 AM
    marcolorenzoWhoever came up with the idea of putting one foot in front of the other in order to walk should have patented that. They'd be making a killing now.


    I think that patent would have expired several hundred thousand years ago
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    house70 , August 20, 2012 11:27 AM
    "Samsung Claims Apple Didn't Invent Pinch-to-Zoom"

    Shouldn't the title say "Samsung PROVES Apple Didn't Invent Pinch-To-Zoom" ? After all, prior art was demonstrated here with a working device, no less. If that is not proof, IDK what is.
    Same goes for all the other "patents" in question, including the infamous square with round edges.
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    rantoc , August 20, 2012 11:40 AM
    house70"Samsung Claims Apple Didn't Invent Pinch-to-Zoom"Shouldn't the title say "Samsung PROVES Apple Didn't Invent Pinch-To-Zoom" ? After all, prior art was demonstrated here with a working device, no less. If that is not proof, IDK what is. Same goes for all the other "patents" in question, including the infamous square with round edges.


    The fanboyism of the Toms writers is strong, hard to find unbiased articles nowadays.
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    gruffmeister , August 20, 2012 11:41 AM
    How can Apple claim they "invented" pinch to zoom? By their own admission and marketing material they claim to have created a product that is natural to use. By inference this means pinch to zoom is natural and so not invented....and like walking, cannot be patented.

    From bawss: "I remember the news from some months ago that Microsoft and Intel are working together to take Apple down." - it seems as though Microsoft has successfully passed the "bring them down" tag to Apple. Impressive.
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    tomfreak , August 20, 2012 11:46 AM
    Or just increase the part cost to steal additional profit(which shareholder from Samsung say no?), I honestly dont think Apple really deserve that kind of "love" from Samsung.

    As for Intel, there is no reason Intel want Apple, Intel want a bigger market x86 + W8 is their way to enter smart phone market.
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    Pinhedd , August 20, 2012 11:51 AM
    TomfreakOr just increase the part cost to steal additional profit(which shareholder from Samsung say no?), I honestly dont think Apple really deserve that kind of "love" from Samsung. As for Intel, there is no reason Intel want Apple, Intel want a bigger market x86 + W8 is their way to enter smart phone market.


    Right now they're under contract to produce the chips, they can't just arbitrarily raise the price. The contract probably contains clauses for future price ramping which prevents Samsung from gouging Apple on renegotiation when the current contract expires.

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    g00fysmiley , August 20, 2012 11:59 AM
    pharoahhalfdeadNo, then all the customers get screwed. As much as I dislike apple's tactics, I hate seeing people ripped off bcuz of third rate quality. Most people work to hard for their money to toss $500 down the drain. Now, if we're talking about Bieber's cd's automatically becoming unreadable and unplayable after a year, that's something I'll give two thumbs up :-)


    they are apple sheeple they hardly count amount the human race anymore... they exist in coffee shops and thrift stores tying to hbe hip and trendy so if they have to buy a new phoen really we are just making sure the twill coat market doesn't get oversaturated. samsung could always sell replacement parts on the aftermarket as a screen that happens to be compatable with the iphone but to be fair most the isheep only know its broke get5 another one and it isn't apples fault thier terrible phoen broke it was tier own transgressions of bumping the phone to hard and breaking both panes of glass
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    tomfreak , August 20, 2012 12:17 PM
    exactly, 1 year is all the needed for the hardware to last. Thats what 1 year warranty for, but thats a very dauchebag move for Samsung. I still think Samsung should start ripping Apple off after the contract expires, overprice parts for iphone 5 maybe?
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    jeffunit , August 20, 2012 12:24 PM
    Challenging Apple's patents certainly won't be enough to win the trial

    This is true, but successfully challenging apple's patents will be enough to win this patent infringement trial.
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    kartu , August 20, 2012 12:24 PM
    Didn't Tom Cruise use gestures to zoom in Minority Report (2002)?
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    neon neophyte , August 20, 2012 12:35 PM
    nothing in that video showed pinch to zoom. it show multi touch and windows resizing by pinching but no pinch to zoom.
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    Aoyagi , August 20, 2012 12:44 PM
    Of course they didn't invent it. They bought someone who invented it, like they usually do.
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