Intel's 50Gbps Thunderbolt Successor by 2015
Intel is already working on a Thunderbolt successor.
Intel is reportedly working on a new interconnect technology capable of pushing data between computers five times faster than its just-launched Thunderbolt technology. Slated to arrive in 2015, it will be based on silicon photonics which combines silicon components and optical networking.
Wednesday during a press event in New York, Jeff Demain, strategy director of circuits and system research at Intel Labs, said the new tech will provide speeds of up to 50 gigabits per second over distances of up to 100 meters, whether it's a connection between PCs or between external drives, smartphones and tablets.
He also indicated that the new tech will also cost less to build because the components will be created using existing silicon manufacturing techniques. "We have to use the silicon manufacturing technologies we know," Demain said. "That's what the promise of the technology is. It is based on a silicon foundation."
Furthermore, Intel expects the new tech to help propel the successors of 1080p into consumer living rooms. As it stands now, image resolutions are slated to quadruple by the middle of the year, requiring a larger pipeline to push the massive loads of video data from set-top boxes and other devices to HDTVs. 50 gigabits per second should handle that kind of virtual haul.
During the presentation, Demain showed mock-up cables that will supposedly carry the data. Based on the current design, these will actually be thinner than cables currently used for USB 3.0 and Thunderbolt. The new tech will also follow Thunderbolt's lead and support both DisplayPort and PCI-Express protocols as well as other unnamed protocols.
After showcasing the cables, Demain also revealed working prototypes of the silicon chips that will be used to transmit and send the laser signals. These chips will eventually be merged together and reduced in size to fit within smartphones and tablets.
As Thunderbolt exists with USB, the new tech should exist side-by-side with Thunderbolt in some devices. "We see them as complementary. It's the evolution of these connectors and protocols as they move forward," Demain said. "Thunderbolt is more than a cable. It's a router chip that aggregates DisplayPort and PCI-Express."
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"Intel expects the new tech to help propel the successors of 1080p into consumer living rooms. As it stands now, image resolutions are slated to quadruple by the middle of the year"
Which tv's are going to have a resolution of ~5800x3300 by mid of the year?
"Intel expects the new tech to help propel the successors of 1080p into consumer living rooms. As it stands now, image resolutions are slated to quadruple by the middle of the year"Which tv's are going to have a resolution of ~5800x3300 by mid of the year?
well considering that we have the Canon 5D and 7D cameras, it isn't impossible, however probably unlikely this year or next.
as far as the Thunderbolt, well that's good news for those Apple Fanboys, they will get to use the tech a year after its released w/ the new line of Mac's!
They are talking about short distances like in your home... That's all fine and dandy but ISP's can't go anywhere near that speed.
My ISP Connection:
6 mbps
This Technology:
50,000 mbps
I guess I just fail to see the need for this technology.
OK, so you've got a new 4320p HDTV I don't think blue ray can do more than 1080p so a new player would need to be released and perhaps you could connect a PC or tablet to a computer for an insanely HD picture but as I said.. I fail to see a need for it and for TV's that are even HIGHER definition. I'm fine with my 1080p.
Oh great, all those people who bought all the thunderbolt hardware are going to have to upgrade to this new technology or be left behind.
Oh, wait... No one bought into the thunderbolt technology to begin with...
i would want more performance out of my 40in tv 2X resolution 4X the native refresh rate infinite contrast .01ms response time for just 2D picture. so that would be 3840x2160 240 new frames a seconds and near instant response i do not know if that requires 50 gigabytes a second i doubt it lol
I'm guessing this is the "Light" that they intended the original Light Peak to have?
coming to a screen near you soon (ok - maybe 10+ years)
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I thought they already had this, then couldn't make it work so they swapped out the optics for copper and gave us Thunderbolt. I guess it saves R&D money if you can just continually announce the same technology.
At 2015, Intel rep:
Well, we find it too expensive to make a 50Gbps fiber link. Here is our new product that bundles 5 thunderbolt cables...
even better info about Super Hi-Def
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b7G [...] re=related
does intel even have usb3 yet?
2015? BS!
"Intel expects the new tech to help propel the successors of 1080p into consumer living rooms. As it stands now, image resolutions are slated to quadruple by the middle of the year"Which tv's are going to have a resolution of ~5800x3300 by mid of the year?
Which GPUs are going to support that resolution, is what I'd like to know. Actually, I guess it wouldn't be so bad as long as you didnt plan on doing any gaming whatsoever at that resolution...
Agent K: "Guess I'll have to buy the white album again."
Blue ray is already just slowly starting to get a bit more foothold, they want to usurp it already? Sheeeeesh.
well considering that we have the Canon 5D and 7D cameras, it isn't impossible, however probably unlikely this year or next.as far as the Thunderbolt, well that's good news for those Apple Fanboys, they will get to use the tech a year after its released w/ the new line of Mac's!
I'm pretty sure he meant to say decade and not year. So, by 2015 when the newer Thunderbolt tech comes. Personally, I'll believe it when I see it.
Sorry, clicked on the wrong quote thingy. I meant to reply to woffle's comment.
"Intel expects the new tech to help propel the successors of 1080p into consumer living rooms. As it stands now, image resolutions are slated to quadruple by the middle of the year"Which tv's are going to have a resolution of ~5800x3300 by mid of the year?
Dude, check your math. 5800x3300 isn't 4x 1080p, in fact I'm not even sure how you got those dimensions. I thought you may have just multiplied 1920 and 1080 by 4, but that still doesn't add up... lol. But in any case, 5800x3300 (19 megapixels!) is much more then 4x the current HD standard. 4x 1080p would be somewhere around 3840x2160, or around 8.3 megapixels. I guess the fact that no one caught this before me isn't really a good sign...
"Intel expects the new tech to help propel the successors of 1080p into consumer living rooms. As it stands now, image resolutions are slated to quadruple by the middle of the year"Which tv's are going to have a resolution of ~5800x3300 by mid of the year?
1920x1080 = 2073600 pixels = 2.07 megapixels
2073600x4 = 8294400 pixels = 8.29 megapixels
Therefor, a new TV with 4000x2100 resolution = 8.4 megapixels, this is equivalent to 4x resolution increase.
5800x3300 = 19140000 pixels = 19.14 megapixels = nearly 10x increase.
Considering that Panasonic has a few TVs at 4000x2000, I think quadrupling 1080p is a viable option sometime this year.
Dude, check your math. 5800x3300 isn't 4x 1080p, in fact I'm not even sure how you got those dimensions. I thought you may have just multiplied 1920 and 1080 by 4, but that still doesn't add up... lol. But in any case, 5800x3300 (19 megapixels!) is much more then 4x the current HD standard. 4x 1080p would be somewhere around 3840x2160, or around 8.3 megapixels. I guess the fact that no one caught this before me isn't really a good sign...
And bugger, I'm beat by a minute...
Oh great, all those people who bought all the thunderbolt hardware are going to have to upgrade to this new technology or be left behind.Oh, wait... No one bought into the thunderbolt technology to begin with...
... it literally just became commercially available, and Apple has already adopted it for their Mac Pro lineup. Don't you think it's just a bit early to cry fail?
And bugger, I'm beat by a minute...
lol...well, in any case you have the right idea.
Quadruple resolutions more likely refers to doubling both the vertical and horizontal resolutions of current televisions, which results in four times as many total pixels. So we'd be looking at 3840x2160, not that far off from the 2560x1600 monitors and televisions that already exist.
But then again, how many people own a 2560x1600 monitor? They've been around for several years, but are too expensive for most people to consider. Any new television format is probably going to require nearly another decade for substantial adoption.
Faster connections are always welcome, however, and people will inevitably find a use for the extra bandwidth. As long as it doesn't cost an arm and a leg, I say the sky's the limit.
Edit: These comments move fast! Guess others beat me to the punch on the quadruple resolution topic.
I'm more concerned about it being "Intel" branded. Make it an open standard so anyone can use it inside their products and It'll catch on, lock it down with complicated and restricted licensing models and it won't catch. For all we know Intel will only allow it to be put on "Intel" chipped PC's and thus attempt to lock out competition. If they allow anyone to equip their system with it, then my dream of an interconnected house with a mainframe style computer might be reality soon.
They are talking about short distances like in your home... That's all fine and dandy but ISP's can't go anywhere near that speed.My ISP Connection:6 mbpsThis Technology:50,000 mbpsI guess I just fail to see the need for this technology.OK, so you've got a new 4320p HDTV I don't think blue ray can do more than 1080p so a new player would need to be released and perhaps you could connect a PC or tablet to a computer for an insanely HD picture but as I said.. I fail to see a need for it and for TV's that are even HIGHER definition. I'm fine with my 1080p.
While you have a good point as far as the need for a higher definiton is concerned..(its true the human eye can only see such high video quality to a certain point before it all looks the same), the need for faster internet speeds is DEFINITELY needed. 50gbps silicon photonics could definitely increase bandwidth in the U.S., seeing one of the big problems as to why the U.S. standards for internet speed is so low is because fiber optic lines are expensive to make. Cheap alternatives like this will make things much easier to access and although 100m isn't very far, even the use of repeaters could still render these cables to be very fast; and im sure over time the maximum distance for the cables will lengthen out.
Isn't this what Thunderbolt (Light Peak) was supposed to be? I mean everybody was always talking about how Thunderbolt would be fiber optic and silicon photonics based and now we'll have to wait until 2015 to get what Thunderbolt was supposed to be. With that said it's not a big deal, because HDMI and DVI can still handle 1080p just fine, and Display Port handles 2500x1600 just fine as is, so it's not like we are in dire need of more bandwidth currently.
Light can cross galaxy's and maintain it's original form (more or less). Crossing a few hundred miles isn't hard to do. Single mode fiber has no known maximum length, neither do the transceivers attached to the fiber. You could just as easily make this work at 100 miles are you could at 10 feet. That being said, the fiber must be of a high enough quality that it doesn't introduce errors. It they try to use multi-mode fiber for this then you'll get vastly limited length.
In short, if they can develop an optic capable of sending / receiving at 50Gbps, then it can send / receive at 10, 100, 1000, or 100,000 feet.
Thats not good enough.
I want speed in the TeraBytes's range... In fact I want so much speed it will melt my Olympus digital camera when I transfer 8 gigs of baby pictures in less than .01 ms...........
People should learn math. Tripling a resolution means tripling the total number of pixels on a screen, not tripling the number of rows and columns of pixels.
So, tripling a 1920 x 1080 resolution would give you something in the neighborhood of 3326 x 1871, assuming 16:9 aspect ratios. This seems like a natural progression, given there are 27" monitors being sold with a resolution of 2560 x 1440 currently, but as others have mentioned, there is 0 likelihood the display manufacturers will get that kind of pixel density by mid year.
That could be pretty cool if there were tv's with higher than 1080p resolutions...
That could be pretty cool if there were tv's with higher than 1080p resolutions...
well considering that we have the Canon 5D and 7D cameras, it isn't impossible, however probably unlikely this year or next.as far as the Thunderbolt, well that's good news for those Apple Fanboys, they will get to use the tech a year after its released w/ the new line of Mac's!
it's too bad 3D is being thrown at consumers. people want higher resolution not stupid glasses or crossed eyes. Maggic eye for your tv....
Personally, I think this is a PR facade. If they wanted faster connections, they could easily do it. After reading all of the news releases in the past and now, they are slowly increasing the speed of the connections so consumers have to buy and then re-buy more components. Simple yet effective!